Birdcage OP

[pokebirds]

who here knew that if you feed a bird in a birdcage an egg, IT WILL LAY AN EGG! it's the best deal ever!

[Palkovnik]

I will solve this great problem. With one, very easy way. Want to know what solve...?

JUST DON'T USE THIS CAGE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUILD IT, IT'S NOT THAT HARD IF YOU WANT A DIFFICULT GAME

[Gigahappytown]

Just if you feed it 6 monster meat it turns into a monster bird phenoix bear pig thingy that breaks the cage dropping zero resources and its really stronk to get it to p00p eggs you need to feed it a new birdfeed thats diffuclt to make

[_Q_]

I will solve this great problem. With one, very easy way. Want to know what solve...?

JUST DON'T USE THIS CAGE, YOU DON'T HAVE TO BUILD IT, IT'S NOT THAT HARD IF YOU WANT A DIFFICULT GAME

Yes, that is great, why waste time and resources on balancing game, just ask players to disable half of its features to enjoy playing it.I don't have any beefalos and tallbirds on my current map, lets disable more, disable everything and watch grue kill me after 1 day. Very clever.

[Palkovnik]

What. I didn't tell to disable something, I told that if someone doesn't like easier game, then he shouldn't use that op thing.

[_Q_]

What. I didn't tell to disable something, I told that if someone doesn't like easier game, then he shouldn't use that op thing.

And I say it need tweaks. Game should provide good experience with every feature on. This is beta and its players job to find exploits so they can be fixed before game is released.

[Crux]

...I play on modded very low resource map...

...just ask players to disable half of its features to enjoy playing it.

I don't have any beefalos and tallbirds on my current map...

Without any ill intent, but it was your choice to play on these settings, no? The Birdcage is strong as it currently is, yes. But as Palkovnik pointed out: you don't have to feed all your Monstermeat to it if YOU don't want to. You can still harvest the seeds and benefit from the old way. Problem solved?

Hence I don't really see the point in complaining about it, if this was in any kind a competitive game (be it Multiplayer/Leaderboards etc.) I'd agree with the issue, but it's all about personal taste as it is. There's always gonna be the easy way to stay alive, games just won't be able to "survive" (Pun intended) when the needs of the casual gamer ain't met.

Tl;dr: I'm not too happy about some of the recent changes myself, but I can see why things got implemented/changed. So yeah, don't like it -> don't use it.

*switches to lurker-mode again* (ツ)

[Palkovnik]

Of course, but as you see, some of the people see this as normal, and some, like you, as overpowered, so I think that devs should decide about that damned birdcage.

[_Q_]

Of course, but as you see, some of the people see this as normal, and some, like you, as overpowered, so I think that devs should decide about that damned birdcage.

And that's the point of this damn thread, to look at the birdcage and get some changes/fixes to it. Your politics of don't like it don't use its very bad thing, especially for game in beta stage when things can get changed/fixed. If you stay silent about every thing you don't like and simply avoid/don't use it, how it will end? In case of this game you have chance to put things you don't like on forums discuss it with people around here and with devs and get changes.

[Palkovnik]

I agree with you again, but I had to say my things, as I do not see this thing as OP, and I like getting occasional eggs

[_Q_]

And I'm greedy person, I want to have a little of everything that is in game on my maps and still have interesting game, so most exploits must be fixed for that to work. Eggs are fine, but when there is no limit, it brakes the game. Birdcage is like playing on cheats, without it there may be situation you run out of fillers and you will have to eat cooked monster meat, that will reduce your sanity, and can lead to your death, but when you have it situations like this can't happen anymore, that's why its broken.

[Palkovnik]

Altough I agree with you in some point, that giving them 20 monster meat a day makes you 20 eggs. There should be a daily limit, 1-2 with monster meat, and with normal 3-5.

[Avelarius]

[MENTION=5551]_Q_[/MENTION], I do not see your reply to post #6 . Did you miss it?

[esmosis]

Easy thing for devs to fix if they wanted - apply the feeding pig mechanic to the bird in birdcage. Only allow the bird to eat a certain number of monster meat before refusing for a certain period of time. Meat and morsels can be fed at all times.

[Ridley]

Well you can infinitely refresh eggs by feeding them to the bird, and you never have to make more cages like you do traps.Spend some gold, get some seeds, and gather 8 reeds then BAM! Your monster meats are never poisonous and you have eggs that will always be fresh.

[kendogg]

birdcages just need to scale better into lategame. make the bird refuse food when fed a thing or two like pigs do, and if you feed them monster meat it is an extra long wait. if you can collect the mats to make 10 birdcages, you have probably survived for quite awhile and built up a pretty big base.

[Mutton Time]

I agree with the OP here.

birdcages just need to scale better into lategame. make the bird refuse food when fed a thing or two like pigs do, and if you feed them monster meat it is an extra long wait. if you can collect the mats to make 10 birdcages, you have probably survived for quite awhile and built up a pretty big base.

A massive bird farm would look really strange. I'd like to see a more drastic response: make birds refuse monster meat.

[Palpetinus]

Feeding more than 2 MM every day: Werebird.Problem solved.

[Magnemania]

There's two things I don't understand about the TC's complaint.

1. The TC has states that he's playing on a low resource map, not the default settings. Generally, developers attempt to balance a game for the default settings, which take priority over niche playstyles. On my default settings map, I've found birdcages to be naught but a curiosity; I had set one up in preparation for my first winter, but found that I could easily make meatballs with combinations of Monster Meat and plants stored in the Ice Box. My berry bushes would provide enough berries to secure my food supply once the stored food ran out.

2. The TC is already "disabling" features by playing on a map with no Beefalo or Tallbirds. Why should he complain about manually disabling (by which I mean simply not using) another feature? The "don't use it" argument does not apply to standard play, but I fail to see why it wouldn't apply here.

I bet that the problem would be solved if Spiders didn't drop Monster Meat, though. They're the only source of it one can harvest regularly. Perhaps if there were some sort of "Monster Morsel" item? It seems a bit silly that I restore more hunger using Monster Meat from the spiders compared to the bees and fish I get with the Silk they drop.

[d3v1n96]

Cool story. I play on low resource map, you can run out of twigs and grass, you don't have enough to make traps over and over. Birdcage is eternal, and you get monster meat for killing every crap in this game, you can harvest spiders with traps without any risk at all if you have resources to do that. There is tons of food sources in this game and last thing it needs is trading monster meat for eggs without any limits. I will mod that stupid birdcage, its pointless to explain how broken birdcage is to people who play on default settings. Close this thread.

1. You sound like a five year-old having a tantrum and it is ridiculous.2. If you choose to do all of those other things to make the game more challenging just don't use the cage3. The close this thread part sounds a lot like "People don't agree so the should stop talking"JUST CHOOSE NOT TO USE IT. You don't have to set up a spider farm, it is a CHOICE.

[Palpetinus]

1. You sound like a five year-old having a tantrum and it is ridiculous.2. If you choose to do all of those other things to make the game more challenging just don't use the cage3. The close this thread part sounds a lot like "People don't agree so the should stop talking"JUST CHOOSE NOT TO USE IT. You don't have to set up a spider farm, it is a CHOICE.

"Choose not to use it"...It doesn't work like that.

[Vrinkles]

Also Mr. [MENTION=5551]_Q_[/MENTION] stop complaining about that everything is easy, that you are so good at it that there isn't even challenge, everything other is OP, blah blah blah...

Agreeing on what you said: this [MENTION=5551]_Q_[/MENTION] guy only complain about the game. "Oh, the game is easy", "Oh, I'm the greatest DS player in the world", "Hey, remove all the features for a hard game", "Oh, I want the hardest game ever, don't consider that it is a casual game and other people have another points of view about gaming". I think that if this game is too easy and all this blah blah blah, then he should mod for himself or the game isn't for him.

[Vrinkles]

"Choose not to use it"...It doesn't work like that.

Yes, it works like that. I don't like pumpkin lantern, for example; nor for that I stand complaining about it, about how I think it is OP and etc. I simply don't use the damn pumpkin lantern.

[Palpetinus]

Yes, it works like that. I don't like pumpkin lantern, for example; nor for that I stand complaining about it, about how I think it is OP and etc. I simply don't use the damn pumpkin lantern.

You will never understand the immense ego of a so-called "pro-gamer"...

[Vrinkles]

You will never understand the immense ego of a so-called "pro-gamer"...

Just because this game isn't [only] for pros. It is for casuals.