[Game Update] - 516063

[PetulantPansy]

1 hour ago, maxwell_winters said:

Could you stop comparing peaceful full moon nights of Lunar Grimoire with a total mess that moonstorms are? 

Unless they make this change require an activated archive, there's no reason to activate the archives if you don't plan to finish out the cc quest line (and activate moonstorms). Once you activate the moonstorms, the lunar book isn't even useful until after you kill celestial champ. It's not really a comparison. It's just logical reasoning and how the game progresses. 

 

 

Edited July 21, 2022 by PetulantPansy

[Evelo]

Really looking forward to this refresh. Maybe it is because of the controversy that makes me greatly interested? Either way I am E X C I T E D!

[totestoto]

59 minutes ago, xxXolot said:

That is absolutely not true, you need archive turned on AND find the archive moon altar pieces with detector AND bring them to lunar island AND max Pearl friendship AND defeat pearled crab king AND bring his drop to lunar island too, just to activate moonstorm event. That's quite different then just archive turned on.

 

A few BIG steps like what I say, I think the lunar book sit right there in between perfectly.

Not really. It's just a crab king fight. The rest is mostly just moving stuff from point A to point B. 

[AugyBear]

These changes <3

I think our old lady is looking better than ever right now, but if I had to offer some feedback on possible changes:

• I agree with the iridescent gem being a bit too "expensive" to go into the recipe for the Lunar Grimoire. I like the idea others have mentioned of obtaining the recipe from the Archives, and then using Moon Moth wings in the recipe. That way the player has to visit both the Archives AND the Lunar Island/Pearl's Island in order to craft the book.
• I'd like to see the Horticulture books work in multiples of 9 plants (Abridged=9/Expanded=18), since 9 plants is a "full" farm plot. Additionally, many crock pot recipes are available with 3 fruits/veggies, so having plants grow in multiples of 3 would make the numbers work out all nice and neat.
• For The End is Nigh, I think a solid fix could be as simple as giving players some reliable method of determining lightning targets. i.e. if we knew lightning bolts would prioritize Lightningrods > Bosses > Trees > Hostile Mobs > Players > Passive Mobs, then we could plan accordingly to get some use out of the book.

I really appreciate all the work you guys have been doing with this rework! I'm so happy my main squeeze is getting some love. She's in a great spot and I'm having a ton of fun with the new gameplay options these books are providing.

[Mert_TR]

I am begging for some interesting gameplay features for Wickerbottom other than just beeing a tool to access the books 

[DVGMedia]

thing is iridescent gem can only be gotten with caves enabled so that means players cant even get the book if they are on a surface only world..
I say make it with moon island stuff like the moths
Something not early game but can be gotten consistently.
 

[b l a n k]

Thank you so much for fixing Wortox, using the map to teleport doesn't waste souls anymore compared to the Soul Echo (love this name btw)

[Creatorofswamps]

2 hours ago, maxwell_winters said:

I suggested about 3 times in this topic to make those 2 gems unpickable

And if they don't make them blocked? What then? If they don't block them then all your words are just zilch......

[Ohan]

55 minutes ago, AugyBear said:

I really appreciate all the work you guys have been doing with this rework! I'm so happy my main squeeze is getting some love. She's in a great spot and I'm having a ton of fun with the new gameplay options these books are providing.

Definitely. 

i totally agree with ur three points as well. Archive activation seems a better and more interesting limitation than literally an opal for every book. Someone suggested using an astral detector in the recipe. 

This is arguably a bigger hurdle than an opal in the short term since u can just steal the archive opals for the first two books since u have to wait for the first natural full moon to make the third opal to activate the archives otherwise. 

But i like this much more than an opal for every book. Especially because u wont be able to summon ur own full moons before the first natural one which imo is appropriate

Edited July 21, 2022 by Ohan

[h2mk]

change the book recipe to three opalescence and be done with it 

anyway what does the overcoming spiders book do differently

[Lord of Bunwich]

Please make it so that this Lunar Grimoire can't break. An Opalescent Gem is a dangerous (or, rather, annoying) thing to perma-lose.

[Parusoid]

The cost of grimoire is now atrocius. Its sad the the people who were most vocal about adding iri gem to recipe never actually played wickerbottom for real before and only play on pubs scared for life about being griefed

The only thing adding iri gem achieved is that you gonna be actually griefed by having your archives gems stolen day 1

Edited July 21, 2022 by Parusoid

[Gashzer]

4 hours ago, Guille6785 said:

there is in fact a better solution than either "go to mosaic and mine 1 moonrock boulder" or "steal the 2 iridescent gems from the archives so anyone who wants to do the lunar questline gets the middle finger"

Tbh anyone looking to troll can steal the iridescent gems anyway, once you have the book you can more easily farm the moon stone event for more iridescent gems. With the lunar moth plus gem, this locks this recipe to more experienced players or it encourages noobs to explore to find lunar island plus archives. 

Pretty smart recipe twerk by klei, gg ez.

[Parusoid]

4 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

see your base on the map and Teleport there

wortox can only telepoert through map to places he already visited before

2 hours ago, AugyBear said:

since 9 plants is a "full" farm plot

but 10 is full

Edited July 21, 2022 by Parusoid

[Parusoid]

"The Horticulture books now grow Banana Bushes and Stone Fruit Bushes to their last stage"

 

if only mushroom planters got this treatment O.o

[GelatinousCube]

6 hours ago, maxwell_winters said:

Could you stop comparing peaceful full moon nights of Lunar Grimoire with a total mess that moonstorms are? 

Thank you!!!!

People keep downplaying or trying to claim the Moonstorms don't damage your base but they most certainly do if you have any pens or fenced in mobs. Moonstorms can utterly destroy pets/pens/mobs. They also lock certain large areas to needing to wear goggles to get through them with the beams following you and dealing damage as well. 

Unless you are basing in caves (or oasis as isn't that immune to moonstorms? Could be wrong) then keeping the moonstorms on 24/7 is not at all ideal and can do tons of damage across the map to all sorts of setups you may have spent ages working on and building.

[Frosty_Mentos]

Maybe change lunar grimoire's recipe to need blue gems, moth wings and moon rocks with some paper? It's really powerful book and as much as I love the idea of opal gems to be used for it I think it would mess up the archives all together. Then again we can just take away the gems out of there to disable it so no annoying people were to do anything about it... but it's a lotta work still.

[Ornge]

10 hours ago, HugoM said:

Tweaked recipes for The Lunar Grimoire

I would just like to say that the changes this patch note has made is surprising (in a good way). I genuinely did not expect another hot fix after yesterday AND on top of that one that would add several community requested changes like increasing the grumble bee cap, maxwell taking more sanity using wickers books, the codex umbra literally not being allowed in the library and improving bad items like overcoming arachnaphobia.
 

That said the new recipe for the Lunar Grimoire is absolutely atrocious.

Not only do you have to go to the archives but you also have to travel to the lunar island to catch moon moths. This wouldn't be so much of a problem if it wasn't for the fact that wicker can easily steal one iridescent gem from the archives and then force other players to do the moon event twice. Ignoring that though, I don't understand why this change was even necessary. if you really tried you could get this book before day 10. If the problem before was that this book was attainable day 2, how is getting it on day 12 any better??? it's just a more expensive, harder to get version of the old book for an ability that isn't actually that good. 2 moon moths feels like an improvement over 2 moon rocks considering how rng dependant moon boulders are to find but as many others have said, the opal gem needs to be removed from the recipe.

Even if the archives didn't exist, time locking recipes like this just isn't fun. Imagine if you missed the day 11 full moon. Oh whoops, looks like you'll need to wait 2 and a half hours for the next one on day 31.

[lakhnish]

Is it not technically feasible to make it so that the Lunar Grimoire doesn't change the moon cycle but instead only makes the night a full moon and the cycle continues as normal?

I've said it before, but having over 2 years of development of Return of Them for full moons on demand only for Wicker to read a book that resets the Lunar Cycle isn't great imo.

[ArubaroBeefalo]

5 minutes ago, lakhnish said:

Is it not technically feasible to make it so that the Lunar Grimoire doesn't change the moon cycle but instead only makes the night a full moon and the cycle continues as normal?

I've said it before, but having over 2 years of development of Return of Them for full moons on demand only for Wicker to read a book that resets the Lunar Cycle isn't great imo.

isnt like changing the moon cycle via CC has any use other than needing to remember a new number while wickerbottom changing the moon has good uses like being able to fight shadow pieces every 10 days instead of 20

i dont get the change to the recipe. Changing it to moths is a good way to slow down when you get your first book but the opals just means that you can craft 2 in early by picking the opals from the archives before leaving the caves after a ruins rush and create new opals via moonrock event with the 2 tomes crafted 

Edited July 21, 2022 by ArubaroBeefalo

[Parusoid]

I dont really know what is the goal of this lunar book recipe adjustment? Is it to please part of the community?

1) Is it to please part of the community?
Pleasing community is hard and there always will be group that is happy and group that is not so it all boils down to lesser evil

2) Is it to make Wicker have to visit archives?
Then just make Distilled Knowledge a crafting ingredient, or even make that using it on the Archive Orchestrina unlocks the recipe

3) It it to make the book "late game"?
There are other items less rare allowing crafting of multiple copies (akin to other books). Besides we can get iri gems day 1 so its not relaly late game either

4) To make it incredibly rare?
If its to make it rare then that would be fitting choice

5) Or to reduce griefing potential?
Well there needs to be a root cause discovered what is considered griefing here? Affecting woodie or resetting moon phase, potentially delaying new moon forever? In either case solution should be applied directly to either woodie (wilba style; ill ommit the fact that just having a food on you is enough but apparently people find it extremly hard to do) or the moon cycle (it was suggested before to make moon cycle come back to normal after book effects are gone; or make the book alternate between full moon and new moon)

Edited July 21, 2022 by Parusoid

[lakhnish]

4 minutes ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

isnt like changing the moon cycle via CC has any use other than needing to remember a new number while wickerbottom changing the moon has good uses like being able to fight shadow pieces every 10 days instead of 20

It's more because of what I said that they spent this whole build up on the lore on the moon and stuff only to throw it away by being able to ignore it with Wicker's book.

[Mysterious box]

6 hours ago, Parusoid said:

The cost of grimoire is now atrocius. Its sad the the people who were most vocal about adding iri gem to recipe never actually played wickerbottom for real before and only play on pubs scared for life about being griefed

It really is getting annoying that when someone has a opinion people don't agree with the narrative always seems to be well clearly you don't play that character otherwise you wouldn't have said that as if no one who plays a character would dare have a opinion contrary to their beliefs.

 

[Parusoid]

4 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

It really is getting annoying that when someone has a opinion people don't agree with the narrative always seems to be well clearly you don't play that character otherwise you wouldn't have said that as if no one who plays a character would dare have a opinion contrary to their beliefs.

 

see you get it - what sane person would want their favorite character suffer ??

Edited July 21, 2022 by Parusoid

[Mysterious box]

8 minutes ago, Parusoid said:

see you get it - what sane person would want their favorite character suffer ??

Fair enough from now on I guess I shouldn't push for Walter's slingshot to have a balanced upgrade instead I should have pushed for it to attack as fast as normal melee, I shouldn't have been against Wurt being able to have a chance to use Wickbottoms books for a chance at activating it's effect or the idea that she should be able to eat leafy meats I now understand that these opinions made me someone who hated these characters and I will now correct myself in future posts.

Edited July 21, 2022 by Mysterious box