[Game Update] - 516063

[Chesterxito]

nerfed lunar grimoire let's goooo

[maxwell_winters]

5 minutes ago, ShadowDuelist said:

1) this book although it was strong, its not THAT powerful to require an opal gem to craft. I think requiring 2 lunar moths is more than enough nerf for it, if preventing early game abuse was the point.

You can just make one book and put it on the bookcase to restore durability. 

6 minutes ago, ShadowDuelist said:

2) this will make Wickerbottoms now rush for the archives, steal the free opals and curse the world so they have to make the lunar event THREE TIMES just to start the quest there

 

Since it's now used in crafting, it would be logical to make those 2 gems unpickable.

8 minutes ago, ShadowDuelist said:

Or add 2 moon stones and 2 moon moths, doesnt matter, just remove opal gem from it. keeping it at this price is the same as effectively removing the book altogether.

Then we'll again come back to the issue of low effort, high reward. I'm sorry but the opal gem is the only lunar item that feels fitting. Everything else seems too easy to get. 

I don't really want to bring the lore to the gameplay discussion but this book having a cheap recipe is weird to say the least. One of the loading screen quotes even says "Don't mistake that thing in the night sky for the moon". The "moon" is an ancient deity and a strong force in DST. Manipulating it that easily without consequences doesn't feel right. The irri gem evens it out a bit.

[Thieverpedia]

Some might say an Iridescent Gem is a bit much. I see it as less griefing towards Woodies. That, and you can always recharge the grimoire with the bookcase.

On another note, yay no more Codex Umbra in her library! She even has a quote about not letting it in her library!

[Mike23Ua]

3 minutes ago, Arcwell said:

SHHHHHHHH
I agree though, but I'm happy it wasn't changed.

Nope rain book will be changed next to require luxury fan from killing Moose/Goose

[lakhnish]

2 minutes ago, Pedro cc said:

I agree with this change and I think no one ever actually activates or grief the archives in pubs anyways 

I can tell you that I have stolen opals in pubs because it is funny.

[h2mk]

14 minutes ago, ShadowDuelist said:

This is absolutely horrible. Let me explain why:

1) this book although it was strong, its not THAT powerful to require an opal gem to craft. I think requiring 2 lunar moths is more than enough nerf for it, if preventing early game abuse was the point.

2) this will make Wickerbottoms now rush for the archives, steal the free opals and curse the world so they have to make the lunar event THREE TIMES just to start the quest there

3) A book this expensive will most likely never be crafted: the materials come too late for it to be effective, you'd just do better going all the way to activate the moonstorm event.

Please review this (IMO very poorly thought suggestion) and just make it 2 moon moths only instead. Or add 5 moon stones and 5 moon moths, doesn't matter, just remove opal gem from it. keeping it at this price is the same as effectively removing the book altogether.

No I liek this pls

pls add iridescent chestedr to the game in next hotfix klei

[theldo123]

I agree with previous replies saying that Iridescent Gems are a little too much. Iridescent Gems are absolutely required for the lunar champion boss, and none of the Fuelweaver's requirements are used for other things.

Preferably I would not like to have Iridescent Gems added to a recipe at all due it being absolutely required to face a boss.

Blue-Socketed Cratered Moonstones and Lunar Moths would suit the recipe more, or 2 Lunar Moths, Bathbomb, and Carrat. Either that or ramp up the Moon Stone (or use Moon Glass) cost to the extreme (12-20 Moon Rocks per book), I think either would make the book better.

[Mysterious box]

7 minutes ago, maxwell_winters said:

Since it's now used in crafting, it would be logical to make those 2 gems unpickable.

Considering this is the first and only other use for them outside of it I agree here. Well mostly I feel like this isn't enough of a serious issue but if it makes people feel safer.

Edited July 21, 2022 by Mysterious box

[ShadowDuelist]

11 hours ago, maxwell_winters said:

Then we'll again come back to the issue of low effort, high reward. I'm sorry but the opal gem is the only lunar item that feels fitting. Everything else seems too easy to get. 

I don't really want to bring the lore to the gameplay discussion but this book having a cheap recipe is weird to say the least. One of the loading screen quotes even says "Don't mistake that thing in the night sky for the moon". The "moon" is an ancient deity and a strong force in DST. Manipulating it that easily without consequences doesn't feel right. The irri gem evens it out a bit.

There is a point where "lore" meets "gameplay". This book will only be craftable by Glermz for decoration, or in worlds where there is nothing else to do. Seriously, nobody in their right mind will craft this in a normal playthrough unless they steal the first 2 free gems, which also curses the world to have to do the event 3 times instead of one. By the time you are able to craft it, the moonstorm event has most likely already started or is about to.
If they wanted to go that route, it would be just better to remove it altogether.

I main Wickerbottom, I am the one who always pushes and starts the moonstorm event, I know the timings in public servers, this really makes the book pointless.

Edited July 21, 2022 by ShadowDuelist

[h2mk]

this craft is epic and you can do the moonstorm over and over again with it, so it's not a problem

[Duck986]

Klei: makes cheap book for infinite full moon

Everyone: O MAH GAWD IT'S SO CHEAP!

Klei: nerfs this book

Everyone: O MAH GAWD IT'S SO EXPENSIVE!

Edited July 21, 2022 by Duck986

[h2mk]

think of it as a yellow gem and you win

[Mysterious box]

1 minute ago, ShadowDuelist said:

There is a point where "lore" meets "gameplay". This book will only be craftable by Glermz, or in worlds where there is nothing else to do. Seriously, nobody in their right mind will craft this in a normal playthrough unless they steal the first 2 free gems

There's a slight contradiction here if no one in their right mind would do the moon event this means they'd never plan to do the moon storm event and if that's true taking them from the archives causes no harm real harm no?

2 minutes ago, ShadowDuelist said:

By the time you are able to craft it, the moonstorm event has most likely already started or is about to.

People rush the ruins all the time and make multiple star caller staffs usually in the first 10 days while one of the quests to trigger the moon storm event  requires you wait till summer to do it...

[Mike23Ua]

3 minutes ago, theldo123 said:

I agree with previous replies saying that Iridescent Gems are a little too much. Iridescent Gems are absolutely required for the lunar champion boss, and none of the Fuelweaver's requirements are used for other things.

Preferably I would not like to have Iridescent Gems added to a recipe at all due it being absolutely required to face a boss.

Blue-Socketed Cratered Moonstones and Lunar Moths would suit the recipe more, or 2 Lunar Moths, Bathbomb, and Carrat. Either that or ramp up the Moon Stone (or use Moon Glass) cost to the extreme (12-20 Moon Rocks per book), I think either would make the book better.

I like this idea, but I have better idea.. Instead of being able to craft this book just anywhere.. Wicker needs to visit the Archives and read a scroll from the Ancient Library this unlocks the Moon Book-

To craft the Moon Book would require the player to build a Moon Dial & stand beside it when it is full (water pouring out) once the moon dial is full the player can stand beside it if they have the Lunar Moths Craft said book.

Fighting a boss for any characters kit crafts is overall a bad idea..

That would be like making the Dragonscale furnace exclusively a Wilson craft.

[goblinball]

I think the book crafting iridescent gems is problematic, but not because it’s too expensive. If you want the book just run down to the archives and there ya go; you can farm moonstone as much as you want now to get more iridescent gems. HOWEVER, if you’re going to be farming moonstone, then just use the moon caller’s staff for light! The problem isn’t that farming for moon book is more inconvenient now; it’s that this is the same farming method for getting an arguably better light-providing item.

[Mysterious box]

4 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

Fighting a boss for any characters kit crafts is overall a bad idea..

You can get yellow gems without fighting bosses.

[Spino43]

12 minutes ago, Duck986 said:

Klei: makes cheap book for infinite full moon

Everyone: O MAH GAWD IT'S SO CHEAP!

Klei: nerfs this book

Everyone: O MAH GAWD IT'S SO EXPENSIVE!

Most of them are just people who actually never try out the beta and just read the patch notes.

[ADM]

12 minutes ago, ShadowDuelist said:

There is a point where "lore" meets "gameplay". This book will only be craftable by Glermz, or in worlds where there is nothing else to do. Seriously, nobody in their right mind will craft this in a normal playthrough unless they steal the first 2 free gems, which also curses the world to have to do the event 3 times instead of one. By the time you are able to craft it, the moonstorm event has most likely already started or is about to.
If they wanted to go that route, it would be just better to remove it altogether.

I main Wickerbottom, I am the one who always pushes and starts the moonstorm event, I know the timings in public servers, this really makes the book useless.

I find it weird when my totally casual way to play is considered a wrong mind. Just like my previous feedback here, I prefer to clarify it's understandable being against the change and your first explanation of the idea wasn't dramatic and constructed, I get the idea, but here I'm now actually worried on how many players are opposed to the use of certain game event that I don't consider require that much of a stretch to achieve to make them more useful.

Also if the game was entirely tuned around the public experience I think the result would be a little... sad, to private server players like me who want to do a little more stuff, this made me feel that Wickerbottom book collection was getting more exiting.

[h2mk]

15 minutes ago, ShadowDuelist said:

"There is" "a point" "where" "lore" "meets" "gameplay"

:"FTFY"

Edited July 21, 2022 by h2mk

[ShadowDuelist]

20 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

There's a slight contradiction here if no one in their right mind would do the moon event this means they'd never plan to do the moon storm event and if that's true taking them from the archives causes no harm real harm no?

I don't think you are getting my point. Why would yo go all the way to get more opal gems than the ones needed for the moonstorm event, to make a book that has the same effect you can get from an event that makes it work every day for free? Without stealing the archive opals, and respecting the team, I'd try to rush the moonstorm event instead of making these books.
 

20 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

People rush the ruins all the time and make multiple star caller staffs usually in the first 10 days while one of the quests to trigger the moon storm event  requires you wait till summer to do it..

So you are telling me that you need to rush the ruins, craft at least 3 starcallers, waste using them, go to lunar island, get moon moths, make the lunar event 2 or three times (so you have one opal for the event and  2 more for wicker because the regeneration is slow) deconstruct them, and all that just to get a couple of full moons? To what end? you could have gotten good light using the starcallers AND mooncallers instead. And using the other 4 uses of a decon staff in getting thulecite on any other thing. 
By the time you used all that and did all that the moonstorm event could have been started. Streamer Hantears starts the event consistently on day 30...

Edited July 21, 2022 by ShadowDuelist

[Digi62BR]

33 minutes ago, Primalflower said:

Eu não sou necessariamente contra a ideia de wickerbottom ser forçada a aprender a receita do grimório lunar dos arquivos para que ela veja no jogo antes de poder criá-la, mas acho que a receita é um pouco ruim de outra forma. O fato de exigir uma opala para fabricar faz com que apenas 2 estejam disponíveis sem qualquer interferência dos jogadores, o que é uma merda em um cenário multiplayer, e a partir de então você está limitado à quantidade de gemas amarelas que você pode obter, o que é muito limitante.

Eu acho que poderia absolutamente ser afinado.

Really depending on the players they will disappear with everything and make it more work to have these gems

[h2mk]

Ya guys and youtuber joeshmoecoolstuff is excellent example we can kill fuelweaver on day 25 and he doesn't even touch anything to do with an opal gem or the full moon so like why is this stuff being added even @klei?? fuelweaver is the final boss in the game and you guys arent even paying attention to that... ...

so you're telling me i have to play the video game for 8 FRUCKING hours just to get a CACTUS FLOWER?? Not all of us have that much fretime.

Edited July 21, 2022 by h2mk

[Mr_Vol]

Better not let The Lunar Grimoire Burn...

[Mysterious box]

Just now, ShadowDuelist said:

I don't think you are getting my point. Why would yo go all the way to get more opal gems than the ones needed for the moonstorm event, to make a book that has the same effect you can get from an event that makes it work every day for free? Without stealing the archive opals, and respecting the team, I'd try to rush the moonstorm event instead of making these books.

I'm willing to bet most of the player base would be willing to put in the effort killing multiple bosses and doing multiple side quests and the like just for moon storms your making this sound a lot simpler than it actually is while also ignoring the negative effects moon storms have on the world alongside the positive ones.

 

4 minutes ago, ShadowDuelist said:

So you are telling me that you need to rush the ruins, craft at least 3 starcallers, waste using them, go to lunar island, get moon moths, make the lunar event 2 or three times (so you have one opal for the event and  2 more for wicker because the regeneration is slow) deconstruct them,

I mean you don't have to it's a powerful perk that you "can" put work in for.

6 minutes ago, ShadowDuelist said:

all that just to get a couple of full moons? To what end? you could have gotten good light using the starcallers instead.

 Various events throughout the world triggered throughout the world with none of the consequences>light

9 minutes ago, ShadowDuelist said:

By the time you used all that and did all that the moonstorm event could have been started. Streamer Hantears starts the event consistently on day 30...

Now excuse me since it's been awhile since I've done the full questline for the moon event since I find the pearl/crab king part super tedious but how is this possible maybe my memory is faulty but don't you need to max out pearl's friendship to get the pearl? 

[Digi62BR]

Bug Fixes

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