Boistew Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 In the privacy policy you say that you collect data automatically one of these data points being "Gameplay data and you interactions with other players inside the service" What kind of gameplay data and player interaction data do you collect? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/138699-hi-klei-i-have-a-question-about-the-privacy-policy/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Developer nome Posted March 28, 2022 Developer Share Posted March 28, 2022 Things like what people crafted or what mobs they fought. All the gameplay analytics events collected are fully visible in the lua source for DS/DST if anyone would like to confirm precisely what is sent. As you might imagine there are times when being able to see whether a particular item is getting crafted or whether everyone is dying to a particular boss might be useful in tuning. While we don't use analytics to tune everything, when we do have questions we don't think players want to wait a month or two for us to hand-craft a query and release a client that investigates only that, collect the data, and then make the change. We use a special analytics ID rather than your KU for extra safety. We're not interested in tracking people or selling your info or anything like that - we just want to make the best games possible and this is one of the tools we use to help us do that. Happy to answer any further questions if anyone has them - we think our approach respects users' privacy while still letting us make quantitative decisions about our games, so we'd like to assuage any fears people have. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/138699-hi-klei-i-have-a-question-about-the-privacy-policy/#findComment-1553375 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lakhnish Posted March 28, 2022 Share Posted March 28, 2022 36 minutes ago, nome said: All the gameplay analytics events collected are fully visible in the lua source for DS/DST if anyone would like to confirm precisely what is sent. Courtesy of @Hornete from when I asked a while ago: Quote From what I find, it seems these things have stuff pushed as metric events. Beefalo Domestication, stats like tendency, domestication, obedience are recorded. These stats seem to be recorded every time the beefalo is fed, attacked, goes feral, has its domestication value changed, does an attack while a player is mounted and so on Everytime a construction project has stuff added to it(Merm king tapestry, Pearl's House, Lunar Siphonator, Celestial Portal) Everytime you feed a goodies food item to critters(Apparently that locks their "trait" so it cant change, Did you know that? Because I sure as hell didnt! By trait I mean when it says Scrappy as a prefix and what not for the critter, depending on what the player does) Everytime a critter gets a new dominant trait Everytime a player catches something with a fishing rod, stats like the thing caught, if it is actually a fish(or if its a wobster, flotsam), the weight(if it has weight), and the catch time Everytime a player prototypes a new item (Ding ding ding! I'd guess this data was used for the design of the cookbook changes in some way) Everytime you join a new server/game Everytime a "MOTD" is clicked(Those boxes with info you find on the main screen, on stuff like the discord server, new events, new forum posts) Everytime a quick join game fails (Y'know, like how Forge and Gorge had, not in the game anymore) Everytime the server name filter is toggled on or off User commands and votes(Like /kick, /ban, /regenerate and /rollback And that's all I could seem to find. Stuff like the world day is also recorded as a stat with each of these events. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/138699-hi-klei-i-have-a-question-about-the-privacy-policy/#findComment-1553401 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArubaroBeefalo Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 1 hour ago, nome said: Things like what people crafted or what mobs they fought. All the gameplay analytics events collected are fully visible in the lua source for DS/DST if anyone would like to confirm precisely what is sent. As you might imagine there are times when being able to see whether a particular item is getting crafted or whether everyone is dying to a particular boss might be useful in tuning. While we don't use analytics to tune everything, when we do have questions we don't think players want to wait a month or two for us to hand-craft a query and release a client that investigates only that, collect the data, and then make the change. We use a special analytics ID rather than your KU for extra safety. We're not interested in tracking people or selling your info or anything like that - we just want to make the best games possible and this is one of the tools we use to help us do that. Happy to answer any further questions if anyone has them - we think our approach respects users' privacy while still letting us make quantitative decisions about our games, so we'd like to assuage any fears people have. i would like to know how much wilsons already died? many years ago we celebrated the 1.000.000 dead wilson, i wonder how much growth that number Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/138699-hi-klei-i-have-a-question-about-the-privacy-policy/#findComment-1553414 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auth Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 29 minutes ago, ArubaroBeefalo said: i would like to know how much wilsons already died? many years ago we celebrated the 1.000.000 dead wilson, i wonder how much growth that number Would love to see an updated art piece too. A whole world covered in dead Wilsons. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/138699-hi-klei-i-have-a-question-about-the-privacy-policy/#findComment-1553421 Share on other sites More sharing options...
minespatch Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 20 minutes ago, Auth said: Would love to see an updated art piece too. A whole world covered in dead Wilsons. 1billion maxwells. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/138699-hi-klei-i-have-a-question-about-the-privacy-policy/#findComment-1553427 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheggf Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 2 hours ago, nome said: Happy to answer any further questions if anyone has them What is the "interactions with other players" part about? Moderation? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/138699-hi-klei-i-have-a-question-about-the-privacy-policy/#findComment-1553446 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinancoTheBest Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 7 hours ago, nome said: Things like what people crafted or what mobs they fought. All the gameplay analytics events collected are fully visible in the lua source for DS/DST if anyone would like to confirm precisely what is sent. Do you have any plans of releasing/presenting such statistics to the public? Stats excite everyone and fun facts like "A MILLION WILSONS KILLED" can be pretty hype. I'd relish it if the announcement posts [or even loading screen tips] Included tidbits like 4 656 367 344 Spiders were vanquished. The global goals like during forge season 2 like "Grand Forge Boarior killed 6426 times, reach 10 000 to unlock new item" were really great too, they reinforce a community feeling. I'd enjoy it so much if compendium had funky global stats and goals reminiscient of that. And besides it'd be nice to have some official stats rather than rely on the only fanmade tool for keeping stats that tend to break every update and require the active maintenance of one fan. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/138699-hi-klei-i-have-a-question-about-the-privacy-policy/#findComment-1553514 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Developer nome Posted March 29, 2022 Developer Share Posted March 29, 2022 5 hours ago, Cheggf said: What is the "interactions with other players" part about? Moderation? Yeah, we don't do a lot of moderation (can you imagine how many @JoeWs we'd need if we did???) but we have to do some and this section is to cover that. The old "your right to swing your fist ends at someone else's face" thing. 3 minutes ago, SinancoTheBest said: Do you have any plans of releasing/presenting such statistics to the public? Stats excite everyone and fun facts like "A MILLION WILSONS KILLED" can be pretty hype As someone who does stats here at Klei I can appreciate this. I definitely need to be careful about promising anything there as those kinds of analysis can take a decent amount of time away from other work and I'm WAY MORE excited about what my team is working on at the moment. But maybe if you're all very good Joe will let me reward you with a teaser graph or something. 11 minutes ago, SinancoTheBest said: And besides it'd be nice to have some official stats rather than rely on the only fanmade tool for keeping stats that tend to break every update and require the active maintenance of one fan. I remember communicating with the author of this. We love this sort of thing, and I always do my best to help people making cool stuff in my spare time. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/138699-hi-klei-i-have-a-question-about-the-privacy-policy/#findComment-1553519 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terra B Welch Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 17 minutes ago, nome said: Yeah, we don't do a lot of moderation (can you imagine how many @JoeWs we'd need if we did???) but we have to do some and this section is to cover that. The old "your right to swing your fist ends at someone else's face" thing. Quick, we need to discover cloning technology so we can infinitely clone JoeW. >.> (I'm sorry I couldn't resist a joke, even if it's not that good...) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/138699-hi-klei-i-have-a-question-about-the-privacy-policy/#findComment-1553525 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boistew Posted March 29, 2022 Author Share Posted March 29, 2022 Thanks for all the replies everyone! You guys really helped answer my question especially nome! I do have one more question though. Can you guys see our chat messages? Not that I plan on harassing anyone of course but I do want to know. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/138699-hi-klei-i-have-a-question-about-the-privacy-policy/#findComment-1553595 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Developer nome Posted March 29, 2022 Developer Share Posted March 29, 2022 8 hours ago, Terra B Welch said: Quick, we need to discover cloning technology so we can infinitely clone JoeW. >.> Wrong forum, you want Oxygen Not Included. And @JanH is the one we're looking to clone around the office! 1 hour ago, Boistew said: I do have one more question though. Can you guys see our chat messages? Not that I plan on harassing anyone of course but I do want to know. The server admins have your chat history. So if you're on a Klei Pubic server that's us, if you're on someone else's server then they're the ones with your chat logs. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/138699-hi-klei-i-have-a-question-about-the-privacy-policy/#findComment-1553625 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boistew Posted March 29, 2022 Author Share Posted March 29, 2022 Ok once again thank you nome! Have a great day! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/138699-hi-klei-i-have-a-question-about-the-privacy-policy/#findComment-1553632 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALCRD Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 19 minutes ago, nome said: Wrong forum, you want Oxygen Not Included. And @JanH is the one we're looking to clone around the office! JoeW as a dupe sounds like a fun idea! I'd love to see an army of JoeW dupes angrily sqeaking at people who break forum rules. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/138699-hi-klei-i-have-a-question-about-the-privacy-policy/#findComment-1553636 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheggf Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 2 hours ago, ALCRD said: JoeW as a dupe sounds like a fun idea! I'd love to see an army of JoeW dupes angrily sqeaking at people who break forum rules. @Zaokllr, I command and order you to draw a little yelling Oxygen Not Included dude who looks like the JoeW avatar. P.s. I also command and order you not to give me a shop cat reaction as you frequently do. You know those frighten me! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/138699-hi-klei-i-have-a-question-about-the-privacy-policy/#findComment-1553683 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bumber64 Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 Give JoeW a Codex Umbra, then each of his minions gets a Codex Umbra Umbra, and so on. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/138699-hi-klei-i-have-a-question-about-the-privacy-policy/#findComment-1553688 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomebodyRandom Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 4 minutes ago, Bumber64 said: Give JoeW a Codex Umbra, then each of his minions gets a Codex Umbra Umbra, and so on. He'd need way more dapperness than Maxwell to keep sane with shadow minions + moderating the forums. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/138699-hi-klei-i-have-a-question-about-the-privacy-policy/#findComment-1553689 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bumber64 Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 1 minute ago, SomebodyRandom said: He'd need way more dapperness than Maxwell to keep sane with shadow minions + moderating the forums. Send him to the moon. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/138699-hi-klei-i-have-a-question-about-the-privacy-policy/#findComment-1553690 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArubaroBeefalo Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 37 minutes ago, SomebodyRandom said: He'd need way more dapperness than Maxwell to keep sane with shadow minions + moderating the forums. the pipe gives all the dapperness needed Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/138699-hi-klei-i-have-a-question-about-the-privacy-policy/#findComment-1553697 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Developer nome Posted March 29, 2022 Developer Share Posted March 29, 2022 13 hours ago, SinancoTheBest said: Do you have any plans of releasing/presenting such statistics to the public? Stats excite everyone and fun facts like "A MILLION WILSONS KILLED" can be pretty hype I'm lazy and busy so there's a lot of caveats here. - DS single player steam only (no DST, no other platforms) - Only a few years (since we cut over to the new DB) 146,800,385. That's a whole lotta "survivors"! And for a little extra fun, here's the top 100 causes of death. Modders will recognize that "NIL" means something special in DS. That's a whopping 18,177,417 all by itself! How many of these do you think you contributed? Somewhere in here is the first DST playtest where I got stuck on a peninsula full of nothing but bees and Jamie had to come save me, but I died trying to make a torch. (In those days DST was still reporting itself as DS). Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/138699-hi-klei-i-have-a-question-about-the-privacy-policy/#findComment-1553698 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaokllr Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 2 hours ago, Cheggf said: @Zaokllr, I command and order you to draw a little yelling Oxygen Not Included dude who looks like the JoeW avatar. P.s. I also command and order you not to give me a shop cat reaction as you frequently do. You know those frighten me! As you wish Also no! You will receive shopcat and you will appreciate it! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/138699-hi-klei-i-have-a-question-about-the-privacy-policy/#findComment-1553711 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALCRD Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 3 hours ago, Cheggf said: @Zaokllr, I command and order you to draw a little yelling Oxygen Not Included dude who looks like the JoeW avatar. P.s. I also command and order you not to give me a shop cat reaction as you frequently do. You know those frighten me! I am not @Zaokllr But i made one too here ya go @JoeW as a Duplicant: Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/138699-hi-klei-i-have-a-question-about-the-privacy-policy/#findComment-1553725 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaokllr Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 2 minutes ago, ALCRD said: I am not @Zaokllr But i made one too here ya go @JoeW as a Duplicant: I am Zaokllr Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/138699-hi-klei-i-have-a-question-about-the-privacy-policy/#findComment-1553727 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALCRD Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 Just now, Zaokllr said: I am Zaokllr And i am not as i said Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/138699-hi-klei-i-have-a-question-about-the-privacy-policy/#findComment-1553730 Share on other sites More sharing options...
minespatch Posted March 29, 2022 Share Posted March 29, 2022 6 hours ago, ALCRD said: I'd love to see an army of JoeW dupes angrily sqeaking at people who break forum rules. So... The gravitas crew of scientists are Klei employees? 2 hours ago, Bumber64 said: Give JoeW a Codex Umbra, then each of his minions gets a Codex Umbra Umbra, and so on. MAx is already in the game. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/138699-hi-klei-i-have-a-question-about-the-privacy-policy/#findComment-1553731 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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