[Game Update] - 483468

[Mysterious box]

Just now, HowlVoid said:

What... Am I looking at right now?

Is that, that one dragon from how to train your dragon?

Naaa it's a dragon from a series which every time the main character gets hurt he overreacts and says "Don't die weak human your too weak." and threatens to do exactly what your picture says.

[Echsrick]

59 minutes ago, HowlVoid said:

What... Am I looking at right now?

Is that, that one dragon from how to train your dragon?

nah it has theeth so it cant be it but i dont know if it has a name or not imagine that what? a scalie cant know a dragon like character! but perhaps its actualy not about the character...perhaps its about the feelings of an picture the face it does it looks angry that you know its secret and hugs a wall in fear that someone would tell the secret to everyone makin it sad in a way that it has like less of an upper hand then it could have been...yes thats must be the true reason for this

[ALCRD]

2 hours ago, PeterA said:

Fixed a bug that allowed Walter’s Portable Tent to be used as a Pokeball.

Lol what?

[Masked Koopa]

50 minutes ago, lakhnish said:

If you have a bug that needs fixing, report it on the tracker. 

If it's still not fixed, re-report it. 

Some bugs are an easy fix, some are complex, some bugs are not a priority when you've reported it (like during busy updates), and some are just missed. 

If you can give a clear explanation on the problem and what causes it, the better the odds of it being fixed. 

<- This guy bug reports.

The bug's already been reported, do they really want us re-reporting every bug until they acknowledge it? I mean, I can make a new bug report for it every week, but somehow I don't think that's what Klei wants. 

[blizstorm]

55 minutes ago, lakhnish said:

If you have a bug that needs fixing, report it on the tracker. 

If it's still not fixed, re-report it. 

Some bugs are an easy fix, some are complex, some bugs are not a priority when you've reported it (like during busy updates), and some are just missed. 

If you can give a clear explanation on the problem and what causes it, the better the odds of it being fixed. 

<- This guy bug reports.

This must be a very complicated bug, even with a re-report

[Mike23Ua]

9 minutes ago, blizstorm said:

This must be a very complicated bug, even with a re-report

You know it could be entirely possible that Merms and Pigs are supposed to be very very Dumb.. and them walking endlessly into terrain is the game working as Intended because they’re just supposed to be THAT DUMB.

Which if that is the case: I find absolutely Hilarious and shouldn’t be patched.

However you guys have to understand the complexity behind having a mob path find it’s way ALL THE WAY BACK HOME..

Just go play GTA V (single player) as Franklin go as far away from Chops Dog house as you possibly can with Chops then- Tell Chops to go home: But, instead of going off and doing your own thing: FOLLOW HIM watch exactly how many obstacles a huge mega billion dollar company like Rockstar has to program chops to walk past, over, around, etc… 

What your asking for- is essentially the same thing but from Klei a smaller lesser known Indie company It could prove to be an insurmountable task for them that ultimately wouldn’t be a worthwhile endeavor.

Edited October 26, 2021 by Mike23Ua

[HowlVoid]

2 hours ago, Dr.Medic said:

if we are at it what about this?


normal and reskin tamo hat are not lookin so good like there half in the air

For a $5.99 character this is pretty awful not gonna lie. 

Klei needs to amend this asap it has gone on for too long. Make any hat Wurt wears shrink a bit to fit her head.

Edited October 26, 2021 by HowlVoid

[Masked Koopa]

1 minute ago, Mike23Ua said:

You know it could be entirely possible that Merms and Pigs are supposed to be very very Dumb.. and them walking endlessly into terrain is the game working as Intended because they’re just supposed to be THAT DUMB.

Which if that is the case: I find absolutely Hilarious and shouldn’t be patched.

However you guys have to understand the complexity behind having a mob path find it’s way ALL THE WAY BACK HOME..

Just go play GTA V (single player) as Franklin go as far away from Chops Dog house as you possibly can with Chops then- Tell Chops to go home: But, instead of going off and doing your own thing: FOLLOW HIM watch exactly how many obstacles a huge mega billion dollar company like Rockstar has to program chops to walk past, over, around, etc… 

What your asking for- is essentially the same thing but from Klei a smaller lesser known Indie company It could prove to be an insurmountable task for them that ultimately wouldn’t be a worthwhile endeavor.

They don't need to find their way home. They just need to teleport to their home if unloaded while not hired. Which apparently is something spiders already do anyway.

[lakhnish]

8 minutes ago, Masked Koopa said:

The bug's already been reported, do they really want us re-reporting every bug until they acknowledge it?

Depends, how badly do you want it fixed?

Go to my profile, look at bugs I've reported and sort by date.

You'll find quite a few bugs I've labeled as re-report that's been since marked fixed (and others I've forgotten to re-report cause I've been busy).

The nost notorious re-report has been one about goats and a change they made to the herd component.

Since @ScottHansentook over the bug tracker, there's been significant improvements in bugs being fixed (and Zark's addition has helped a lot too).

Is it perfect? No, and it never will be. It's just how it is with limited dev time and that's how you get bugs fixed. 

[HowlVoid]

3 minutes ago, lakhnish said:

Depends, how badly do you want it fixed?

Go to my profile, look at bugs I've reported and sort by date.

You'll find quite a few bugs I've labeled as re-report that's been since marked fixed (and others I've forgotten to re-report cause I've been busy).

The nost notorious re-report has been one about goats and a change they made to the herd component.

Since @ScottHansentook over the bug tracker, there's been significant improvements in bugs being fixed (and Zark's addition has helped a lot too).

Is it perfect? No, and it never will be. It's just how it is with limited dev time and that's how you get bugs fixed. 

You would think additional paid content would have high priority though. I'm not talking about the merm ai bugs either. After seeing the tam pictures, that's pretty bad and doesn't look at all professional. I had seen many, many posts about it before. I was under the impression these had been fixed already. It has been a very long time lol.

[Mysterious box]

6 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

You know it could be entirely possible that Merms and Pigs are supposed to be very very Dumb.. and them walking endlessly into terrain is the game working as Intended because they’re just supposed to be THAT DUMB.

Which if that is the case: I find absolutely Hilarious and shouldn’t be patched.

However you guys have to understand the complexity behind having a mob path find it’s way ALL THE WAY BACK HOME..

Just go play GTA V (single player) as Franklin go as far away from Chops Dog house as you possibly can with Chops then- Tell Chops to go home: But, instead of going off and doing your own thing: FOLLOW HIM watch exactly how many obstacles a huge mega billion dollar company like Rockstar has to program chops to walk past, over, around, etc… 

What your asking for- is essentially the same thing but from Klei a smaller lesser known Indie company It could prove to be an insurmountable task for them that ultimately wouldn’t be a worthwhile endeavor.

No no no you misunderstand our little vent session has also been to have Kiel acknowledge 25% of her faults by 2027 we'll talk about actually coming up with solutions for them by 2061 wouldn't want to rush anyone now would we.

[Pikapikap]

2 hours ago, Dr.Medic said:

if we are at it what about this?


normal and reskin tamo hat are not lookin so good like there half in the air

This is a disaster.

[Masked Koopa]

12 minutes ago, lakhnish said:

Depends, how badly do you want it fixed?

Go to my profile, look at bugs I've reported and sort by date.

You'll find quite a few bugs I've labeled as re-report that's been since marked fixed (and others I've forgotten to re-report cause I've been busy).

The nost notorious re-report has been one about goats and a change they made to the herd component.

Since @ScottHansentook over the bug tracker, there's been significant improvements in bugs being fixed (and Zark's addition has helped a lot too).

Is it perfect? No, and it never will be. It's just how it is with limited dev time and that's how you get bugs fixed. 

That's a very questionable system to say the least. I'm already dubious of the practice of game devs pretty much requiring community support for bugfixes, but to have a bug tracker where there's a real chance that your bug report will be ignored opens it up to being filled with repeat reports for bugs that people are personally invested in. I've already tried bumping one of the reports by replying to it, I've tried bringing it up in suggestions, in a post about wurt's issues, in a post about this bug, and even tried to bring it up with a klei dev on the klei discord. If spamming bug reports is actually approved of and allowed, then I'll do it, but I'm pretty sure Klei has every reason to be aware of it by now.

[Mysterious box]

18 minutes ago, lakhnish said:

Depends, how badly do you want it fixed?

Go to my profile, look at bugs I've reported and sort by date.

You'll find quite a few bugs I've labeled as re-report that's been since marked fixed (and others I've forgotten to re-report cause I've been busy).

The nost notorious re-report has been one about goats and a change they made to the herd component.

Since @ScottHansentook over the bug tracker, there's been significant improvements in bugs being fixed (and Zark's addition has helped a lot too).

Is it perfect? No, and it never will be. It's just how it is with limited dev time and that's how you get bugs fixed. 

 

1 minute ago, Masked Koopa said:

That's a very questionable system to say the least. I'm already dubious of the practice of game devs pretty much requiring community support for bugfixes, but to have a bug tracker where there's a real chance that your bug report will be ignored opens it up to being filled with repeat reports for bugs that people are personally invested in. I've already tried bumping one of the reports by replying to it, I've tried bringing it up in suggestions, in a post about wurt's issues, in a post about this bug, and even tried to bring it up with a klei dev on the klei discord. If spamming bug reports is actually approved of and allowed, then I'll do it, but I'm pretty sure Klei has every reason to be aware of it by now.

To add to this was the loyalty bug even reported with a proper bug report?

[Mike23Ua]

2 minutes ago, Masked Koopa said:

That's a very questionable system to say the least. I'm already dubious of the practice of game devs pretty much requiring community support for bugfixes, but to have a bug tracker where there's a real chance that your bug report will be ignored opens it up to being filled with repeat reports for bugs that people are personally invested in. I've already tried bumping one of the reports by replying to it, I've tried bringing it up in suggestions, in a post about wurt's issues, in a post about this bug, and even tried to bring it up with a klei dev on the klei discord. If spamming bug reports is actually approved of and allowed, then I'll do it, but I'm pretty sure Klei has every reason to be aware of it by now.

Please don’t do that, because then the only bug that gets seen is yours- when other players could have their own bugs that need to be known about. 

Rather unfortunately your bug doesn’t seem to be a high priority on their list of things to fix, and I get that that may frustrate you.. but Klei does things own their own time at their own pace, and on their own schedule.

There is a second QoL still coming.. one JoeW teased as “Substantial” If your bugs do not get addressed with that update- wait and bring it to their attention again later.

We don’t need to spam “fix Wurts Merms and hats” when there are problems like going into a sandstorm during summer crashing the game completely

(the sandstorm bug is being fixed as we speak but it’ll be a few days before we get it)

This is Klei’s Busiest time of Year, we have Hallowed Nights, Terraria November Thing,Wolfgang Rework, WintersFeast & Year of the Tiger..

They're going to be busy for awhile I love Wurt, but her problems aren’t a Priority that need to be fixed ASAP 

[QuQuasar]

Something to keep in mind: pigs and merms both use the same follower AI. If pigs teleport home when unloaded, werepig farms will be much less effective because the pigs will all disappear while offscreen and be indoors when you arrive to harvest the farm at nightfall.

Side effects are a thing.

[Masked Koopa]

10 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

Please don’t do that, because then the only bug that gets seen is yours- when other players could have their own bugs that need to be known about. 

Rather unfortunately your bug doesn’t seem to be a high priority on their list of things to fix, and I get that that may frustrate you.. but Klei does things own their own time at their own pace, and on their own schedule.

There is a second QoL still coming.. one JoeW teased as “Substantial” If your bugs do not get addressed with that update- wait and bring it to their attention again later.

We don’t need to spam “fix Wurts Merms and hats” when there are problems like going into a sandstorm during summer crashing the game completely

(the sandstorm bug is being fixed as we speak but it’ll be a few days before we get it)

This is Klei’s Busiest time of Year, we have Hallowed Nights, Terraria November Thing,Wolfgang Rework, WintersFeast & Year of the Tiger..

They're going to be busy for awhile I love Wurt, but her problems aren’t a Priority that need to be fixed ASAP 

It isn't my responsibility to manage Klei's workload. As a developer, it's kind of standard practice to have a backlog of bugs that you then sort by priority. If I can't rely on my complaint regarding my product being addressed unless I apparently repeatedly spam it, then there's an issue, and it's not mine. This isn't a new bug. This isn't a new character. And the fact that there's serious bugs means nothing. Noone is demanding that Klei drops everything and fixes these asap. All we're asking is that they commit to actually addressing them at some point, because more than 2 years is kind of a long time for something not to get fixed, yeah? They're more than willing to hold their hand open for Wurt and Wurt skin sales, so it's their responsibility to make sure it works.

Right now I have absolutely no indication that they're committed to fixing it at all. Oh they "might" fix it. If they're feeling generous. Seriously dude. I paid for this character. I paid for this game. I want them to work properly, and right now Klei may as well be putting their fingers in their ears and pretending to be deaf. If they need time to fix it, that's fine. If they have other issues they want to take care of, once again - fine. But if they don't communicate that then there's no difference between committing to do it later and actively ignoring the issue.

2 minutes ago, QuQuasar said:

Something to keep in mind: pigs and merms both use the same follower AI. If pigs teleport home when unloaded, werepig farms will be much less effective because the pigs will all disappear while offscreen and be indoors when you arrive to harvest the farm at nightfall.

Side effects are a thing.

Then split them into different follower AI? Or just make it so if they're within a screen's distance of their home they don't teleport? That's not such a complex issue that it takes 2 years to fix.

Edited October 26, 2021 by Masked Koopa

[Mysterious box]

10 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

Please don’t do that, because then the only bug that gets seen is yours- when other players could have their own bugs that need to be known about. 

Rather unfortunately your bug doesn’t seem to be a high priority on their list of things to fix, and I get that that may frustrate you.. but Klei does things own their own time at their own pace, and on their own schedule.

There is a second QoL still coming.. one JoeW teased as “Substantial” If your bugs do not get addressed with that update- wait and bring it to their attention again later.

We don’t need to spam “fix Wurts Merms and hats” when there are problems like going into a sandstorm during summer crashing the game completely

(the sandstorm bug is being fixed as we speak but it’ll be a few days before we get it)

This is Klei’s Busiest time of Year, we have Hallowed Nights, Terraria November Thing,Wolfgang Rework, WintersFeast & Year of the Tiger..

They're going to be busy for awhile I love Wurt, but her problems aren’t a Priority that need to be fixed ASAP 

The reason this is flawed is because Wurt's issues as far as I know haven't been acknowledged in 2 years but the loyalty exploit was up for less than 48 hours was both acknowledged and fixed I'm not mad that they fixed it or that they didn't immediately fix her huge backlog of bugs but the fact it hasn't even been acknowledged and I'm unsure as to why we're pretending there's only 2 things wrong with Wurt.

[ArubaroBeefalo]

2 hours ago, Masked Koopa said:

That's a very questionable system to say the least. I'm already dubious of the practice of game devs pretty much requiring community support for bugfixes, but to have a bug tracker where there's a real chance that your bug report will be ignored opens it up to being filled with repeat reports for bugs that people are personally invested in. I've already tried bumping one of the reports by replying to it, I've tried bringing it up in suggestions, in a post about wurt's issues, in a post about this bug, and even tried to bring it up with a klei dev on the klei discord. If spamming bug reports is actually approved of and allowed, then I'll do it, but I'm pretty sure Klei has every reason to be aware of it by now.

I dont see why it is questionable

Klei have an agenda and some bugs cant be in that agenda

Bug tracker helps because they cant notice all the bugs. Always having tons of people playing a lot of hours reporting bugs will be faster than having 2 or 3 devs playing non stop to force bugs. They do look after bugs but i guess you can do some math: few devs<tons of nerds

I think that at this point you are just pissed off and not actually thinking what you are writing. Remember that DST is a bussiness and devs need free time and to have a salary thing that would be hard if they expend all the dev time looking for bugs when they can give the tools to the players to help in the cleaning proccess.

Nobody is forcing you to do nothing, if you dont wanna report any bug ok but dont start saying nonsense pls

Edited October 26, 2021 by ArubaroBeefalo

[Masked Koopa]

Just now, ArubaroBeefalo said:

I dont see why it is questionable

Klei have an agenda and some bugs cant be in that agenda

Bug tracker helps because they cant notice all the bugs. Always having tons of people playing a lot of hours reporting bugs will be faster than having 2 or 3 devs playing non stop to force bugs. They do look after bugs but i guess you can do some math: few devs<tons of nerds

I think that at this point you are just pissed off and not actually thinking what you are writing...

Because it relies on users reporting any and all bugs they find, which can result in unintended side effects if the bug ends up being nasty or one the community tries to keep secret. I've seen it far too often where a game ends up being released with a bug that should have been immediately caught in any sort of testing - proper testing is pretty much half of the software engineering degree I'm working towards, in fact. I get that games are not exactly made to be robust, but I think a little more diligence would help a lot of developers out.

Equally, I think it would be beneficial to log any bugs on the bug tracker, and then have am employee quickly sort through them to figure out which ones should be looked at first, and which ones can wait - and to then mark them as WIP, intended, or later update. Right now the Wurt bug is having a negative effect on the majority of Wurt players, as the conditions to trigger it are very easy. But some users won't realize it's a bug, and simply assume that the mermhouses Wurt makes really suck in terms of respawn time, and just... not play her. Or not play the game anymore, worst case. At the very least it might make them more hesitant to buy any future dlc characters klei adds because their experience with wurt was so poor. Or it might not happen, but it's the risk you run with every bug. And aside from that, it also discourages your users from even reporting a bug, since some bugs will just get picked out of the general discussion section and fixed with pretty much zero user demand, while bugs that were properly reported and brought up many times just don't get acknowledged. I'm not placing the blame on any individual developer here mind you, I think it's a case of a lack of proper protocol and more of a systemic issue.

[Captain_Rage]

Very valid points. Nobody expected DST to take off like it did. If Klei had known how their multiplayer Don't Starve game would shape up from the start they probably would have planned the bug triaging a bit differently. xd It is most likely that the bug report system could benefit from an overhaul to streamline workflow, but as people already wrote, the Klei devs are for sure busy with trying to reach the current the roadmap milestones.

It is a good idea to post and even re-post bugs, like @lakhnish says, although getting too vocal about them won't make anything go faster. Maybe Klei will reevaluate the bug report system at the end of the year....? We can only hope they do those sort of things from time to time.

 

[Pikapikap]

1 hour ago, Masked Koopa said:

Because it relies on users reporting any and all bugs they find, which can result in unintended side effects if the bug ends up being nasty or one the community tries to keep secret. I've seen it far too often where a game ends up being released with a bug that should have been immediately caught in any sort of testing - proper testing is pretty much half of the software engineering degree I'm working towards, in fact. I get that games are not exactly made to be robust, but I think a little more diligence would help a lot of developers out.

Equally, I think it would be beneficial to log any bugs on the bug tracker, and then have am employee quickly sort through them to figure out which ones should be looked at first, and which ones can wait - and to then mark them as WIP, intended, or later update. Right now the Wurt bug is having a negative effect on the majority of Wurt players, as the conditions to trigger it are very easy. But some users won't realize it's a bug, and simply assume that the mermhouses Wurt makes really suck in terms of respawn time, and just... not play her. Or not play the game anymore, worst case. At the very least it might make them more hesitant to buy any future dlc characters klei adds because their experience with wurt was so poor. Or it might not happen, but it's the risk you run with every bug. And aside from that, it also discourages your users from even reporting a bug, since some bugs will just get picked out of the general discussion section and fixed with pretty much zero user demand, while bugs that were properly reported and brought up many times just don't get acknowledged. I'm not placing the blame on any individual developer here mind you, I think it's a case of a lack of proper protocol and more of a systemic issue.

[Ohan]

3 hours ago, QuQuasar said:

Something to keep in mind: pigs and merms both use the same follower AI. If pigs teleport home when unloaded, werepig farms will be much less effective because the pigs will all disappear while offscreen and be indoors when you arrive to harvest the farm at nightfall.

Side effects are a thing.

Odd thing to say..

if modders can do it without messing up pigs like electroely has done in their mod 'mini wurt rework' im sure klei can do it too... lol 

its also not just the tam that looks odd on wurt, many hats do because her head is oddly shaped but none of the hats take this into account, the beef hat in particular looks gargantuan on her. all the hats need to be shrunk or something to fit her smaller-than-average head properly

[Szczuku]

Welp Klei... there's only so much space under the rug.

Sooner or later you'll have to start fixing those bugs... or welcome the consequences

[Mysterious box]

6 hours ago, Captain_Rage said:

Very valid points. Nobody expected DST to take off like it did. If Klei had known how their multiplayer Don't Starve game would shape up from the start they probably would have planned the bug triaging a bit differently. xd It is most likely that the bug report system could benefit from an overhaul to streamline workflow, but as people already wrote, the Klei devs are for sure busy with trying to reach the current the roadmap milestones.

It is a good idea to post and even re-post bugs, like @lakhnish says, although getting too vocal about them won't make anything go faster. Maybe Klei will reevaluate the bug report system at the end of the year....? We can only hope they do those sort of things from time to time.

 

While this completely reasonable I just can't accept that Kiel somehow doesn't know about Wurts bugs after both numerous bug reports and people being very vocal about it while also somehow checking the forums often enough to see the loyalty bug and acknowledge it in said post which was posted for less than 24 hours and have the time to fix it in less than 48 hours.