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3 hours ago, RageLeague said:

Unless for some dumb reason you decide to segregate the dupes purposefully.

Don't knock it 'till you've tried it. 

Seriously, a game in which some dupes live lives of luxury while others toil in misery can make for an interesting colony.  The haves get to eat the best food, live in clean, comfortable settings, and enjoy artistic and scientific pursuits while the have-nots eat liceloaf, live in squalor, and toil away in the mines or factories.

12 minutes ago, goboking said:

Don't knock it 'till you've tried it. 

Seriously, a game in which some dupes live lives of luxury while others toil in misery can make for an interesting colony.  The haves get to eat the best food, live in clean, comfortable settings, and enjoy artistic and scientific pursuits while the have-nots eat liceloaf, live in squalor, and toil away in the mines or factories.

 

You described capitalism. What would be communism in terms of ONI idk, probably regular executions of dupes for getting stuck or conspiring with pacu.

Without players intervention (state control), dupes will decide what they eat, where they sleep... based on their preferences, in a non-coercive way. So I will argue that it's truly communism (anarcho-communism to be precise). Otherwise, you intervene by restrict foods, assign beds... then it's a Marxist Leninist colony, not a communist one

 

Because dupes have no free will (they will starve to death, rather than cook something without any orders to do so.They wont dig themself out of anything, even if they could... ), there is just no social system in place at all. Sorry to bust bubbles ;) 

The slogan of communism is "from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs."
According to this, all oni games are communist))

(Until KLEI makes a trade and cooperative))

(P.S. Russian anecdote: "Communism has come. Announcement in the store:" there is no need for black caviar today")

13 hours ago, communist meep said:

so i was bored i decided to see if anyone treats there colony like a communist.

You mean with labor-camps and random executions and eternal shortages of everything? Naaa. I like my dupes to know when I am angry with them!

(Yes, I know that is the Stalinist version.)

42 minutes ago, M4ndatory said:

Isn't funny how capitalism bring gaming companies to create games that shows how communism is the better way to achieve a sustainable way of living?

Yeah, if we were dupes. 

It's an apples to moonrock comparison. 

1 hour ago, Yunru said:

Yeah, if we were dupes. 

It's an apples to moonrock comparison.

But dupes are humans. Yes, cloned, modified, undergone procedures to accelerate juvenility, and ultimately instantly printed into existence instead of being born or grown. However, they are based on humans, and their transition is not that radical to make them incomarably different.

I would say they are a variation of post-humans. In that case, maybe communism is just reserved for advanced, post-human societies? Sure, we still are not dupes, but who knows if that would be true for future generations?

2 hours ago, Yunru said:

Yeah, if we were dupes. 

Or The Borg.

3 hours ago, M4ndatory said:

Isn't funny how capitalism bring gaming companies to create games that shows how communism is the better way to achieve a sustainable way of living?

Capitalism is deeply flawed, same communism or really all known systems for organizing a large-scale society. We really only have a choice between "bad" and "worse" at this time. Humanity will have to get inventive at some time in the not too distant future, because things really cannot go on like this much longer (meaning the whole world).

1 hour ago, Meltdown said:

But dupes are humans.

Well yes, if you mostly take away free will and independent intelligence (which only about 15% of real humans have or use, but that makes all the difference).

Most importantly, your colony population is very small, so a dupe cannot cannot screw each other over without it backfiring on them. As your colony gets more stable and has more people, people can afford to work for their own benefits without causing it to backfire. As such, communism is more likely to be achieved with fewer people, as people are more willing to work together to survive.

Also, capitalism can't be achieved in ONI as there is no concept of private ownership and trade. You can assign tables and beds to one particular dupes, and that's about it.

1 hour ago, Gurgel said:

Well yes, if you mostly take away free will and independent intelligence (which only about 15% of real humans have or use, but that makes all the difference).

And also, this being a key difference, a need for motivation. 

All colonies are communist. Dupes don't get paid, do not have personal belongings or any property, they just work and get food. They often sleep in common bedroom. Even if they have separate bedroom, it's not their property, as if The Party will decide to build nuclear plant here, they will be moved. They can't even decide, should they shower, or not, The Party knows better. And a lot of space stuff, they proud, that they can fly into the space)

troll thread

 

5 hours ago, TeDeum said:

All colonies are communist. Dupes don't get paid, do not have personal belongings or any property, they just work and get food. They often sleep in common bedroom. Even if they have separate bedroom, it's not their property, as if The Party will decide to build nuclear plant here, they will be moved. They can't even decide, should they shower, or not, The Party knows better. And a lot of space stuff, they proud, that they can fly into space)

Communism allows for the ownership of personal property. You don't have to share a toothbrush dude you just can't employ labor to toil while you sit on your butt

28 minutes ago, TeDeum said:

You are probably right. But "no money" is indeed an ultimate goal for communism, and this fenomenon feels pretty ONI.

I suggested a coin stamping factory machine in the past. As alternative...One player could exchange his plastic for another players fuel ( as example ).

A chip manufacturing process chain would also be great. Once we produce our own chips in the game, we can make it run faster.

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