Szczuku Posted March 8, 2024 Share Posted March 8, 2024 I feel like the in-universe importance of the Alter awakening is severely underutilized and the fact that now you can spend less time in the one thing that it offers - the moonstorm, is not helping with this problem. I feel like the first time around the 3x captured static should remain the crafting recipe for the siphonator. Make it easier for the future CC fights, sure; but keep the first fight more time-consuming to get to (I've only seen the beta footage so Idk if that isn't the case already) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/154731-the-lunar-siphonators-crafting-recipe-should-be-reverted-for-the-first-moonstrom/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
grm9 Posted March 8, 2024 Share Posted March 8, 2024 bird minigame is just obnoxious and wagstaff sometimes spawns the static on top of a spider den or a spring beefalo herd so don't do that Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/154731-the-lunar-siphonators-crafting-recipe-should-be-reverted-for-the-first-moonstrom/#findComment-1703133 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hornete Posted March 8, 2024 Share Posted March 8, 2024 I actually would like this! I've grinded the moonstorm a lot so this was a long time coming for me to ease up on shard farming. But I do think the past cost was perfectly time consuming as a first time event and get players ingrained into the world and event. I fear the new changes might make the experience too short at first for new comers! Then again gleams weren't changed and those do still take quite some time to gather (Solo, anyways) Spoiler Anywhos, tangentially related. Glad my stockpile of 300 statics value was increased by 300%, muahahahahha Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/154731-the-lunar-siphonators-crafting-recipe-should-be-reverted-for-the-first-moonstrom/#findComment-1703151 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADM Posted March 8, 2024 Share Posted March 8, 2024 I thought it was what they did initially. Trivializing the Moonstorm this much the first time isn't important, only later I can agree. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/154731-the-lunar-siphonators-crafting-recipe-should-be-reverted-for-the-first-moonstrom/#findComment-1703184 Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Variant Posted March 8, 2024 Share Posted March 8, 2024 I agree, I've always wanted the costs to be lowered after the first time through. Like you're learning from experience and know how to build it better the next time around! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/154731-the-lunar-siphonators-crafting-recipe-should-be-reverted-for-the-first-moonstrom/#findComment-1703189 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowlVoid Posted March 8, 2024 Share Posted March 8, 2024 Nah, doing it three times doesn't add anything imo. Most of the people saying it's fine is people I know for a fact play with friends. The experience has always been so frustrating solo. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/154731-the-lunar-siphonators-crafting-recipe-should-be-reverted-for-the-first-moonstrom/#findComment-1703195 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Szczuku Posted March 8, 2024 Author Share Posted March 8, 2024 9 minutes ago, HowlVoid said: Nah, doing it three times doesn't add anything imo. Most of the people saying it's fine is people I know for a fact play with friends. The experience has always been so frustrating solo. Wrong opinion, sorry Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/154731-the-lunar-siphonators-crafting-recipe-should-be-reverted-for-the-first-moonstrom/#findComment-1703200 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowlVoid Posted March 8, 2024 Share Posted March 8, 2024 40 minutes ago, Szczuku said: Wrong opinion, sorry I used my all my skill point on the "good opinions" branch of my skill tree, sorry but that's just not possible. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/154731-the-lunar-siphonators-crafting-recipe-should-be-reverted-for-the-first-moonstrom/#findComment-1703218 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Starver Posted March 8, 2024 Share Posted March 8, 2024 9 minutes ago, HowlVoid said: I used my all my skill point on the "good opinions" branch of my skill tree, sorry but that's just not possible. I used 'em on the "complete irrelevancy" branch. I am now master of irrelevancy!! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/154731-the-lunar-siphonators-crafting-recipe-should-be-reverted-for-the-first-moonstrom/#findComment-1703221 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Szczuku Posted March 8, 2024 Author Share Posted March 8, 2024 32 minutes ago, HowlVoid said: I used my all my skill point on the "good opinions" branch of my skill tree, sorry but that's just not possible. Nuh uh. I play solo and think that the previous moonstorm is fine, for the first time per playthrough. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/154731-the-lunar-siphonators-crafting-recipe-should-be-reverted-for-the-first-moonstrom/#findComment-1703232 Share on other sites More sharing options...
StankyTheKlown Posted March 8, 2024 Share Posted March 8, 2024 I play solo and never had any issues with the moonstorm event? Even when I played on console it was not that bad. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/154731-the-lunar-siphonators-crafting-recipe-should-be-reverted-for-the-first-moonstrom/#findComment-1703235 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty_Mentos Posted March 8, 2024 Share Posted March 8, 2024 I will survive without needing that reverted even if it's for the first storm. Three of those minigames is too much of a drag to want to grind. I'd be okay I guess if it's one time thing and only cheaper ones there on, but meeeeeeeeeeeh. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/154731-the-lunar-siphonators-crafting-recipe-should-be-reverted-for-the-first-moonstrom/#findComment-1703246 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohan Posted March 8, 2024 Share Posted March 8, 2024 Can u get all 8 pieces of scrap from the junkpiles without fighting the werepig? Or did the CC questline just get two bosses added to it out of nowhere lol. I prefer 3 statics over this tbh. Statics r the easy and fast part in my experience. Its the waiting around for gleams and shards that just takes forever and that wasnt changed. come to think of it i really dont see how this is an improvement in any way. When repeating the fight, Instead of doing 2 extra statics while ur getting gleams and shards anyway, now u have to wait for wagstaff to appear and find his junk or fight cyborg werepig and this also means u have to sacrifice getting warbis/warbis repair to do CC… what the hell lol am i missing something? statics become especially easy when repeating CC after u get BS gear… Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/154731-the-lunar-siphonators-crafting-recipe-should-be-reverted-for-the-first-moonstrom/#findComment-1703247 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxil20 Posted March 8, 2024 Share Posted March 8, 2024 7 minutes ago, Ohan said: Can u get all 8 pieces of scrap from the junkpiles without fighting the werepig? Why would you not want to “fight” the werepig for scrap? Unless you are super strapped for time, you can easily get dozens per day from baiting the werepig’s attack. It’s much better then needing to wait around for the 3 statics, and is far less time consuming. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/154731-the-lunar-siphonators-crafting-recipe-should-be-reverted-for-the-first-moonstrom/#findComment-1703248 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohan Posted March 8, 2024 Share Posted March 8, 2024 2 minutes ago, Maxil20 said: Why would you not want to “fight” the werepig for scrap? Unless you are super strapped for time, you can easily get dozens per day from baiting the werepig’s attack. It’s much better then needing to wait around for the 3 statics, and is far less time consuming. Devs said during the stream u’ll have to fight NMP before scrap pig appears on the surface U can do statics while gathering gleams and charged glass. the statics r literally the part u do not have to wait for. U finish one and a new storm pops up for the next. While gleams trickle in slooooowly one by one if ur solo Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/154731-the-lunar-siphonators-crafting-recipe-should-be-reverted-for-the-first-moonstrom/#findComment-1703251 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowlVoid Posted March 8, 2024 Share Posted March 8, 2024 11 minutes ago, Ohan said: Devs said during the stream u’ll have to fight NMP before scrap pig appears on the surface U can do statics while gathering gleams and charged glass. the statics r literally the part u do not have to wait for. U finish one and a new storm pops up for the next. While gleams trickle in slooooowly one by one if ur solo I think you can also scrounge for scrap in the piles before he shows up. Giving you scrap without having to fight him. But I'm not 100% Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/154731-the-lunar-siphonators-crafting-recipe-should-be-reverted-for-the-first-moonstrom/#findComment-1703255 Share on other sites More sharing options...
grm9 Posted March 8, 2024 Share Posted March 8, 2024 1 minute ago, HowlVoid said: I think you can also scrounge for scrap in the piles before he shows up. Giving you scrap without having to fight him. But I'm not 100% 25% chance so they only get renewed with time, but werepig is always in the pile either way, it exists both, there and in caves Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/154731-the-lunar-siphonators-crafting-recipe-should-be-reverted-for-the-first-moonstrom/#findComment-1703257 Share on other sites More sharing options...
arubaro Posted March 8, 2024 Share Posted March 8, 2024 1 hour ago, Ohan said: prefer 3 statics over this tbh. Statics r the easy and fast part in my experience. Its the waiting around for gleams and shards that just takes forever and that wasnt changed. I always get more mats than statics Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/154731-the-lunar-siphonators-crafting-recipe-should-be-reverted-for-the-first-moonstrom/#findComment-1703271 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Szczuku Posted March 9, 2024 Author Share Posted March 9, 2024 11 hours ago, arubaro said: I always get more mats than statics One can also try to get materials while doing the bird tower defense. Sure, it is quite hard and annoying but I'd say that that's part of the fun At the end of the day my suggestion is just a compromise between the new moonstorm and the old one and I don't really see any reason not to add it. After all AF fight also gets easier after you defeat him once Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/154731-the-lunar-siphonators-crafting-recipe-should-be-reverted-for-the-first-moonstrom/#findComment-1703472 Share on other sites More sharing options...
arubaro Posted March 9, 2024 Share Posted March 9, 2024 1 hour ago, Szczuku said: One can also try to get materials while doing the bird tower defense. Sure, it is quite hard and annoying but I'd say that that's part of the fun At the end of the day my suggestion is just a compromise between the new moonstorm and the old one and I don't really see any reason not to add it. After all AF fight also gets easier after you defeat him once I agree that is sad that to dont interact with it that much the first time but i dont like something suddenly changing the recipe mid game. And, if we think about it, a lot of people will farm more than 1 fight even the first time to get the crown plus some extra shards so, atleast in my case, if i start a new world o wont farm one estatic and shut down the moonstorms asap Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/154731-the-lunar-siphonators-crafting-recipe-should-be-reverted-for-the-first-moonstrom/#findComment-1703487 Share on other sites More sharing options...
00petar00 Posted March 9, 2024 Share Posted March 9, 2024 I am so tired of that minigame that it really isn't fun for me to do, It would not be a huge problem for me if it stays 3 statics for the first CC but really why? It is always the same and nothing changes with the minigame, you can do it as many times as you want but I don't think we need to slow people down from first CC kill or for it to be more difficult. More items/content can be added to moonstorm so that players want to spend time there and not be forced to. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/154731-the-lunar-siphonators-crafting-recipe-should-be-reverted-for-the-first-moonstrom/#findComment-1703488 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohan Posted March 9, 2024 Share Posted March 9, 2024 7 minutes ago, 00petar00 said: I don't think we need to slow people down from first CC kill or for it to be more difficult With the change u’ll have to kill NMP and then scrap pig to get enough scrap though or u need to be really lucky with the small scrap piles or wait for the big one to regenerate for 25% chance at a scrap. and when u want to repeat u need to wait for wagstaff to spawn his junk or wait for scrap pig to respawn. And its not clear yet if ull have to kill NMP again before he can spawn as scrap pig. I dont see how this is an improvement in any way. I could always get three statics before i had all the gleams and glass. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/154731-the-lunar-siphonators-crafting-recipe-should-be-reverted-for-the-first-moonstrom/#findComment-1703490 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mima_ Posted March 9, 2024 Share Posted March 9, 2024 i found that if u smash the fence around the junk yard u sometimes will get scrap idk if its intended or how much the probability it has. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/154731-the-lunar-siphonators-crafting-recipe-should-be-reverted-for-the-first-moonstrom/#findComment-1703495 Share on other sites More sharing options...
arubaro Posted March 9, 2024 Share Posted March 9, 2024 1 hour ago, Ohan said: dont see how this is an improvement in any way. I could always get three statics before i had all the gleams and glass This Unless they make scrap a no time gatekeeper material i dont see how changing statics to scrap is an improvement. Before this change i always fought 2 or 3 cc in a row but now i see myself wasting green gems to dupe scrap to accomplish the same Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/154731-the-lunar-siphonators-crafting-recipe-should-be-reverted-for-the-first-moonstrom/#findComment-1703503 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fufuji Posted March 9, 2024 Share Posted March 9, 2024 Actually I think the required amount of infused shards and gleams should also be cut down a little to match the reduced need of venturing the moonstorm. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/154731-the-lunar-siphonators-crafting-recipe-should-be-reverted-for-the-first-moonstrom/#findComment-1703510 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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