Is Nona just a switch character? (the answer will surprise you)

[Cuernito.]

Well yes but actually no.

Hi again forumites, this time im gonna explain to you why Nona is not a switch character or at least no more than everyone else.

First im gonna start saying that she is my main and i like her for multiple reasons but theres a sad true about her... she is one of least picked characters in my personal experienced. Now im not going to tall about why i like her so much instead im gonna talk about why all the other characters can be as boring as some people say Nona is.

Lets be real for a moment "fun" is a really subjetive thing, i have a lot of hours playing this game and i was in this game even before the creation of Nona so you can believe me when i say i have used all the cast pre and post rework and right now i find all the character except Nona really boring to play. Before some of you try to explain me why they are not, im gonna be clear here they are boring for ME, so as you can see fun is really subjetive, it depends of the person.

Now that we are clear about "fun" you can understand how i feel about all the others characters, they are switch characters to me, and yeah its the same with everyone, a warly is just to get good and powerful food then switch, wendy is good to farm spiders, bees and frogs then switch, i think you can get the point by this time.

I dont really want to discuss a lot about this so im just gonna tell you that Nona is a good character and i dont think she has a problem at all, maybe the real problem is with lunar portal and how it works,(i dont really like to use that thing btw), i always prefer to use one single character and stay with her/him, thats the point for me at least, if i picked a wormwood im accepting all(disadvantages and advantages), i mean if some people just enjoy to play in an optimal way thats cool for me but dont try to look down at a character.

Finally to end my post im gonna say that i  do enjoy Nona and im not really against the idea to making her better is just that i dont have a problem with the way she is now but if klei want some ideas they just have to look at the comunity, i think she is one of the characters with the greatest potential, i mean she is the handy woman after, oh and before i forget it i think one thing that can help to make Nona more appealing to the comunity is to make her normal portrait more impressive i mean she is supposed to be like an engineer why her portrait is just a copy of the "we can do it!" thing?, come one klei the girl have more personality than that.

[UbiAnomaly]

At this point, a "switch character" defines any character that can be swapped to, played as for a season or two, and subsequently swapped off of with no loss of any noteworthy positive factors. This can be seen in Warly as you pointed out (where his Volt Goat Chaud-froid is the only reason the vast majority of players use him and can be used by any character), but not at all in your other example, Wendy. Wendy has noteworthy exclusive perks, which betrays the previously given definition of what a "swap character" is. With Warly, you can cook some dishes and maybe give something some spice, bundle it all up and then switch back to your main character with no negative repercussions, whereas you lose the ability to summon Abigail when switching away from Wendy even if you left Abi's flower in a chest.

Winona is the spitting image of a swap character. You can switch to her, set up some catapults and generators, and then use them with any other character. The only character exclusive perks Winona has are her faster crafting and Charlie-dodge, but these are so inconsequential that she is basically Wilson.

Furthermore, I want to clarify that The Lunar Portal is not a problem. Or at least not a significant one. Like you, most players will barely use the thing since they, y'know, want to play the character they chose at the start. And that character could be Winona, if she was a character that was genuinely interesting and unique and had the aforementioned noteworthy exclusive perks. Right now, Winona is Wilson with an endgame, and really has nothing over any other character, nor a niche to play into. You may like her personality, or mining for the entire first autumn to kill a boss another character could kill in 5 days, but the vast majority of players do not (as seen in the amount of players that pick her) and I think that this definitely warrants some tweaking of the character. It's a similar situation to the strongman I dare not say the name of, where they deserve so much more than they got and very little is being done.

Also, the character portrait is really fitting.

TLDR; I agree with you (mostly), but Winona deserves more. Also Wendy is not a swap character.

[Mike23Ua]

If your asking me a question, the answer is No. If your asking me to be your Valentines this Year- The answer is still No.

But thank you for sharing your Opinion  Winona is awesome- She’s the sister of Charlie who was the beautiful assistant at magic shows to Maxwell & Co-Worker of Wagstaff who created WX78 and has caused all sorts of problems (including the creation of Webber) she has the most Lore of every character in the game probably.

[Dollmaker]

35 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

If your asking me a question, the answer is No. If your asking me to be your Valentines this Year- The answer is still No.

But thank you for sharing your Opinion  Winona is awesome- She’s the sister of Charlie who was the beautiful assistant at magic shows to Maxwell & Co-Worker of Wagstaff who created WX78 and has caused all sorts of problems (including the creation of Webber) she has the most Lore of every character in the game probably.

That would be Maxwell, Winona has connections to other characters yes, but she doesnt have that much going on, unlike Maxwell who for starters is the reason the entire game happened, and even had a bunch of puzzles centered around his past. 

 

[Theukon-dos]

While it's true that character preference is subjective, game design and mechanics are not subjective. One can enjoy playing a "Swap" character, while still acknowledging that they are a swap character. Hell, I'm a big fan of playing Warly, and many consider him a swap character.

 

In either case, the reason Winona's considered a "swap character" while Wendy isn't a swap character is because other characters have a strong utility that justifies playing them at all time, while almost all of Winona's benefits can be built and then used by anyone.

Wendy has reduced sanity loss from passive sources, and Abigail gives her a significant DPS boost and can shred hound waves.

Wormwood has a faster time farming, and blooming gives him a significant speedboost.

Wolfgang can use a piggyback penelty-free and has work speed bonuses while mighty.\

Wanda has her backtreck watches and shadow proficiency when old.

 

Winona, for all intents and purposes, only has the things she can build. Her crafting speed bonus and Charlie dodge are a mild convenience at best. This is why she's a swap character, because you have no reason to play her once the catapults and lights are set up.

 

[Lil K]

In my honest opinion, Winona is not boring, but she has so much wasted potencial. Such a great idea for a character, but it was poorly implemented. 

She is an inventor, an engineer, and all she does is craft 2 machines? And one of them is basically a nitre lantern. 

Her main item is a tape that does exactly what a Sewing Kit does + boat patch?

If she were an engineer, she would probably be unemployed with this low versatility. 

[Cuernito.]

53 minutes ago, UbiAnomaly said:

At this point, a "switch character" defines any character that can be swapped to, played as for a season or two, and subsequently swapped off of with no loss of any noteworthy positive factors. This can be seen in Warly as you pointed out (where his Volt Goat Chaud-froid is the only reason the vast majority of players use him and can be used by any character), but not at all in your other example, Wendy. Wendy has noteworthy exclusive perks, which betrays the previously given definition of what a "swap character" is. With Warly, you can cook some dishes and maybe give something some spice, bundle it all up and then switch back to your main character with no negative repercussions, whereas you lose the ability to summon Abigail when switching away from Wendy even if you left Abi's flower in a chest.

Winona is the spitting image of a swap character. You can switch to her, set up some catapults and generators, and then use them with any other character. The only character exclusive perks Winona has are her faster crafting and Charlie-dodge, but these are so inconsequential that she is basically Wilson.

Furthermore, I want to clarify that The Lunar Portal is not a problem. Or at least not a significant one. Like you, most players will barely use the thing since they, y'know, want to play the character they chose at the start. And that character could be Winona, if she was a character that was genuinely interesting and unique and had the aforementioned noteworthy exclusive perks. Right now, Winona is Wilson with an endgame, and really has nothing over any other character, nor a niche to play into. You may like her personality, or mining for the entire first autumn to kill a boss another character could kill in 5 days, but the vast majority of players do not (as seen in the amount of players that pick her) and I think that this definitely warrants some tweaking of the character. It's a similar situation to the strongman I dare not say the name of, where they deserve so much more than they got and very little is being done.

Also, the character portrait is really fitting.

TLDR; I agree with you (mostly), but Winona deserves more. Also Wendy is not a swap character.

First let me tell you that i really like wendy too, she is not my main but i find her cute so i like your answer trying to defend wendy but at the end all the characters are to switch at least for me, and no, wendy is not an exception, sure she have abigail so what, what does abigail do? i mean she is good to farm some moobs like spiders or bees,, maybe she can handle some hounds waves too but thats it, sure she can help wendy to kill some bosses but at the end others characters can kill bosses better, so i dont get the point in trying to defend wendy, i get she is a popular character but geez, at the end for ME all characters except Nona are to switch do you get it now? for me.

Now about the portrait, dude the thing is a copy of some "work harder women" from 2 war so i dont understand how you like a cheap copy of something like that, just feels unoriginal and uninspired but sure i mean its your opinion and i respect that.

And finally Nona alone without the catapults its actually more complex that wendy without abigail, you get it? wendy without abigail its as complex and funny as a potato, well to being honest i like potatoes but at the end if we compare the two they are not so different, wendy have normal stast and can eat whatever thing she wants, she doesnt have something special aside from abigail, just like that meme: if you are nothing without abigail maybe you shouldnt have it. But dont get me wrong i really like wendys, when i see all the wendys in the pub server i always gave them compliments, but geez dude why all the people have to defend wendy that bad? she is a boring character at least to me and thats all.

30 minutes ago, Theukon-dos said:

While it's true that character preference is subjective, game design and mechanics are not subjective. One can enjoy playing a "Swap" character, while still acknowledging that they are a swap character. Hell, I'm a big fan of playing Warly, and many consider him a swap character.

 

In either case, the reason Winona's considered a "swap character" while Wendy isn't a swap character is because other characters have a strong utility that justifies playing them at all time, while almost all of Winona's benefits can be built and then used by anyone.

Wendy has reduced sanity loss from passive sources, and Abigail gives her a significant DPS boost and can shred hound waves.

Wormwood has a faster time farming, and blooming gives him a significant speedboost.

Wolfgang can use a piggyback penelty-free and has work speed bonuses while mighty.\

Wanda has her backtreck watches and shadow proficiency when old.

 

Winona, for all intents and purposes, only has the things she can build. Her crafting speed bonus and Charlie dodge are a mild convenience at best. This is why she's a swap character, because you have no reason to play her once the catapults and lights are set up.

 

The same that i write for UbiAnomaly applies to you, sorry i just got tired of writing in english. :P 

[UbiAnomaly]

22 minutes ago, NekoSoulx said:

First let me tell you that i really like wendy too, she is not my main but i find her cute so i like your answer trying to defend wendy but at the end all the characters are to switch at least for me, and no, wendy is not an exception, sure she have abigail so what, what does abigail do? i mean she is good to farm some moobs like spiders or bees,, maybe she can handle some hounds waves too but thats it, sure she can help wendy to kill some bosses but at the end others characters can kill bosses better, so i dont get the point in trying to defend wendy, i get she is a popular character but geez, at the end for ME all characters except Nona are to switch do you get it now? for me.

Now about the portrait, dude the thing is a copy of some "work harder women" from 2 war so i dont understand how you like a cheap copy of something like that, just feels unoriginal and uninspired but sure i mean its your opinion and i respect that.

And finally Nona alone without the catapults its actually more complex that wendy without abigail, you get it? wendy without abigail its as complex and funny as a potato, well to being honest i like potatoes but at the end if we compare the two they are not so different, wendy have normal stast and can eat whatever thing she wants, she doesnt have something special aside from abigail, just like that meme: if you are nothing without abigail maybe you shouldnt have it. But dont get me wrong i really like wendys, when i see all the wendys in the pub server i always gave them compliments, but geez dude why all the people have to defend wendy that bad? she is a boring character at least to me and thats all.

1. The point was not to defend Wendy from criticism, but to point out that she is not a swap character. She has perks that don't carry over when using the Celestial Portal. Sure, all characters are swap characters because it's always possible to swap to them and swap back, but in that same line of thinking every human being is an idiot because we have the opportunity to get smarter.

2. I was not defending Wendy, as I said. While, yes, Wendy is nothing without Abigail, Winona is similarly nothing without her catapults. In fact, without her catapults, Winona is just pre-rework Winona, aka a Wilson clone. The same goes for Wendy. Without a character's main gimmick of course they are going to be boring.

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Thank you for being a reasonable forumite who does not respond with toxicity 

 

[Echsrick]

the real proplem is the moon portal realy, whit out that, there would be no such thing as a swap character

[Dextops]

2 minutes ago, Dr.Medic said:

the real proplem is the moon portal realy, whit out that, there would be no such thing as a swap character

nah it definitely isn't the portals fault the character is just kinda meh imo

[ArubaroBeefalo]

4 minutes ago, Dr.Medic said:

the real proplem is the moon portal realy, whit out that, there would be no such thing as a swap character

ww, maxwell, wolfgang, woodie and almost every character can be considered swap character. You can literally pick them, use their perk and never use it again until you need again their perk but you dont see people complaining about them because they are interesting

with warly happens because he has a impactful downside so a lot of people just use it as swap character which doesnt means he needs anything because of that like winona doesnt need anything because of the portal but because is another wilson like character

[Theukon-dos]

19 minutes ago, NekoSoulx said:

First let me tell you that i really like wendy too, she is not my main but i find her cute so i like your answer trying to defend wendy but at the end all the characters are to switch at least for me, and no, wendy is not an exception, sure she have abigail so what, what does abigail do?

Infinite free light, defense, good damage, ect. You can't swap to Wendy whenever you hear a hound wave coming.

19 minutes ago, NekoSoulx said:

i mean she is good to farm some moobs like spiders or bees,, maybe she can handle some hounds waves too but thats it, sure she can help wendy to kill some bosses but at the end others characters can kill bosses better, so i dont get the point in trying to defend wendy, i get she is a popular character but geez, at the end for ME all characters except Nona are to switch do you get it now? for me.

See above. Wendy players can just kind of turns their brains off a lot of the time.

19 minutes ago, NekoSoulx said:

Now about the portrait, dude the thing is a copy of some "work harder women" from 2 war so i dont understand how you like a cheap copy of something like that, just feels unoriginal and uninspired but sure i mean its your opinion and i respect that.

 

...Who's side are you on.

19 minutes ago, NekoSoulx said:

And finally Nona alone without the catapults its actually more complex that wendy without abigail, you get it? wendy without abigail its as complex and funny as a potato, well to being honest i like potatoes but at the end if we compare the two they are not so different, wendy have normal stast and can eat whatever thing she wants, she doesnt have something special aside from abigail, just like that meme: if you are nothing without abigail maybe you shouldnt have it. But dont get me wrong i really like wendys, when i see all the wendys in the pub server i always gave them compliments, but geez dude why all the people have to defend wendy that bad? she is a boring character at least to me and thats all.

Wendy has her reduced damage, the Sisturn for sanity, Ghosts are neutral towards her, and the Pipspook minigame.

Winona has faster crafting speed and can dodge Charlie. 

"More complex"

[Cuernito.]

Ehh this is actually a good answer, i in fact forgot about some things. First why would anybody want a Wendy during a hound attack? They are easy to deal with so no point in discussing that.

Now to the main point, lets see whos really the more complex.

Wendy with no Abigail and no sisturn(forgot about this thing lol):

Reduced damage.

Ghost are neutral to her.

She Lost less sanity during night or near monsters( i don't remember if this is still a thing or was removed after the rework)

i'm not gonna count the pipspook minigame cause thats don't give anything to Wendy you know.

Vs

Winona with no machines and trusty tapes:

Can take a hit from Charlie.

Can craft twice the normal speed.

She loses 5 hunger points every time she craft if she hasnt crafted something during the las minut.

If she have 50 hunger or less she is not going to lost hunger points but she is going to craft slower than the normal speed.

And finally something that not all the people know so i'm not gonna count this(You are a lucky fella ah), Nona can identify wagstaff tools during the storm event. :)

so as You can see, Yep Nona is more complex, sorry kiddo but hey You Made good points but god i still don't get that fascination with Wendy to the point write something without proper investigation geez.

 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Theukon-dos said:

Infinite free light, defense, good damage, ect. You can't swap to Wendy whenever you hear a hound wave coming.

See above. Wendy players can just kind of turns their brains off a lot of the time.

...Who's side are you on.

Wendy has her reduced damage, the Sisturn for sanity, Ghosts are neutral towards her, and the Pipspook minigame.

Winona has faster crafting speed and can dodge Charlie. 

"More complex"

The text above was for You but i'm in My phone now and some mistakes were Made xD

[SecretPizzaMan]

I don't use swap to Winona, hell I don't really swap characters much at all apart from swapping from Wanda to Wicker cuz logs.

[Notecja]

6 minutes ago, NekoSoulx said:

First why would anybody want a Wendy during a hound attack? They are easy to deal with so no point in discussing that.

Because not everybody can deal with 11-12 hounds with possibility to have them every three days. Abigail is a mobile tooth trap, with less maintenance and as far I know is also fireproof. Most people anyway disconnects, as fire hounds can burn precious resources/structures, kinda they are not worth fight at some point.

11 minutes ago, NekoSoulx said:

Wendy with no Abigail and no sisturn(forgot about this thing lol):

Reduced damage.

Ghost are neutral to her.

She Lost less sanity during night or near monsters( i don't remember if this is still a thing or was removed after the rework)

i'm not gonna count the pipspook minigame cause thats don't give anything to Wendy you know.

Is because main Wendy mechanics are about maintaining Abigail. Not to be Wendy, but to be with Abigail. Is a quite difference and that's why all comparing can go as well go hell or like that:
Wendy can:
Summon and unsummon Abigail.
Farm buffs (whole minigame) for Abigail and buff her. Whole 6 or 7 crafts, I don't have encyclopedia memory.
Put her into aggressive mode or/and calm her.
Actively maintain her in fights - most Wendies cannot kite with Abigail, but there is a space for high skill celling and/or very low floor skill.
See Abigail health meter to see is she need her extra help.
Also she doesn't lose sanity when other players are ghosts (doesn't matter in Endless)
+here add mentioned so far Wendy perks.

Winona and her crafts:
Farm resources.
Place them.
???
Anybody can reuse them. They repair themselves. You can waste on them gems, if you are too rich. Also they eat nitre, if you would like beefalo...
+here add mentioned so far Winona perks.

So far is not fully clear where is Winona exactly about. She is missing main spice, she could be about her crafts, but they go like Wigfrid helmets, or Warly foods, except Warly foods will be used up and hello Warly again. And Winona structures upkeep is not so cheap, especially if whole nitre is going to beefalos, or gems are used a lot (like to craft purple gems). When I was playing Winona I found her downsides quite annoying - I would remove her penalty or at least her complaining, as there are three characters with faster cooking perk without any penalty to it, and futhermore they can cook food over just lighter. Crazy, isn't it?

But well, that's true that for some people many character will be switchable or just not and it is sort of personal preference - for me would be Wigfrid, despite she had both craftables and unique to her perks.

[abrocator]

> OP: Nona

Mod character?

> Other posters: Winona

Ok that’s not confusing at all.

[hhh2]

2 hours ago, NekoSoulx said:

And finally something that not all the people know so i'm not gonna count this(You are a lucky fella ah), Nona can identify wagstaff tools during the storm event.

LORE

I wish winona had thumpers and telebrella, might be to OP tho. Maybe they would drop as blueprints from wagstaff after you complete some of the moonstorm events as winnona.

[Harrowick]

I'm kinda saddened that as one of the main DST characters, she hasn't been given any attention since her rework. No small updates adding new machines every now and then, nothing. 

Unfortunately she became a lore over gameplay character who has the most skins in the game.  

[Auth]

There seems to be a misunderstanding of the term "swap character" going on here! I'll try my best to explain.

Most characters in the game, with the exception of Wilson pretty much, have some or multiple mechanics tied to them that make their gameplay be mainly defined by specific attributes, some of which have a far greater impact on the game (Wanda can make forest>cave wormholes) all the way to some that have an extremely small impact on the game (Woodie can tame pigs/bunnymen for a longer time)

What the community mostly agrees to be the definition of a swap character is someone whose main major attributes (This being their most useful ones) can be used by any other character, regardless of if the original character who had the perks is there or not.

Here's a quick list of just the main thoughts off the top of my head. I'm not a pro so this is just what I know of.

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Major Wilson Perks: None
Other Wilson Perks: Beard
Can major perks be used by others: No, as he doesn't have any

Major Willow Perks: BERNIE!, Total Fire Immunity
Other Willow Perks: Can cook on lighter, Extinguishes fire faster
Can major perks be used by others: No, Willow needs to be present for these perks to work

Major Wolfgang Perks: Stronger than other characters
Other Wolfgang Perks: Potato
Can major perks be used by others: No, Wolfgang needs to be present for these perks to work

Major Wendy Perks: Abigail, Sisturn
Other Wendy Perks: Skins are very expensive on steam marketplace, doesn't lose sanity from ghosts
Can major perks be used by others: Not Abigail, her most useful bit, but Sisturn can (kinda)

Major WX-78 Perks: Gears upgrading, Overcharging
Other WX-78 Perks: Hatred
Can major perks be used by others: No, WX-78 needs to be present for these perks to work

Major Wickerbottom Perks: Books, books, books
Other Wickerbottom Perks: Has science machine knowledge
Can major perks be used by others: Kind of, but only by Maxwell

Major Woodie Perks: Infinite axe, transformations
Other Woodie Perks: Tames allies for longer, likes poutine
Can major perks be used by others: No, Woodie needs to be present for these perks to work

Major Wes Perks: Better than Wurt
Other Wes Perks: Balloons
Can major perks be used by others: Yes, everyone is better than Wurt

Major Maxwell Perks: Shadow minions, best-sounding voice in-game
Other Maxwell Perks: Can read Wickerbottom books, natural sanity gain
Can major perks be used by others: No, Maxwell needs to be present for these perks to work

Major Wigfrid Perks: Cheap armor/weapons, Extra damage dealt + Damage reduction
Other Wigfrid Perks: Music, the best character in the game
Can major perks be used by others: Yes, the armor/weapons can be crafted in mass amounts and used by anyone (But the rest of her kit stays with her)

Major Webber Perks: Spider taming
Other Webber Perks: Literally everything in their refresh, can eat monster meat, beard
Can major perks be used by others: No, Webber needs to be present for these perks to work (Unless you count the spider hat...)

Major Warly Perks: Can make super-powerful foods, can buff foods even further
Other Warly Perks: Chef pouch
Can major perks be used by others: Yes, all of Warly's foods can be stored indefinitely & used by anyone

Major Winona Perks: Can make a variety of useful structures, Trusty Tape
Other Winona Perks: Crafts faster, Charlie hit, Wagstaff tool identification (only needed once) 
Can major perks be used by others: Yes, all of Winona's buildings & Tape can be used as normal by anyone

Major Wurt Perks: None (Unless you think merms aren't a waste of space)
Other Wurt Perks: Makes Wes not the worst character
Can major perks be used by others: Yes, crafting the Clever Disguise allows you to not get clobbered on sight by the wretched swamp-beasts

Major Wortox Perks: Soul healing, soul hopping, soul eating, soul embroidery, soul grocery shopping, soul karaoke, soul bowling (souling)
Other Wortox Perks: Compulsive liar, imp gang
Can major perks be used by others: No, Wortox needs to be present for these perks to work

Major Walter Perks: Mod character
Other Walter Perks: What does this character not have?
Can major perks be used by others: No, Walter needs to be present for these perks to work

Major Wormwood Perks: Living log generation, Farming anywhere, blooming
Other Wormwood Perks: Didgeridoo, Not attacked by plants, brambles
Can major perks be used by others: No, Wormwood needs to be present for these perks to work

Major Wanda Perks: Can rip god apart if she wanted to
Other Wanda Perks: Spits on game balance
Can major perks be used by others: No, Wanda needs to be present to defy god

Did I miss any characters?

This isn't the most comprehensive list as I haven't sat down to no-life grind out 500 hours as each character, but it gets the general point across that some characters main perks, and main gameplay purpose to playing them, can be just as easily used by any other character after the main character is swapped away from.

As an example, after all of Winona's structures are crafted, all other characters can get the same usage out of them at the same efficiency as Winona, all the while still maintaining their character's unique perks and not needing the other items to justify their existence.

If you choose to never change characters, then sure, you could throw the entire idea out the window as obviously you'll never even have the opportunity to swap to anyone. But, for those that embrace changing characters, that's where the whole idea of swap characters comes from. It's not the fact that a character has strengths in certain scenarios, it's if a character's upsides can be used just as well by anyone in any scenario. That's why a character like Maxwell doesn't count as a swap character, despite being "gets a lot of resources quickly", because his perks only are usable if he's still present.

 

I don't think anyone here is trying to attack Winona, or by extension fans of Winona, because from what it looks like, it seems people are just upset that she has seemingly a lot more potential than she is used for. As a Nona fan, you of all people should want the character to be able to be fully utilized in every scenario, to have unique things to bring to the table and a bigger reason to keep her around outside of personal preference.

She isn't bad by any means, but after crafting everything she has, you might as well pick another character who can still utilize her stuff along with your new character's additional perks.

[Theukon-dos]

On 2/8/2022 at 9:31 PM, NekoSoulx said:

Ehh this is actually a good answer, i in fact forgot about some things. First why would anybody want a Wendy during a hound attack? They are easy to deal with so no point in discussing that.

Because Abigail tears hounds to shreds, effectively making her a- Well not a Living tooth trap field. But you get the point. Keep a bush hat on you, and the only thing you have to worry about in Hound waves are the fire hounds burning things down 'round you.

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Now to the main point, lets see whos really the more complex.

Wendy with no Abigail and no sisturn(forgot about this thing lol):

 

Reduced damage.

Ghost are neutral to her.

She Lost less sanity during night or near monsters( i don't remember if this is still a thing or was removed after the rework)

i'm not gonna count the pipspook minigame cause thats don't give anything to Wendy you know.

Vs

Winona with no machines and trusty tapes:

Can take a hit from Charlie.

Can craft twice the normal speed.

She loses 5 hunger points every time she craft if she hasnt crafted something during the las minut.

If she have 50 hunger or less she is not going to lost hunger points but she is going to craft slower than the normal speed.

And finally something that not all the people know so i'm not gonna count this(You are a lucky fella ah), Nona can identify wagstaff tools during the storm event.

so as You can see, Yep Nona is more complex, sorry kiddo but hey You Made good points but god i still don't get that fascination with Wendy to the point write something without proper investigation geez.

You mean to tell me that if you ignore half a character's features, then you can say that they're less complex than a different character? Bloody hell, that's the textbook definition of cherry picking

In addition, even if a character is more "Complex", it doesn't make them better. As said before, Winona has a lot of perks, but none of them really matter much outside her machines. 

Trusty tape is just a cheaper version of Sewing Kits and boat patches.

Can take a hit from Charlie. But how often is that actually going to happen? I went over 300 days in my Wanda world and didn't get hit by Charlie once.

Loosing 5 hunger per batch of crafting is comically low, especially sense you honestly don't craft individual items that often. "Oh no, my shovel broke. Better make a new one and completely negate the cost for doing so by eating this seed I picked up off the ground."

Crafting slower on low hunger is again; something that's not going to matter often. If you're about to starve, are fighting and need to craft something, I'd first ask how you got into that situation in the first place, rather than thinking that Winona's downside is the blame here.

And finally, Winona being able to identify Wagstaff's Widgets is legitimately pretty cool. too bad about only 3% of DST's playerbase will ever get to the Moonstorm event in the first place.

 

Ultimately, the only reason to play Winona is for her catapults. And once Winona builds her catapults, you can swap characters and make use of them as anyone. You may be able to swap off of Wendy after farming a bunch of Silk or Frog Legs. But you still have reasons to play Wendy after doing so. Which is; ultimately; why she's not considered a swap character.

23 hours ago, Auth said:

 

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Major Wurt Perks: None (Unless you think merms aren't a waste of space)
Other Wurt Perks: Makes Wes not the worst character
Can major perks be used by others: No, Wurt needs to be present for these perks to work

Major Walter Perks: Mod character
Other Walter Perks: What doesn't this character not have?
Can major perks be used by others: No, Walter needs to be present for these perks to work

Major Wanda Perks: Can rip god apart if she wanted to
Other Wanda Perks: Spits on game balance
Can major perks be used by others: No, Wanda needs to be present to defy god

 

 

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Also Wormwood does have his Bramble Husk and Bramble Traps that he can craft then switch from. But between durability and the fact that literally nobody uses these, it's not that important.

 

 

[Cheggf]

9 hours ago, NekoSoulx said:

Well yes

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3 hours ago, Auth said:

Major Wurt Perks: None (Unless you think merms aren't a waste of space)
Other Wurt Perks: Makes Wes not the worst character
Can major perks be used by others: No, Wurt needs to be present for these perks to work

not biased at all.... also she doesnt need to be there to use her major perk with a bundle filled with Groucho glasses

next time use the character

also you can simply swap to wendy to kill BQ or antlion and later change to other character the same way you can simply change to winona to craft 1000000 boards and ropes or use wormwood just to farm veggies and the same can be applied to others 

[maradyne]

14 hours ago, Auth said:

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This summed up the issues I have pretty well.

I love Winona's personality and premise...
My mechanical interest just falls off the moment that her buildings are up, or a pile of Tape is crafted.

 

...the hunger downside doesn't even do much, but the constant nag of the sound just feels like one more reason to switch to someone else.

[Cuernito.]

14 hours ago, Theukon-dos said:

Because Wendy tears hounds to shreds, effectively making her a- Well not a Living tooth trap field. But you get the point. Keep a bush hat on you, and the only thing you have to worry about in Hound waves are the fire hounds burning things down 'round you.

You mean to tell me that if you ignore half a character's features, then you can say that they're less complex than a different character? Bloody hell, that's the textbook definition of cherry picking

In addition, even if a character is more "Complex", it doesn't make them better. As said before, Winona has a lot of perks, but none of them really matter much outside her machines. 

Trusty tape is just a cheaper version of Sewing Kits and boat patches.

Can take a hit from Charlie. But how often is that actually going to happen? I went over 300 days in my Wanda world and didn't get hit by Charlie once.

Loosing 5 hunger per batch of crafting is comically low, especially sense you honestly don't craft individual items that often. "Oh no, my shovel broke. Better make a new one and completely negate the cost for doing so by eating this seed I picked up off the ground."

Crafting slower on low hunger is again; something that's not going to matter often. If you're about to starve, are fighting and need to craft something, I'd first ask how you got into that situation in the first place, rather than thinking that Winona's downside is the blame here.

And finally, Winona being able to identify Wagstaff's Widgets is legitimately pretty cool. too bad about only 3% of DST's playerbase will ever get to the Moonstorm event in the first place.

 

Ultimately, the only reason to play Winona is for her catapults. And once Winona builds her catapults, you can swap characters and make use of them as anyone. You may be able to swap off of Wendy after farming a bunch of Silk or Frog Legs. But you still have reasons to play Wendy after doing so. Which is; ultimately; why she's not considered a swap character.

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Also Wormwood does have his Bramble Husk and Bramble Traps that he can craft then switch from. But between durability and the fact that literally nobody uses these, it's not that important.

 

 

Wow you really answer that ah, first im gonna say that i dont like the idea of discuss something with someone accusing me of cherrypicking with no knowledge about those terms... no i didnt cherry picked, i used that comparison for another person cause he was saying that winona with no catapults is just wilson, wich is not true at all, but even if thats the true then wendy is not different, as i showed before she has even less gimmicks perks than Nona. And i never wrote about Nona being better than wendy just cause that... see its hard to discuss if the other part dont get your point and its even trying to defend something so hard, sorry but this is gonna be my last reply to you, not gonna lost my time if you can't understand all i wrote and even worst you are gonna accusing me of something like cherrypciking lmao just read the whole thing please, thats all.

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