Birdcage OP

[mikeliberty]

jeez, dont like the birdcage, dont use it.please dont make such a fuss about a tiny element of the game. If you like playing on sparse res maps, play. but please spare others who dont

[_Q_]

It's not about liking it or not. It's about exploit of refreshing eggs and changing every spoiled piece of meat into fresh egg, also changing monster meat into eggs without any limit. It works on every game settings you wish to play.

[Tinithor]

I agree with the OP in this case. To all the people saying that monster meat is harder to get than regular rabbit meat i have to question what game they are playing. I get monster meat CONSTANTLY just trying to get other important resources that i need (Silk most commonly, but also nightmare fuel). On the other hand i have to purposely go out of my way to farm rabbits for food.The fact that Bird cages can turn all that monster meat into viable food at NO downside and can even keep the eggs that they make from the meat infinitely fresh is absolutely crazy good. It basically means i never need to go out of my way to get any food in the game ever again. Should be nerfed or perhaps even removed (They hard nerfed all the other ways to turn monster meat into viable food).

[JoeW]

shut up Le lushe the stampede (same voice actor as vash), try not to expose every exploitable feature to the klei police thanks

The game can be modded if a player would like to cheat or circumvent the intended function of a system. But the entire purpose of people playing right now is to help balance the game properly for launch. Threads that expose potential balance issues are important for [MENTION=8]Kevin[/MENTION] and the rest of the team to see things that need to be addressed.

[Tinithor]

jeez, dont like the birdcage, dont use it.please dont make such a fuss about a tiny element of the game. If you like playing on sparse res maps, play. but please spare others who dont

I play the game on default settings, The birdcage is broken in any game setting that you could ever choose. For its cost (which is a 1 time cost with no upkeep ever) and how many different uses it has, it is far and away one of the best items in the game next to maybe a crock pot. It basically breaks the whole idea that Monster meat is supposed to be a penalty to you if you eat it. This is the only way in the game that you can so completely undermine how monster meat was intended to function. Every other way that monster meat has been used to make viable food in the game easily has been removed so far as Don't starve has developed, i assume that the developers will want to do so for this as well. This is a beta, were here to give feedback on the game so that the devs can adjust it to be ready for release, hence why threads like this are necessary.

[ArcticFox789]

The game can be modded if a player would like to cheat or circumvent the intended function of a system. But the entire purpose of people playing right now is to help balance the game properly for launch. Threads that expose potential balance issues are important for [MENTION=8]Kevin[/MENTION] and the rest of the team to see things that need to be addressed.

Exactly.And you trolled me on my 'Ban Multiplayer threads' thread. Thanks. (It was quite funny)Anyway, we need to find flaws in this game, and the Birdcage is one of them. That's the point of the Beta, unless I'm very much mistaken.

[antiphysicist]

You probably have been on this wiki page but you should check the Food Guide as well.

Edit: Played with it a bit and found this:

We are dealing with bacon here people. Careful of what you do.

I forgot to mention in my earlier post but this is what I was using in winter, since I had some meat already. The meatballs thing seems even more broken but I play on normal settings so have never actually been at the living purely on monster meat stage.

[Avelarius]

I forgot to mention in my earlier post but this is what I was using in winter, since I had some meat already. The meatballs thing seems even more broken but I play on normal settings so have never actually been at the living purely on monster meat stage.

I play normal settings as well. I used the cage some updates ago for mass producing dragon fruit and later for pumpkins. Never bothered with this recipe because I could not move the tallbird and it is not safe to camp near them anyway.Learned about the exploit for meatballs in a guide in the forums but was very well established using legitimate game mechanics to survive. Honeyed ham still the best option for me as I also use the bees for protection. But the Bacon and Eggs is now a good option, even if you have to convert morsels, drumsticks or meat instead of monster meat. I will use this option in maps with less bees when I run out of honey.I just don't want to lose the option to convert surplus monster meat into gunpowder material. Two types of egg turning in the same type of rotten egg is not difficult, I think. So many items turn in the same type of rot. If they disable monster meat completely, the pressure on naughtiness will increase as you will have to kill rabbits, birds or pigs to get gunpowder. And the pressure is very high already. I hear the Krampus hissing every time I farm beardlings and I have to kill two of them to make honeyed ham with monster meat. Not to mention gold for tools.If you checked the food guide you saw eggs has no meat value and have less than one egg value as you need two of them for the bacon recipe to work. Meatballs can use one monster meat and anything as fillers but another monster meat, durian and twigs.

[mikeliberty]

It basically breaks the whole idea that Monster meat is supposed to be a penalty to you if you eat it. This is the only way in the game that you can so completely undermine how monster meat was intended to function.

I use monster meat for meatballs or let it rot to dung my berrys. And im not hurt by eating the meat balls either. By your logic i even shouldnt be able to dung my berries with rotten monster meat ...I'm fine with the birdcage as it is ... they could tweak the percentage or ratio of getting eggs from monster meat though. SO you get an egg for every third egg or so.

[_Q_]

I use monster meat for meatballs or let it rot to dung my berrys. And im not hurt by eating the meat balls either. By your logic i even shouldnt be able to dung my berries with rotten monster meat ...I'm fine with the birdcage as it is ... they could tweak the percentage or ratio of getting eggs from monster meat though. SO you get an egg for every third egg or so.

I think that food from monster meat should fill you a little less than normal, don't heal at all even if honey was used in recipe, and hurt sanity a little bit, cause its monster thing. Monster meat + some berry bushes and you have everything to survive, monster meat + birdcage and you have everything to survive.Monster meat reduced need to hunt for Koalefant, just kill 2 to get both trunks, you don't need to hunt for rabbits or go fishing, don't need to kill beefalos, pigs or tallbirds. On top of that all you can plant spider eggs where you want them, so you can just sit in base and live on monster meat. Food from monster meat should be last resort, not daily way of living.But that just me, so don't eat me alive.

[tehMugwump]

I just made it through the winter with nothing but a boomerang for bird meat (and nearly, beating myself to death by missing it on the rebound a bunch haha). Where is all this monster meat everyone has coming out of their ears? I've got no spiders and just the rare hound visit.

[TGS]

I think that food from monster meat should fill you a little less than normal, don't heal at all even if honey was used in recipe, and hurt sanity a little bit, cause its monster thing. Monster meat + some berry bushes and you have everything to survive, monster meat + birdcage and you have everything to survive.

Monster meat reduced need to hunt for Koalefant, just kill 2 to get both trunks, you don't need to hunt for rabbits or go fishing, don't need to kill beefalos, pigs or tallbirds. On top of that all you can plant spider eggs where you want them, so you can just sit in base and live on monster meat.

Food from monster meat should be last resort, not daily way of living.

But that just me, so don't eat me alive.

Yes, you could do this, but this would be ihihihiiiincredibly boring. I also really can't understand your problem. Not starving is not a problem even without the bird cage (and people, please stop taking the game title sooooo literal. Do you also complain that batman is not really half man, half bat? Or that spiderman has just 2 legs? Or that the elefant man had no trunk? Geez). I usually have so much food that rots anyway that I don't even create berry farms anymore (because I always have to harvest them as else the gobbler will take care of it and the steady fertilizing also is annoying. Without berry farms you also have the advantage to have a steady supply of fresh berries when you are traveling).

The best use for monster meat in my opinion is to create meaty stew with one meat, one monster meat and two morsels as it is very efficient for filling you up and I can save my honey (which I am not bothering to build enormous farms for) for honey poultices.

(Still, a honey ham with one meat and one monster meat is also fine sometimes).

If it is still bothering you too much, don't use it. I really don't understand your problem in this regard. You are willing to change the default settings to reduce the amount of food supplies in the world, but just not exploiting the birdcage is too much to ask for? Seriously, that sounds like more of a personal problem of yourself and not of the game...

Nevertheless, the most reasonable and efficient (and realistic) nerf to the birdcage would be that your bird plain simply dies if you feed too much monster meat to him. Of course its still not that hard to replace him, but at least it will cost you additional resources and time steadily catching replacements.

[_Q_]

Its not personal problem. Simply played the game and found some strategy that is just to good to be there. Since this game is in beta just made a thread to discuss what I found. Exploits and bugs take away from fun, game should be free of most of them. After release people will write revives and give marks to the game, if they find bugs and exploits during their game play, mark they give to the game will be lower, that could mean less sold copies and so on.

[NaviSirus]

I don't think it's an exploit exactly, just part of the semi-peaceful survival strategy. It could do with a change though, like the bird dies in the cage after 2 or 3 days and you have to capture another one. Or at least it just doesn't poop an egg out every piece of meat you give it. In fact why isn't that a thing? The pigs refuse food when you try to give them too much.

[Lumina]

Two day ? It's very short.I prefer than the bird have a score of health : too many monster meat = death of the bird.-> need catch a new bird if you want a lot of egg-> or have many birdcage, and give monster meat at different bird the time they cure.I find so sad than have one bird cage is enough for all the game. A player should hesitate making one more birdcage. Hesitation make choice and choice are goods.

[NaviSirus]

Hmm, okay but the problem remains that a player could just catch a bunch of birds and put them in a chest ready to replace them. That's why I said 2 or 3 days to make that less of an option.

[Lumina]

But it touch also the one who don't abuse the birdcage, and use it some time for make seed or egg. It is the monster meat the most important problem, not the bird, no ?Maybe not a time of live but a number of use ?Edit : exemple : a bird have 50 use, monster meat use 10, meat 5, fruit 1. Number are just exemple.

Edited April 5, 2013 by Lumina

[Tdelamay]

What if the bird died if it ate monster meat?

[Bandwagonman]

Has anyone mentioned how ridiculous it is that you can get a single bird of indeterminable gender pregnant with nearly instantly laid eggs by feeding it any kind of meat?I feel like this mechanic was a quick patch for something more in depth. Why can't the bird starve to death? Smallbirds can.

[thenotoriousmrbaker]

The game can be modded if a player would like to cheat or circumvent the intended function of a system. But the entire purpose of people playing right now is to help balance the game properly for launch. Threads that expose potential balance issues are important for [MENTION=8]Kevin[/MENTION] and the rest of the team to see things that need to be addressed.

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[Dalton]

grass and teigs are a rewneable resource like berrys

[Lonestarr01]

touchstones are OP too. All I have to do is find them, and then I have an extra life. That's so OP. No but really, the birdcage is not overpowered. Monster meat does not just fall out of the sky. You have to do work for it, thus you're working for that egg, thus working for your food. I see no problem here, except that maybe the OP needs to play adventure mode xD

[Battal]

*sigh*Why did you need to reboot this? The 'OP this!' thread troll spree has been gone, but now it's going to return.

[puph]

May have been suggested, but I think if birds only ate dried monster meat it would lower their egg output significantly. That is the debate here, right?

[Palpetinus]

Everything is OP.The player is OP, he has a normal mind in a world full of NPCs, nerf now.