GYM is a terrible idea...

[Karitha]

What was that? Okay, I really understand Klei like to add damn meters to every character reworks, I hate them and I'm sure %90 of players don't really    care/use them, but what the heck is weigh lifting and dumbell in a uncompromising survival game? Who really did think it feels right in the game? What will we see in next reworks? Will maxwell have magic-meter that we have to make card or hat tricks to increase it? They are starving in a cruel world, they should not have that luxe!

And I'm not gonna talking about how they still keep Wolfgang players toxic predator types that only focused to eat&kill.

This is not even funny anymore.

[Eughstein]

Haha funny ball go push 

[-Variant]

Tee hee gym tee hee

[Ohan]

3 minutes ago, -Variant said:

Tee hee gym tee hee

Where are wolfgang’s arms  thats one step too far when it comes to wolf nerfs, even for me. 

[Electroely]

3 minutes ago, Karitha said:

what the heck is weigh lifting and dumbell in a uncompromising survival game? Who really did think it feels right in the game?

Don't Starve released in 2013. Don't Starve Together released in 2016. Klei has made multiple games before these. I'm pretty sure they have the experience in game design to know what works and what doesn't - especially with all the updates they've been releasing over the past few years and how much feedback they've gotten for them.

I think the idea of a mightiness meter fixes multiple existing issues with Wolfgang's current mightiness form (which has existed with little changes since Strange New Powers if I'm correct.) The idea of body building in the wilderness is certainly not the most unrealistic thing they've done, and even then we're come to see that the constant is starting to become more of a home to the survivors now that they're together and haven't been able to get out of it. Not that the world is forgiving to them, but they still seem to make it work enough to have time for barbeques and campfire stories, if official art and in-game mechanics are anything to go by.

So I don't think meters are a bad thing. The claim that "90% of players don't really care/use them" is completely baseless; the only character whose special meter can be ignored entirely is Wigfrid's, and that's because it just opens the path to her extra perk. She was a fun character even before the rework and Klei didn't feel the need to make players a new way. Knowing Abigail's health is very useful and Wanda's Health being replaced with an age meter makes for a really cool game mechanic that diverges far enough from the rest of the characters to make it more fun. Not to say they're always a good thing; I think Woodie has been a better character since the log meter was removed in favor of simpler transformation mechanics. But I think Klei has enough experience in the field to know when something isn't going to work in a game design sense - hence all these reworks we're getting that completely overhaul some characters. I think it's still possible they mess it up - but I don't think we'd be able to tell off just an announcement post.

16 minutes ago, Karitha said:

And I'm not gonna talking about how they made Wolfgang players more toxic predator types that only focused to eat&kill.

What does this mean? It's not like this rework is adding much more to the cost of mightiness - Wolfgang players have already had to eat tons of food to stay mighty and pretty much only focus on killing things with their massive damage multiplier. I don't think that's inherently toxic, and I don't see how this rework makes them any more toxic.

[Mike23Ua]

I don’t know if it’s a good idea or a bad idea, because I don’t know how long he will need to do it for.. or if it just looks highly out of place:

but being able to put different things in the gym to change the work out weight has me curious- fast work out= faster mighty drain, longer work out + Heavier item in gym = Longer Mighty stance + on the go consumable to stay Mighty outside of the Gym.

Can Mighty Wolfgang put Mighty big potato into the gym? Was the teaser image “bag” the work out gym bag?? Can we put MULTIPLE Items into it and carry it around to stay mighty (like carrying a punching bag around) 

Your saying the Gym is terrible when we don’t even know how it works yet…

[ArubaroBeefalo]

will be a very funny days in the forums

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[DajeKotlyar]

I like this idea. Klei can make it fun and unique. I don't like Wolfgang right now, cause he's boring, maybe this rework give him second breath

[PandoPon]

Square up, my man!

[Karitha]

2 hours ago, Electroely said:

I'm pretty sure they have the experience in game design to know what works and what doesn't

This is fallacy of unqualified source. There is so much thing I think Klei did really wrong about that game. They trying to turn game into something else, another popular blank game with colorful happy things and irrelevant mechanics. They keep turning it worse.

2 hours ago, Electroely said:

The idea of body building in the wilderness is certainly not the most unrealistic thing they've done

The fact that there is worse things doesn't make this one good. This shows up they repeats their mistakes.

2 hours ago, Electroely said:

more of a home to the survivors now that they're together and haven't been able to get out of it

So you clearly saying game is not "don't starve" anymore. That's what I'm thinking same, the difference is this, I'm not happy with that road of game turning it to an "sims simulator with few creatures". Also there is a gap between working on GYM and telling camp stories. GYM is a much much next level comfort.

2 hours ago, Electroely said:

So I don't think meters are a bad thing. The claim that "90% of players don't really care/use them" is completely baseless

Woodie's meter mechanic turned him into Ben 10.

Wanda's health meter mechanic is Wormwood's health bar with permanent health draining.

Nobody uses Wigfrid's meter mechanic, didn't see one single person that actively uses it. New players don't even know it exist.

ALMOST nobody uses Wendy's mechanic too, this mechanic is only an small boss fight booster.

2 hours ago, Electroely said:

I don't see how this rework makes them any more toxic.

I edited it just before you posted it, it's my mistake. I mean keep them toxic.

If we compare Wolfgang and Wigfrid, Wigfrid clearly can do everthing better than everything wolfgang could do. Yeah, wig have to eat meat but this doesn't mean Wolfgang is not gonna. Best way to fill up the stomach is eating meat which make them both carnivorous. Even Warly mains is mostly carnivorous... So there is no point to pick a carnivorous with more hunger need.

I'm not trying to be opposition. I'm mostly not gonna play with him even he would not get the GYM. But I'm scared of this update shows what we should except from the future of game. Game slowly turning something else i don't like. I would not write that long text if i wouldnt care about the game.

[ArubaroBeefalo]

2 minutes ago, Karitha said:

Nobody uses Wigfrid's meter mechanic, didn't see one single person that actively uses it. New players don't even know it exist.

 

i use it because i pretty good

new player didnt even know that caves exists

 

biased op

[Frosty_Mentos]

At least in scenarios of PVP you'd have more chances of outresourcing a Wolfgang in terms of hunger or to be able to take down his gyms to win. Other than that, it's a cool concept of refreshing him.
Maybe for once I'll try him out since I love buff manly guys oh heck help me

[Capybara007]

It would be like if wigfrid could craft a stage structure to perform, or wickerbottom could craft a library, i find it strage ig.

 

[Karitha]

Just now, ArubaroBeefalo said:

i use it because i pretty good

I swear, I didn't saw single person that uses it. 

1 minute ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

new player didnt even know that caves exists

Not that new, players with hundered of hours don't know how does it works.

3 minutes ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

biased op

I saw few person that uses Wendy's mechanic and I think it's not the worst to use abigail in boss fight. But people is not using wigfrid's one because it's not a cheap way to fight.

[ArubaroBeefalo]

1 minute ago, Karitha said:

I swear, I didn't saw single person that uses it. 

 

i didnt saw a single elephant, might be a myth

 

2 minutes ago, Karitha said:

But people is not using wigfrid's one because it's not a cheap way to fight.

is literally free stats for a infinity durability item

you can beat bosses without needing sanity and healing food included FW (maybe for BQ if you dont kite perfectly)

[Toroic]

18 minutes ago, Karitha said:

This is fallacy of unqualified source. There is so much thing I think Klei did really wrong about that game. They trying to turn game into something else, another popular blank game with colorful happy things and irrelevant mechanics. They keep turning it worse.

The fact that there is worse things doesn't make this one good. This shows up they repeats their mistakes.

So you clearly saying game is not "don't starve" anymore. That's what I'm thinking same, the difference is this, I'm not happy with that road of game turning it to an "sims simulator with few creatures". Also there is a gap between working on GYM and telling camp stories. GYM is a much much next level comfort.

Woodie's meter mechanic turned him into Ben 10.

Wanda's health meter mechanic is Wormwood's health bar with permanent health draining.

Nobody uses Wigfrid's meter mechanic, didn't see one single person that actively uses it. New players don't even know it exist.

ALMOST nobody uses Wendy's mechanic too, this mechanic is only an small boss fight booster.

I edited it just before you posted it, it's my mistake. I mean keep them toxic.

If we compare Wolfgang and Wigfrid, Wigfrid clearly can do everthing better than everything wolfgang could do. Yeah, wig have to eat meat but this doesn't mean Wolfgang is not gonna. Best way to fill up the stomach is eating meat which make them both carnivorous. Even Warly mains is mostly carnivorous... So there is no point to pick a carnivorous with more hunger need.

I'm not trying to be opposition. I'm mostly not gonna play with him even he would not get the GYM. But I'm scared of this update shows what we should except from the future of game. Game slowly turning something else i don't like. I would not write that long text if i wouldnt care about the game.

I don’t want to be rude, but if you’re not using Wig’s songs the idea that she does “everything better” is absurd.

Current state Wolf has up to 2x damage vs 1.25x, up to 25% speed boost to Wig’s 0, and while Wig’s damage resist gives her effectively 250 hp, Wolfgang can get up to 300 so mechanically she needs to life leech 50 hp before she even catches up defensively and would still be well behind offensively.

Post refresh they are probably going to be more on par with Wolf being more offensively oriented and Wig being more defensively/support oriented.

[Karitha]

10 minutes ago, Toros said:

I don’t want to be rude, but if you’re not using Wig’s songs the idea that she does “everything better” is absurd.

Current state Wolf has up to 2x damage vs 1.25x, up to 25% speed boost to Wig’s 0, and while Wig’s damage resist gives her effectively 250 hp, Wolfgang can get up to 300 so mechanically she needs to life leech 50 hp before she even catches up defensively and would still be well behind offensively.

Post refresh they are probably going to be more on par with Wolf being more offensively oriented and Wig being more defensively/support oriented.

I agree that Wolfgang is stronger but I believe this strengh is only effective for boss tanking, am I right? I don't think it's a really good things to have a average wolfgang in team than an average wigfrid.

20 minutes ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

i didnt saw a single elephant, might be a myth

If you live in a place that elephants live and you have been traveled around of this place for years but still can not see elephants, that means there is no elephants. Even if there is elephants around the place you live, they have to be really rare. You are not a funny man, you are that elephant I didn't see for long time.

Ofc here is people around using it, but also there is people around using kelp to attack or wear grass armor even in the late game.

[ArubaroBeefalo]

3 minutes ago, Karitha said:

If you live in a place that elephants live and you have been traveled around of this place for years but still can not see elephants, that means there is no elephants. Even if there is elephants around the place you live, they have to be really rare. You are not a funny man, you are that elephant I didn't see for long time.

Ofc here is people around using it, but also there is people around using kelp to attack or wear grass armor even in the late game.

but i dont get your point. The songs are great, if people dont use them isnt because there is a problem with them but with how the game already has a lot of things to think about so a lot of people who pick wigfrid is to chill not to overthink so ofc they wont think about farming the songs

[Toroic]

8 minutes ago, Karitha said:

I agree that Wolfgang is stronger but I believe this strengh is only effective for boss tanking, am I right? I don't think it's a really good things to have a average wolfgang in team than an average wigfrid.

If you live in a place that elephants live and you have been traveled around of this place for years but still can not see elephants, that means there is no elephants. Even if there is elephants around the place you live, they have to be really rare. You are not a funny man, you are that elephant I didn't see for long time.

Ofc here is people around using it, but also there is people around using kelp to attack or wear grass armor even in the late game.

Higher damage multiplier is relevant any time you’re fighting.

Wolfgang can 1 shot spiders with a fresh hambat, meaning he can easily drain multiple nests very quickly to get a stack of monster meat and a good amount of silk and glands in 1/2 or 1/3 the time of other characters.

Wolfgang also can get significantly greater durability on weapons as they are good for a number of hits, and Wolfgang uses less, so he can stretch dark swords longer.

Bosses are a fairly significant part of the game in terms of challenges you can actually fail, and Wolf trades general survival convenience for making the hardest part of the game easier.

Wolf can also solo farm scales off dfly and can trigger the dfly stun which speeds up the fight even more.

[Capybara007]

Battlesongs are just fun to use, but they are far from useful, and you cant argue that not changing falsetto is good game design, but maybe its just a joke song and they didnt took it srsl to design it.

[Duck986]

3 hours ago, DajeKotlyar said:

I like this idea. Klei can make it fun and unique. I don't like Wolfgang right now, cause he's boring, maybe this rework give him second breath

I agree at 101%. After playing Wanda and getting used to her Backtrek Watches, Alarming Clock and unique health mechanic, I found out that Wolf is actually boring af - just "eat, kill, repeat" (yep, I was maining him in the past)

[Milordo]

2 hours ago, Karitha said:

 

Woodie's meter mechanic turned him into Ben 10.

 

AHAHAHAHHA, i can't but this made me die ahahahha. I want now @minespatch giving us a Woodie Ben 10 xD 

[sudoku]

Dissappointed the mini games are making their way into characters kits now. I was willing to stomach them during Lunar New Year events, and then dissapointedly again when they created the new Summer Carnival event this year, but now they have infiltrated another update once again.

[Owlrust]

I mean to be honest, we kinda saw this madness coming from a long time ago. I feel for Klei because they're in a "Darned if you do, Darned if you don't" kind of scenario.

With straight buffs: "Wolfgang is even more OP than before."

With Nerfs: "Wolfgang sucks.Thanks for ruining him."

With Tweaks: "He's too complicated now. [Insert new mechanic here] is boring/tedious/unfun/etc."

 No changes at all: "Why does everyone else get a rework but him. He needs one the most."

[goblinball]

6 hours ago, Karitha said:

Nobody uses Wigfrid's meter mechanic, didn't see one single person that actively uses it. New players don't even know it exist.

Hello! Nice to meet you, I’m what you call a “person who uses Wigfrid’s meter mechanic”. We exist!