communist meep Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 so i was bored i decided to see if anyone treats there colony like a communist. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/128470-who-runs-there-colony-like-a-communist/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasza22 Posted March 31, 2021 Share Posted March 31, 2021 I`m not 100% sure what you mean by that. If you mean all dupes getting the same food and same bedroom conditions i usually play like that. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/128470-who-runs-there-colony-like-a-communist/#findComment-1443350 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RageLeague Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 Jokes on you, every colony is communist. Unless for some dumb reason you decide to segregate the dupes purposefully. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/128470-who-runs-there-colony-like-a-communist/#findComment-1443409 Share on other sites More sharing options...
goboking Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 3 hours ago, RageLeague said: Unless for some dumb reason you decide to segregate the dupes purposefully. Don't knock it 'till you've tried it. Seriously, a game in which some dupes live lives of luxury while others toil in misery can make for an interesting colony. The haves get to eat the best food, live in clean, comfortable settings, and enjoy artistic and scientific pursuits while the have-nots eat liceloaf, live in squalor, and toil away in the mines or factories. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/128470-who-runs-there-colony-like-a-communist/#findComment-1443441 Share on other sites More sharing options...
furytale Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 12 minutes ago, goboking said: Don't knock it 'till you've tried it. Seriously, a game in which some dupes live lives of luxury while others toil in misery can make for an interesting colony. The haves get to eat the best food, live in clean, comfortable settings, and enjoy artistic and scientific pursuits while the have-nots eat liceloaf, live in squalor, and toil away in the mines or factories. You described capitalism. What would be communism in terms of ONI idk, probably regular executions of dupes for getting stuck or conspiring with pacu. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/128470-who-runs-there-colony-like-a-communist/#findComment-1443444 Share on other sites More sharing options...
camelot Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 Without players intervention (state control), dupes will decide what they eat, where they sleep... based on their preferences, in a non-coercive way. So I will argue that it's truly communism (anarcho-communism to be precise). Otherwise, you intervene by restrict foods, assign beds... then it's a Marxist Leninist colony, not a communist one Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/128470-who-runs-there-colony-like-a-communist/#findComment-1443448 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SharraShimada Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 Because dupes have no free will (they will starve to death, rather than cook something without any orders to do so.They wont dig themself out of anything, even if they could... ), there is just no social system in place at all. Sorry to bust bubbles Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/128470-who-runs-there-colony-like-a-communist/#findComment-1443460 Share on other sites More sharing options...
babba Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 Pressing the rocket button "Launch now" as dupes are running around under the engines is still satisfying, at least that still feels "real" in the dlc. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/128470-who-runs-there-colony-like-a-communist/#findComment-1443500 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omdev Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 The slogan of communism is "from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs." According to this, all oni games are communist)) (Until KLEI makes a trade and cooperative)) (P.S. Russian anecdote: "Communism has come. Announcement in the store:" there is no need for black caviar today") Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/128470-who-runs-there-colony-like-a-communist/#findComment-1443512 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurgel Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 13 hours ago, communist meep said: so i was bored i decided to see if anyone treats there colony like a communist. You mean with labor-camps and random executions and eternal shortages of everything? Naaa. I like my dupes to know when I am angry with them! (Yes, I know that is the Stalinist version.) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/128470-who-runs-there-colony-like-a-communist/#findComment-1443517 Share on other sites More sharing options...
M4ndatory Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 Isn't funny how capitalism bring gaming companies to create games that shows how communism is the better way to achieve a sustainable way of living? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/128470-who-runs-there-colony-like-a-communist/#findComment-1443538 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yunru Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 42 minutes ago, M4ndatory said: Isn't funny how capitalism bring gaming companies to create games that shows how communism is the better way to achieve a sustainable way of living? Yeah, if we were dupes. It's an apples to moonrock comparison. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/128470-who-runs-there-colony-like-a-communist/#findComment-1443546 Share on other sites More sharing options...
babba Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 29 minutes ago, Yunru said: Yeah, if we were dupes. It's an apples to moonrock comparison. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/128470-who-runs-there-colony-like-a-communist/#findComment-1443555 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meltdown Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Yunru said: Yeah, if we were dupes. It's an apples to moonrock comparison. But dupes are humans. Yes, cloned, modified, undergone procedures to accelerate juvenility, and ultimately instantly printed into existence instead of being born or grown. However, they are based on humans, and their transition is not that radical to make them incomarably different. I would say they are a variation of post-humans. In that case, maybe communism is just reserved for advanced, post-human societies? Sure, we still are not dupes, but who knows if that would be true for future generations? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/128470-who-runs-there-colony-like-a-communist/#findComment-1443563 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurgel Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 2 hours ago, Yunru said: Yeah, if we were dupes. Or The Borg. 3 hours ago, M4ndatory said: Isn't funny how capitalism bring gaming companies to create games that shows how communism is the better way to achieve a sustainable way of living? Capitalism is deeply flawed, same communism or really all known systems for organizing a large-scale society. We really only have a choice between "bad" and "worse" at this time. Humanity will have to get inventive at some time in the not too distant future, because things really cannot go on like this much longer (meaning the whole world). 1 hour ago, Meltdown said: But dupes are humans. Well yes, if you mostly take away free will and independent intelligence (which only about 15% of real humans have or use, but that makes all the difference). Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/128470-who-runs-there-colony-like-a-communist/#findComment-1443596 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RageLeague Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 Most importantly, your colony population is very small, so a dupe cannot cannot screw each other over without it backfiring on them. As your colony gets more stable and has more people, people can afford to work for their own benefits without causing it to backfire. As such, communism is more likely to be achieved with fewer people, as people are more willing to work together to survive. Also, capitalism can't be achieved in ONI as there is no concept of private ownership and trade. You can assign tables and beds to one particular dupes, and that's about it. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/128470-who-runs-there-colony-like-a-communist/#findComment-1443607 Share on other sites More sharing options...
babba Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 44 minutes ago, Gurgel said: Or The Borg. ... New dupe endgame alien race with the name "Dork", travelling in the mighty "Dork Cube" at light speed @minespatch ...Originating from the galaxy quadrant "Dorken" THE"" Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/128470-who-runs-there-colony-like-a-communist/#findComment-1443608 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurgel Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 17 minutes ago, babba said: New dupe endgame alien race with the name "Dork", travelling in the mighty "Dork Cube" at light speed... Obviously, that will be a "Dork Square" they travel in, since the Dupeverse is only 2D. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/128470-who-runs-there-colony-like-a-communist/#findComment-1443615 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yunru Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Gurgel said: Well yes, if you mostly take away free will and independent intelligence (which only about 15% of real humans have or use, but that makes all the difference). And also, this being a key difference, a need for motivation. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/128470-who-runs-there-colony-like-a-communist/#findComment-1443621 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurgel Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Yunru said: And also, this being a key difference, a need for motivation. Very true. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/128470-who-runs-there-colony-like-a-communist/#findComment-1443749 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeDeum Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 All colonies are communist. Dupes don't get paid, do not have personal belongings or any property, they just work and get food. They often sleep in common bedroom. Even if they have separate bedroom, it's not their property, as if The Party will decide to build nuclear plant here, they will be moved. They can't even decide, should they shower, or not, The Party knows better. And a lot of space stuff, they proud, that they can fly into the space) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/128470-who-runs-there-colony-like-a-communist/#findComment-1443752 Share on other sites More sharing options...
n_t_p Posted April 1, 2021 Share Posted April 1, 2021 troll thread 5 hours ago, TeDeum said: All colonies are communist. Dupes don't get paid, do not have personal belongings or any property, they just work and get food. They often sleep in common bedroom. Even if they have separate bedroom, it's not their property, as if The Party will decide to build nuclear plant here, they will be moved. They can't even decide, should they shower, or not, The Party knows better. And a lot of space stuff, they proud, that they can fly into space) Communism allows for the ownership of personal property. You don't have to share a toothbrush dude you just can't employ labor to toil while you sit on your butt Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/128470-who-runs-there-colony-like-a-communist/#findComment-1444083 Share on other sites More sharing options...
minespatch Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 13 hours ago, babba said: New dupe endgame alien race with the name "Dork", travelling in the mighty "Dork Cube" at light speed @minespatch ...Originating from the galaxy quadrant "Dorken" THE"" Found the enemy. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/128470-who-runs-there-colony-like-a-communist/#findComment-1444287 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeDeum Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 15 hours ago, n_t_p said: Communism allows for the ownership of personal property. You are probably right. But "no money" is indeed an ultimate goal for communism, and this fenomenon feels pretty ONI. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/128470-who-runs-there-colony-like-a-communist/#findComment-1444517 Share on other sites More sharing options...
babba Posted April 2, 2021 Share Posted April 2, 2021 28 minutes ago, TeDeum said: You are probably right. But "no money" is indeed an ultimate goal for communism, and this fenomenon feels pretty ONI. I suggested a coin stamping factory machine in the past. As alternative...One player could exchange his plastic for another players fuel ( as example ). A chip manufacturing process chain would also be great. Once we produce our own chips in the game, we can make it run faster. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/128470-who-runs-there-colony-like-a-communist/#findComment-1444526 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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