Should wanda be nerfed?

[Cloakingsumo198]

12 minutes ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

there is no arguments, just some buthurt wolfgang's mains crying nonsense because wolf got nerfed and mike telling lies

I do enjoy how defensive and hostile you become when the spotlight is on something you enjoy.  

[ArubaroBeefalo]

1 minute ago, Cloakingsumo198 said:

I do enjoy how defensive and hostile you become when the spotlight is on something you enjoy.  

for me you and you gang can keep saying wanda op, maybe klei will listen and nerf her (read my other comments about how i would love if she gets nerfed) so i would start having fun with her but im aware that this game is played by people that wont reach our level of experience

also i love how damn tireshome you are about wolfgang but later you ask for nerf for "less overpowered" characters that you didnt even own

[Cloakingsumo198]

2 minutes ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

also i love how damn tireshome you are about wolfgang but later you ask for nerf for "less overpowered" characters that you didnt even own

I love how you show that you don't read threads from the start.

I even said I'd rather that Wanda doesn't get nerfed but everyone else gets made more mechanically interesting or buffed.

Everyone is ganging up on Wanda players for calling her "fragile", "weak" and "hard" when really she isn't and on top of not being "fragile", she's strong, stronger than most characters.

The only time Wanda could be called "hard" is when low on health, and that could literally be said about any other character but Wanda gets rewarded for it and that's the funniest thing in this whole thread.

I knew what was coming and even started arguing sarcastically. I don't actually care what happens to her, but Wanda mains really need to stop crying about being in top tier just cause they have 1 never before seen drawback.

Get your head out your own rear and maybe you'll start seeing the perspectives of your fellow forumites.

[ArubaroBeefalo]

7 minutes ago, Cloakingsumo198 said:

I love how you show that you don't read threads from the start.

I even said I'd rather that Wanda doesn't get nerfed but everyone else gets made more mechanically interesting or buffed.

Everyone is ganging up on Wanda players for calling her "fragile", "weak" and "hard" when really she isn't and on top of not being "fragile", she's strong, stronger than most characters.

The only time Wanda could be called "hard" is when low on health, and that could literally be said about any other character but Wanda gets rewarded for it and that's the funniest thing in this whole thread.

I knew what was coming and even started arguing sarcastically. I don't actually care what happens to her, but Wanda mains really need to stop crying about being in top tier just cause they have 1 never before seen drawback.

Get your head out your own rear and maybe you'll start seeing the perspectives of your fellow forumites.

says the guy who though im against wanda nerfs because thinks she 8s my main

i said many times that i prefer buffs for boring characters than nerfs for powerful ones

[Cloakingsumo198]

6 minutes ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

says the guy who though im against Wanda nerfs because thinks she 8s my main

Spoiler

You suck at staying on topic, at typing and arguing.  Blanket statements cover multiple people, if I ever referred to you directly it would be by Arubaro.  We're in forums remember that everyone will get to read what you post even farther down the line when all context is lost.

You treat post as if all of them are directed at you or are on some personal level.

 

NOW BACK ONTO WANDA

Actually I have nothing to say about Wanda except about this thread.

I love how for the most part no one is actually really trying to say nerf Wanda here or are really giving suggestions to nerf Wanda.  Instead it's mostly telling Wanda's to stop acting like they got it difficult lol.

[ArubaroBeefalo]

1 hour ago, Cloakingsumo198 said:

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You suck at staying on topic, at typing and arguing.  Blanket statements cover multiple people, if I ever referred to you directly it would be by Arubaro.  We're in forums remember that everyone will get to read what you post even farther down the line when all context is lost.

You treat post as if all of them are directed at you or are on some personal level.

 

if you quote me saying that i play main Wanda because i had an avatar of her skin or you quote me saying that im hostile with things i enjoy (sure, for that i dont play Wanda any more, i enjoy her that much that i couldn't hold it) ofc i will think you are refering to me

but this is about how op is wanda, lets stop personal atacks and keep the productive feedback:

nerf her young age is too tanky, noobs shouldnt enjoy her even if nobody with half hand uses that form

nerf her second chance clock, too op. Noobs shouldnt enjoy her

nerf her inmunity to hp penalties, people who uses telltale hearts and portal in endless servers shouldnt enjoy her

nerf her infinity healing, nothing should be infinity even if it becomes annoying

nerf her backstep watch, is so easy to time perfectly the animation. Also it doesn't make you lose dps at all compared to kitting so isnt balanced

nerf her tp ability, any character shouldnt have late game perks, all should be as underwhelming as wortox which is also op

nerf dark armor because people regenerate worlds until they get reed traps or kill 1000 shadow pieces with a boat because klei didnt though about adding a explorable sea until they got bored of reading "add sw to dst" so now we have to deal with broken AI and pathfindings (i hate how dumb is goose form when you click on the sea). Not a grindy armor at all

 

 

 

[Mike23Ua]

1 hour ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

can you explain me how that BQ didnt despawn when wilson died if you were offscreen? im very curious

btw, life giving amulets exists and are easier to farm for experience players so i dont see how can you say in the 1st line that wanda is easy for experience players but later talking about how strong is revive players... too much effort making wanda look op by talking non sense

Wilson wasn’t the only one in the server, there were other players near that bee queen (a Willow & another Wilson) but neither of them helped in the fight aside from being target distractions- Also game plays slightly differently on Xbox: Off Screen doesn’t = 100 miles away, I’m still relatively close enough to this Bee Queen to be hit by it/ hear her battle music. but it’s distracted with the other players- I will also have you know not a single one of them knew how to make a LGA.

Meanwhile.. I was there with plenty of Telltale hearts and 3 SC clocks.

Wanda is good, & if we are to ignore that its probably to just be biased (maybe because you like her and don’t wish her to be Nerfed or whatever..) I’m not here to argue reasons WHY she should be Nerfed.. I’m just stating that she makes needing a ton of armor, healing items, or revival items irrelevant as long as you have other players around to continuously revive until the task is done.

[hhh2]

I'm suprised this thread is still going. I'm also curious why balance is disscused so much in a cooperative survival game. Wanda is certainly the strongest character but why should that matter? She's easily one of the funnest characters and after all, if you aren't having fun why bother?

[HowlVoid]

33 minutes ago, Cloakingsumo198 said:

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You suck at staying on topic, at typing and arguing.  Blanket statements cover multiple people, if I ever referred to you directly it would be by Arubaro.  We're in forums remember that everyone will get to read what you post even farther down the line when all context is lost.

You treat post as if all of them are directed at you or are on some personal level.

 

NOW BACK ONTO WANDA

Actually I have nothing to say about Wanda except about this thread.

I love how for the most part no one is actually really trying to say nerf Wanda here or are really giving suggestions to nerf Wanda.  Instead it's mostly telling Wanda's to stop acting like they got it difficult lol.

People were asking to remove her alarming watch completely lol. Yes people were asking for a direct nerf, that's what caused a bit of a stir in this thread in the first place.

[Cloakingsumo198]

Just now, HowlVoid said:

People were asking to remove her alarming watch completely lol. Yes people were asking for direct nerf, that's what causes a bit of a stir in this thread in the first place.

This is insane.

[ArubaroBeefalo]

23 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

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so basically you were liying. You werent off screen, wilson wasnt fighting alone ( and i doub he was fighting just with 2 helmets and a hambat). Your costly tactic was in the game since it was release via LGA (cheaper) and telltalehearts (even cheaper)

and, one time more, i want wanda to be nerfed(which doesnt mean i expect it to happend or that i will suggest it) but the things that are actually op not things that will only affect noobs and casual players like you and few others are suggesting

[goblinball]

Klei’s going to release a character which requires the player to consistently perform frame-perfect inputs in order to be remotely usable and the forums would think said character is op and needs to be nerfed

[Mike23Ua]

11 minutes ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

so basically you were liying. You werent off screen, wilson wasnt fighting alone ( and i doub he was fighting just with 2 helmets and a hambat). Your costly tactic was in the game since it was release via LGA (cheaper) and telltalehearts (even cheaper)

and, one time more, i want wanda to be nerfed(which doesnt mean i expect it to happend or that i will suggest it) but the things that are actually op not things that will only affect noobs and casual players like you and few others are suggesting

You ALSO seem to be forgetting I’m playing on Xbox.. we have different RULES then you do.. we do not have Dedicated/Klei official servers all we have is Player hosted Servers, and when the host leaves everyone connected to that host also leaves the server: We don’t have these 10,000+ day worlds because you will find very very few Xbox console players with worlds extending into those numbers (realistically most worlds are dead by Winter/Spring and never played again..)

But that’s not why I’m calling you out on this: On XBOX BECAUSE we don’t have dedicated/official servers, the host can choose to.. (and at any time they desire..) exit the server, toggle On/Off/more/less certain settings and then re-launch that server.

TL:DR- We never have to actually ever FIGHT Bee Queen or Triple MacTusk camps or Dragonfly because we can just Toggle ON the WintersFeast event (even in worlds that have never went through it officially) and we can get Walking Canes, Tam’O’s, Dragonfly’s Gem Loot (you seem to get worked up about for whatever reason..) And Wrapping Paper- Which is the bundling wrap without needing to actually fight Bee Queen

So in the instance I describe above where Wilson kills Bee Queen from endless Wanda Revives: We did that because we WANTED TO… not because we needed to kill her to get an item we Needed.

[ArubaroBeefalo]

3 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

You ALSO seem to be forgetting I’m playing on Xbox.. we have different RULES then you do.. we do not have Dedicated/Klei official servers all we have is Player hosted Servers, and when the host leaves everyone connected to that host also leaves the server: We don’t have these 10,000+ day worlds because you will find very very few Xbox console players with worlds extending into those numbers (realistically most worlds are dead by Winter/Spring and never played again..)

But that’s not why I’m calling you out on this: On XBOX BECAUSE we don’t have dedicated/official servers, the host can choose to.. (and at any time they desire..) exit the server, toggle On/Off/more/less certain settings and then re-launch that server.

TL:DR- We never have to actually ever FIGHT Bee Queen or Triple MacTusk camps or Dragonfly because we can just Toggle ON the WintersFeast event (even in worlds that have never went through it officially) and we can get Walking Canes, Tam’O’s, Dragonfly’s Gem Loot (you seem to get worked up about for whatever reason..) And Wrapping Paper- Which is the bundling wrap without needing to actually fight Bee Queen

So in the instance I describe above where Wilson kills Bee Queen from endless Wanda Revives: We did that because we WANTED TO… not because we needed to kill her to get an item we Needed.

edit: so your justification to lie is that you play on xbox. I didnt know that bill gates forces you to tell lies

[Duck986]

2 hours ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

klei will listen and nerf her

they didn't listen when forums a) were enraged af after wolf's rework and b) offered their ideas to balance it (especially @Toros), why would they listen to a miniscule bunch of complainers while every other player founds wanda interesting as she is now?

[Yuuko]

1 minute ago, Duck986 said:

they dont listen when forums a) were enraged af after wolf's rework and b) offered their ideas to balance it (especially @Toros), why would they listen to a bunch of complainers while every other player founds wanda interesting as she is now?

Counter point - nerfing Wolf happened because they listened to people complain about Wolf in threads exactly like this one.  Until then I would have said - Klei isn't as concerned, its okay to have stronger and weaker characters - but now that they've set a precedence of nerfing Wolf... idk :\ 

[Duck986]

14 minutes ago, Shosuko said:

because they listened to people complain about Wolf in threads exactly like this one

afaik there were much less wolfgang-hate-topics in the past than today, weren't they?

[Yuuko]

6 minutes ago, Duck986 said:

afaik there were much less wolfgang-hate-topics in the past than today, weren't they?

I'm not sure what you mean - do you mean "wolfgang op" topics were more rare then, than "wolfgang over-nerfed" topics are now?

If that's what you mean, then its a matter of timing.  If Klei does nothing, Wolfgang threads will die as people give up and move on to other things.

If you mean something else, idk

[Cloakingsumo198]

I feel like Wanda gets a way better reception than Wolfgang for being harder than him.

Doesn't mean she dodges the same flak the big three would get from overshadowing the rest of the cast by being cooler and way stronger.

[Mike23Ua]

Overall Nerfs/Buffs are based on how the rest of the game functions as a whole: we even saw it with Wanda…

Klei didn’t bother to “Nerf” Stun-Locking enemies until Wanda and the Alarming Clock brought that front & center.

AND when they Nerfed said Stun-Locking it also made some certain mobs a pain in the rear to deal with, so they had to then go back and tweak the nerfs they did to stun locking on some mobs.

Klei felt Wolfgang needed a nerf, the whole staff team agree’d he would not get back his speed.. but what bothers me is any additional feedback/tweaks that do not include the #GiveWolfgangBackHisSpeed Movement.. haven’t been acknowledged, they haven’t said a word since the Wolf Rework not a single “We’re looking into how we can better represent this Character guys hang in there changes are coming” they haven’t even confirmed he WON’T get any further tweaks “We are happy with where Wolfgang is at now & feel his playstyle matches up with the rest of the content we have planned to release later, his rework is finalized.. sorry to disappoint those of you who were hoping we would make tweaks.”

Instead what we have is silence since the update- and we can either take that as they’re busy (most likely working on YoTCC and putting together the 2022 Roadmap) or they don’t plan to do anything else with him and are just going to keep silent until people move on.

But Still doesn’t change the fact Stun-Locking Was Universally Nerfed just because of WANDA existing… 

And in the same light: Wolfgang’s Speed could’ve very well been removed just because of SOMETHING ELSE in the future also existing.

And besides: Wolfgang now just like everyone else has to chase down those MacTusks and No-Eyed deer who thanks to Wanda can no longer be Premanently Stun-Locked with the same speed as most everyone else

[Duck986]

5 minutes ago, Shosuko said:

I'm not sure what you mean - do you mean "wolfgang op" topics were more rare then, than "wolfgang over-nerfed" topics are now?

If that's what you mean, then its a matter of timing.  If Klei does nothing, Wolfgang threads will die as people give up and move on to other things.

yes, that's what i mean.

[Cloakingsumo198]

The biggest issue I see is despite Wolfgang being so powerful his popularity was still extremely low.

Even now when Wanda is deemed a punishing character, I still see her more often than I have ever seen Wolfgang's and that's including when his rework was still hot.

[Mike23Ua]

13 minutes ago, Cloakingsumo198 said:

The biggest issue I see is despite Wolfgang being so powerful his popularity was still extremely low.

Even now when Wanda is deemed a punishing character, I still see her more often than I have ever seen Wolfgang's and that's including when his rework was still hot.

Personally I think it’s because Wolfgang’s gameplay is just overall Dull.. which is a shame because the character that is supposed to be the Mightiest just… isn’t?

I mean yes.. he technically finishes fights faster with high damage yay good for him.. but is his Gameplay as Deep and engaging as Wanda/Wendy/Wurt/Webber?

Does he get to teleport around the map and revive people for free? Does he get to wreck things with an A.I. Companion that can be further upgraded by going on a divining Rod quest for exclusive currency to upgrade your AOE Companion? Can he build his own Massive Army with his own Exclusive type of buffed Mobs anywhere in the world? 

I saw some “Un-used” features of ideas Klei had going for a more fun looking Wolfgang..

like being able to Bench press Beefalo.

When someone.. (including the Wolfgang Haters..) can come into this thread and tell me Why Wolfgang while in Mighty Form could not grab a RockJaw shark by it’s tail fin and bam-bam slam it on the deck of the ship, or jump in front of a charging enemy draining Might to bring them to a dead stop.. THEN Maybe I will shut up about Wolfgang..

But instead: What it feels like to me is they just removed an entire feature he once had in speed.. and in addition to that locked another feature he already had behind needing to earn it: But outside of that there’s no depth..

I don’t get to for example: Throw my friends across gaps of land like I seem to enjoy throwing dumbells.. 

I don’t get to Uproot entire fully grown Tree’s and replant them back down in their fully grown status elsewhere..

Being Mighty outside of raw stupid damage numbers Sucks..

Meanwhile WANDA gets to dish out high damage AND still have fun useful other perks that are “Exclusive” to playing as her.

Wheres that feeling with Wolfgang?

[Cheggf]

The only issue I have with Wanda is her Alarming Clock. It isn't even that it's overpowered or anything, it swings slow enough to be about the same as a dark sword, it's just annoying to use. Some fights it makes boring since the range actually matters but most of the time it just feels weird to use.

She's a good character, and if you only look at day ten billion worlds where your character choice doesn't even matter because you've done everything then she's the best general use character in the game.

But if you don't look at those worlds and instead look at worlds people actually play on I think she's pretty average. When the world first starts she doesn't really have much, then once you get a shadow manipulator she gets a damage bonus of (if I remember right) 0, 20, or 75% depending on how low her health is. But Wolf used to be able to easily get a 92% boost for little effort, Wendy can still get a bonus in the range of something like 50-80%, Wigfrid can get a 25% boost from day 1 and a variety of other combat perks, and all of them do that without needing shadow magic or being on death's door.

The thing that separates her from the other combat characters who she's comparable to is her rift watches. The thing that's unobtainable before winter and if you're playing with other people will probably take you multiple winters to be able to start making. The thing that, while very powerful, takes a ton of time and a ton of effort and frankly takes a lot of use to even pay itself off.

Other character perks like Warly, Wormwood, Wickerbottom, Maxwell, etc can be very useful very early on without huge time and resource sinks.

Also, all of that is ignoring that she's hard. People like to say "Just don't get hit 4head" since they think it makes them look good (when it only does the opposite), but she is more difficult to play than most other characters. Anyone saying don't get hit 4head should take a step back and realize that with that logic all characters are pretty invincible and the only differences between them would be time saved, which Wanda is not the best at in most cases.

[Duck986]

26 minutes ago, Cheggf said:

and the only differences between them would be time saved, which Wanda is not the best at in most cases.

how ironic - the character whose the main feature is time control is not the best at time saving.