[Game Update] - 490197

[Pikapikap]

24 minutes ago, BezKa said:

happened to me too just now 

And now just walked into a tree, hit it once and BAM! Resources are doubled too. So this happens whenever the 1% chance event happens

@Jason  

[BezKa]

4 minutes ago, HowlVoid said:

We NeEd more sped

His name is Necky Breaky from how spedy he is

[Cloakingsumo198]

6 minutes ago, HowlVoid said:

We NeEd more sped

We'll get there...... we'll get there.....

[reallychina]

13 minutes ago, Gi-Go said:

I only have one desire and that's for him to be better after rework and not worse. 

Wolfgang now has pickaxeaxe build into him instead of magiluminesence. how cool and not at all an item that noone uses. 

sums up the uptdate tbh. cool stuff with the weights but other than that, a big nerf and various addons that are overall meaningless. 

[Gi-Go]

21 minutes ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

after the last buff i use them

Fair enough. Now stop using magiluminesence and use only pickaxeaxe. That'll make your game experience better and more efficient.

[ADM]

1 hour ago, Jason said:

Wolfgang has a 1% chance when chopping and picking to finish the work in one hit.

That's a funny feature, I wonder if that wouldn't be cool to have something of a similar rate applied to attacks (not one shot but like extra multiplier of course ), TF2 players are gonna kill me if random crit are added to DST but I would like the perk honestly.

[ArubaroBeefalo]

5 minutes ago, Gi-Go said:

Fair enough. Now stop using magiluminesence and use only pickaxeaxe. That'll make your game experience better and more efficient.

no but the gym and dumbbells does so i accept the refresh with joy even if i will miss the old one, but that same thing happend with woodie and wendy and now i have a lot of fun with them

[Mike23Ua]

2 minutes ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

no but the gym and dumbbells does so i accept the refresh with joy even if i will miss the old one, but that same thing happend with woodie and wendy and now i have a lot of fun with them

Yes!!! The reworks have ALWAYS been changing the characters core gameplay loop: I mean Woodie is now Ben 10 whhhhhatt?? I didn’t see that one coming. Willow now freezes to death faster but has a cool teddy bear to protect her from shadow monster (and can be cuddled for warmth) Wendy no longer has to pick up Abigail’s flower from the exact spot Abigail dies within, Abigail’s flower now no longer needs to EVER leave Wendy’s inventory (except from maybe a stray frogs lick)

Wolfgang was going to be changed eventually.. I can only hope people will come to enjoy the changes made to him over time.  

[guoluyouke]

3 hours ago, Hornete said:

You're able to workout when fighting with the dumbbells(Same rates as lifting)! Fantastic changes.

Important to note it seems the attack animation is the same as punching, so it is slower than attacking with an actual weapon, but that's a fine pay-off to me considering you get mightiness in return, and can just switch back when youre fully mighty.

Thank you for the very lovely changes!

Edit: Throwing the dumbbells counts too!

But attacking with dumbells costs tons of durability. Does it really worth?

[Gi-Go]

1 minute ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

even if i will miss the old one

We both know this is a lie. You publicly stated that you dislike Wolfgang and don't play him since he is boring and too easy for your tastes.

it was in a thread where a guy asked to not nerf him about half a year before this rework, and I remembered it, because i was new to forums and this view point was like a knife wound to me, and a complete opposite of my view. How can you call a boss rush charcater boring when rushing bosses is the most fun playstyle there is - I thought to myself but didn't said anything, as I was too weak from taking so much damage on the wikerbottom books threat.

I'm calling you out on being sneaky-friendly =3 

[ArubaroBeefalo]

3 minutes ago, guoluyouke said:

But attacking with dumbells costs tons of durability. Does it really worth?

for moments where you cant really stop so you prevent the transition frames unless they changed the durability cost which i didnt tested yet

[Dollmaker]

3 minutes ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

for moments where you cant really stop so you prevent the transition frames unless they changed the durability cost which i didnt tested yet

Pretty sure the cost is the same, they break pretty fast if used has a weapons or throwing them.

[Hornete]

9 minutes ago, guoluyouke said:

But attacking with dumbells costs tons of durability. Does it really worth?

That is a very good point, you're using 10x the durability attacking then if you were to use it normally to lift.

Your choice if you think it's worth it or not. I imagine it could be okay in emergencies when you really can't stand still to train, but you need mightiness, so you have this option of attacking with them.

[Well-met]

The way klei didn't hesitate to remove the speed bonus makes me think it may have not be intended in the first place due to a scripting system where scaled objects automatically benefit speed by default.

[ArubaroBeefalo]

11 hours ago, Gi-Go said:

We both know this is a lie. You publicly stated that you dislike Wolfgang and don't play him since he is boring and too easy for your tastes.

it was in a thread where a guy asked to not nerf him about half a year before this rework, and I remembered it, because i was new to forums and this view point was like a knife wound to me, and a complete opposite of my view. How can you call a boss rush charcater boring when rushing bosses is the most fun playstyle there is - I thought to myself but didn't said anything, as I was too weak from taking so much damage on the wikerbottom books threat.

I'm calling you out on being sneaky-friendly =3 

What i said doesnt mean that i think the same today, before i was so tireshome about balance but now i understand that this is a bussiness and that not everyone has +3k hours and a masochits taste for this kind of games. Im not a dogmatic person, i can change my mind if someone enlight me

i will miss his agressive and fast gameplay, sometimes i enjoy relaxed experience and for that i also play wigfrid, wendy, etc but i dont stick with them for long, i usually delete the worlds after killing all the bosses or getting tired of feeling "safe" with their perks. I like having time to time some adrenaline or laughting at me diying like an idiot, im more in the arpg gang than the stardew valley/animal crossing (but i love both!) so, in the late game where surivival is beaten and you only build and farm bosses/ruins, i like that feeling. Also i have notice that i get bored easier with characters that doesnt need to farm a wide variery of resources, as wanda you dont need healing food neither that much weather pains and you dont waste that much orange gems, just honey and you dont need for craft different kind of weapons or wigfrid with her songs and perks makes you dont need that much healing and sanity sustain, i have more fun with characters that makes me farm veggies for healing, living logs or glass for wepons, etc

lately i have repeat many times that i think wolfgang should be "OP" same goes for wicker in her in coming refresh, i wish she get a lot of "console commands like" books, is so cool to see plants growing magically or how maxwell should reach wanda level but instead of wanda's role he should be a glass cannon gatherer summoner by giving him powerful shadows but that you need to manage (kinda like wendy, maybe maxwell can be the wendy-glass cannon refresh character)

Lets make the game funnier with poweful stuff but harder enviroment instead of easy enviroment and underwhelming perks

 

edit: and if i was klei i wouldnt wate the amount of time and resouces that they waste with such cool animations and creative mechanics, just ajusted the hunger so it doesnt be that much problematic for pubs and move into other content but since they did the changes i just voiced myself to make him more interesting that just x2 damage and no speed and im happy with the result, sorry that still being little for some of you, maybe they will change something else before the release

And, i said i know that the game needs easier characters, etc but that doesnt mean that i wont share my opinion from my taste, klei will decide if is worth to take it into account or not

Edited December 15, 2021 by ArubaroBeefalo

[Picklesaurus]

I like the rework and those last changes are really cool, I especially like the idea of using the dumbell as a weapon to raise mightness mid combat while still fighting.

That said, there are two tips I'd like to give to the devs:  either lower how much durability each melee hit costs or raise how much mightness you get from each melee hit or a mix of both, otherwise using the dumbell mid combat to fight and raise mightness ends up being really expensive since each hit costs 10% - 5% of it's durability and gives you only 1 lift worth of mightness. Also, I don't know if it's intended, but my mighty wolf was trowing the bell when I tried to meele with it (holding F or left clicking), if the intent is to allow the dumbell to raise mightness while still fighting, make it so mighty wolf doesn't trow the bell when you hold F or left clicks, keep the trowing the dumbell action to his right click.

Edited December 15, 2021 by Picklesaurus

[AnnaKristina]

38 minutes ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

 

Yeah yeah we get you.

Always the same opinion voiced here against Wolfgang.

1) Hunger is a problem on pubs because he empties the icebox. But also having mightiness controlled by food is SO ridiculously easy it doesn’t even count as a downside even at a 3x drain rate because food is literally everywhere and fridges overflow with it. Could you all make up your mind?

2) His speed boost is CRAZY and OP and he really deserves it being taken way. But when he is wimpy and has a speed penalty that’s totally irrelevant, because he can heal and the whole wimpy form is basically just another buff. So is speed game breaking or totally irrelevant?

3) He shouldn’t be faster anyways because it doesn’t fit with his lore - since when can a strongman run faster, even though he’s totally fitter than all the survivors and definitely fitter than Wes, yeah yeah we know, it doesnt fit his kit. Totally makes sense that Wes has a speed boost though, essential kit for a clown. And a theatre actress definitely steals life from the audience - duh!

Thank you Gi-Go for calling out the sneaky-friendliness.

Edited December 15, 2021 by AnnaKristina

[ArubaroBeefalo]

12 minutes ago, AnnaKristina said:

1) Hunger is a problem on pubs because he empties the icebox. But also having mightiness controlled by food is SO ridiculously easy it doesn’t even count as a downside even at a 3x drain rate because food is literally everywhere and fridges overflow with it. Could you all make up your mind?

is a problem for pubs as people voiced. For solo default worlds is just managing more food which is grindy but not difficult at all, isnt an interesting downside like warly, wormwood, wanda, wortox, etc have. I dont care it but if klei makes him more interesting i would obv be happy

12 minutes ago, AnnaKristina said:

2) His speed boost is CRAZY and OP and he really deserves it being taken way. But when he is wimpy and has a  speed penalty that’s totally irrelevant, because he can heal and the whole whip yform is basically just another buff. So is speed game breaking or totally irrelevant?

so i need to love it? cant be any other opinion? as i said i dont like feeling safe and having 300hp, speed and ~1.9 damage, feels kinda unecessary. It isnt fun for me in the scenario i meantion so my feedback will be in favour of an interesing and rewarding gameplay

 

12 minutes ago, AnnaKristina said:

3) He shouldn’t be faster anyways because it doesn’t fit with his lore - since when can a strongman run faster, even though he’s totally fitter than all the survivors and definitely fitter than Wes, yeah yeah we know, it doesnt fit his kit. Totally makes sense that Wes has a speed boost though, essentially kit for a clown. And a theatre actress definitely steals life from the audience - duh!

sure it fits but fits more what klei gave to him so what i have to say? again, my opinion is mine if you dont like it deal with it, not my problem

12 minutes ago, AnnaKristina said:

Thank you Gi-Go for calling out the sneaky-friendliness.

im not sneaky nothing, im honest not a dogmatic frustrate biased person so my oppinion can change, actually im not sneaky.friendly actually im rude, ask arround here. Is how i talk, all of my group have dark humor and insulting way of talking, is how we make fun at things and sometimes i cant hold my tonge and less when i dont have any need to be friendly towards randoms

but im sure you are a wonderful person without any defect, and i say thanks to god for letting me meet you and bless my life with your kindness

 

was this friendly enough?

Edited December 15, 2021 by ArubaroBeefalo

[Cloakingsumo198]

30 minutes ago, AnnaKristina said:

Thank you Gi-Go for calling out the sneaky-friendliness.

 

1 hour ago, Gi-Go said:

I'm calling you out on being sneaky-friendly =3 

Guys guys, people not looking in the best interest for the character and play style is expected, wolf gets alot of hate from both noobs who don't get him, and the pros who think he is easy money they have as much right to be wrong (jk).  Wolf is changing no matter what but the most important part is what can we can do to make him enjoyable to both newbies with no prior knowledge, and the pros who will push each character to their upmost limit.  

Most character have a straight forward gimmick to them that interest the player first, but it's their overall gameplay that makes players stick with their preferred character.

Some will be hard, some will be easy, some will seem like a complete gimmick but they are meant for different people.  We have a balance of flavors not the same cookie cutter nonsense slapped with a slightly different shade of paint.

Edited December 15, 2021 by Cloakingsumo198

[AnnaKristina]

13 minutes ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

is a problem for pubs as people voiced. For solo default worlds is just managing more food which is grindy but not difficult at all, isnt an interesting downside like warly, wormwood, wanda, wortox, etc have. I dont care it but if klei makes him more interesting i would obv be happy

So what you are saying is that he’s easy to play in a solo world - where this OP thing actually affects & hurts nobody at all -  but hard to play in group worlds because there food apparently went from super abundant to near non-existent all of a sudden. Gotcha. So I guess he’s not OP in pubs then, cool, then let’s leave him as he is!

13 minutes ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

so i need to love it? cant be any other opinion? as i said i dont like feeling safe and having 300hp, speed and ~1.9 damage, feels kinda unecessary. It isnt fun for me in the scenario i meantion so my feedback will be in favour of an interesing and rewarding gameplay

If it’s not fun for you why can’t you choose and play another character that you like, why does Wolfgang have to be changed around your desires when plenty of people love him just as he is? We didn’t show up here demanding nerfs and gameplay changes, to Wolfgang or your favorite character for that matter. Some reciprocity would have been nice.

14 minutes ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

sure it fits but fits more what klei gave to him so what i have to say? again, my opinion is mine if you dont like it deal with it, not my problem

I’m sorry, it was Klei who gave him a speed boost for the last 7 or so years, so clearly it was meant to be there. And this didn’t seem to be a problem at all until you gang started screaming for a nerf from way back in 2020. And also I gotta say, what did you NOT have to say on the subject in your last 300 or so posts? XD That’s a bit disingenious

15 minutes ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

but im sure you are a wonderful person without any defect, and i say thanks to god for letting me meet you and bless my life with your kindness

Thank you darling, it is really nice to have met you too!

[Mike23Ua]

Question: what good is a speed boost on a character meant to HIT Harder not Run faster?

Opinion: Shouldn’t he instead HIT HARDER with constant 2x Or even 3x Damage instead of run faster?

Question: What good is a speed boost on a character who designed core intention is to fight bosses?

Opinion: Why do I even need this Speed Boost if I finish fights in half the time and save 50% or more of weapon durability in the process?

Question: What can SPEED do to Properly portray MIGHT?

Opinion: Nothing.. Might portrays Might.. running fast does not.

Question: Why does Wimpy form Wolfgang have even MORE downsides if they’re trying to make the character easier for Non-Wolfgang mains to enjoy after his Rework?

Opinion: Maybe Wimpy form will get its own unique perks like running away from danger faster since he isn’t hitting things harder.

Question: Why are there a lot of leaked/scrapped things about the Wolfgang rework that are not testable during this Beta?

Opinion: Klei has some extra stuff that he can do outside of the Beta we will find out at full launch.

Conclusion: Klei takes roughly two weeks give or take AFTER a Rework has completed BETA AND has been out in the Official Branch, before they move on to whatever is next… Giving EVERYONE (and not just the few able to play beta..) time to express their Joy/Disappointment/Concerns over it.

After the roughly two weeks of public branch feedback, adjust things accordingly and come up with something they (Klei not Wolfgang Mains, You, or Myself) are satisfied with… Then they Move on.

Edited December 15, 2021 by Mike23Ua

[Cloakingsumo198]

1 minute ago, Mike23Ua said:

Question: what good is a speed boost on a character meant to HIT Harder not Run faster?

Opinion: Shouldn’t he instead HIT HARDER with constant 2x Or even 3x Damage instead of run faster?

Question: What good is a speed boost on a character who designed core intention is to fight bosses?

Opinion: Why do I even need this Speed Boost if I finish fights in half the time and save 50% or more of weapon durability in the process?

Question: What can SPEED do to Properly portray MIGHT?

Opinion: Nothing.. Might portrays Might.. running fast does not.

Question: Why does Wimpy form Wolfgang have even MORE downsides if they’re trying to make the character easier for Non-Wolfgang mains to enjoy after his Rework?

Opinion: Maybe Wimpy form will get its own unique perks like running away from danger faster since he isn’t hitting things harder.

Question: Why are there a lot of leaked/scrapped things about the Wolfgang rework that were not testable during this Beta?

Opinion: Klei has some extra stuff that he can do outside of the Beta we will find out at full launch.

Conclusion: Klei takes roughly two weeks give or take AFTER a Rework has completed BETA AND has been out in the Official Branch, before they move on to whatever is next… Giving EVERYONE (and not just the few able to play beta..) time to express their Joy/Disappointment/Concerns over it.

After the roughly two weeks of public branch feedback, adjust things accordingly and come up with something they (Klei not Wolfgang Mains, You, or Myself) are satisfied with… Then they Move on.

Stronk leg, run fas

[Ohan]

Awesome changes 

7 hours ago, Hornete said:

You're able to workout when fighting with the dumbbells(Same rates as lifting)! Fantastic changes.

Edit: Throwing the dumbbells counts too!

This is amazing! Great job 

Does mightiness double the thrown damage? 

 

[Mantispidae]

They could give this man a 10% chance to instantly kill a boss and make mobs only deal 10% of damage and people would still go "but the speed..."

anyway, I like the sounds of the changes! I still wouldn't mind some perks for wimpy- Wimpy is pretty much solely a punishment state now, which worked well with how massively boosted the mighty form was, but now that the forms are a lil more equalized I think having wimpy as more of a gimmicky form rather than strictly punishing might be a nice change? Either that or make it something you really have to neglect yourself for- like you hit the normal wolfgang cap under loss of mightiness and then maybe further neglect (Hunger maybe?) pushes you into wimpy? gotta take care of your body!

[reallychina]

1 hour ago, Mike23Ua said:

Opinion: Why do I even need this Speed Boost if I finish fights in half the time and save 50% or more of weapon durability in the process?

 

Because. Speed. Was. Used. OUTSIDE. Of. Combat. 

 

Literally 60% of time is spent moving from point A to B.

 

Why is this such a hard concept to understand?