Gurgel Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 Seems like an easy question, but since Abyssalite is not available anymore, I always get "Cold Damage", and while the pipe heats up, it is down to a low temperature after repair again. Do I just have to repair and repair again until I get the new super-insulators? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96944-what-pipes-to-use-for-liquid-glass-solved/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
InternetGuy Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 insulated pipe, preferably with materials not abbysalite with high melting point. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96944-what-pipes-to-use-for-liquid-glass-solved/#findComment-1098654 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhailRaptor Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 This is happening because the Glass is transforming from a liquid to a solid inside the pipe. You need to use a stronger insulator for the pipes, which should also be Insulated Pipes. So you will probably want to build the Insulated Pipes out of Ceramic, at least until you have reached Space Age materials through the Molecular Forge, where you can make the new industrial insulator material (what's it called, exactly?) from Abyssalite and materials collected from other planetoids. You can also build the Insulated Pipes inside Insulated Tiles. This will further slow down the rate of heat transfer. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96944-what-pipes-to-use-for-liquid-glass-solved/#findComment-1098656 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitroturtle Posted October 18, 2018 Share Posted October 18, 2018 Try putting insulated tiles over the pipe. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96944-what-pipes-to-use-for-liquid-glass-solved/#findComment-1098662 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurgel Posted October 19, 2018 Author Share Posted October 19, 2018 Sorry, in particular isolated ceramic pipes do _not_ work. That was the first thing I tried before asking here. Putting an insulated tile over the place were the breakage does happen is also impossible as that is still in the glass-forge building area Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96944-what-pipes-to-use-for-liquid-glass-solved/#findComment-1098686 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shanemadden Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 14 minutes ago, Gurgel said: Sorry, in particular isolated ceramic pipes do _not_ work. That was the first thing I tried before asking here. Putting an insulated tile over the place were the breakage does happen is also impossible as that is still in the glass-forge building area Can you post a screenshot of your setup? Insulated ceramic has been working fine for glass on the test branch for me. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96944-what-pipes-to-use-for-liquid-glass-solved/#findComment-1098693 Share on other sites More sharing options...
neoazureus Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 Same for me, insulated pipes with ceramic work fine in my setup Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96944-what-pipes-to-use-for-liquid-glass-solved/#findComment-1098713 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancar Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 Also, try and make said pipe fairly short to limit the time the glass will lose heat. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96944-what-pipes-to-use-for-liquid-glass-solved/#findComment-1098880 Share on other sites More sharing options...
avc15 Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 If you can't build insulated pipes behind an insulated tile because of space constraints, you should re-think your design. Also, set up your system so that the hot liquid doesn't stand idle in those pipes, ever. You don't want to allow time for heat to transfer out. Molten glass in the pipe should move continuously towards its destination with no delays. 1 hour ago, Lancar said: Also, try and make said pipe fairly short to limit the time the glass will lose heat. That too. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96944-what-pipes-to-use-for-liquid-glass-solved/#findComment-1098897 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurgel Posted October 19, 2018 Author Share Posted October 19, 2018 Well, here is the design. Does not get any simpler. I am beginning to suspect I trigger some bug here, maybe because it is in space. The glass forge is ceramic, the pipe is isolated ceramic and the pipe that breaks is the one directly behind the glass forge. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96944-what-pipes-to-use-for-liquid-glass-solved/#findComment-1098917 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancar Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 7 minutes ago, Gurgel said: Well, here is the design. Does not get any simpler. I am beginning to suspect I trigger some bug here, maybe because it is in space. The glass forge is ceramic, the pipe is isolated ceramic and the pipe that breaks is the one directly behind the glass forge. Welp. I'm stumped Looks like a bug to me. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96944-what-pipes-to-use-for-liquid-glass-solved/#findComment-1098921 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wachunga Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 The problem is likely a combination of the tile directly below the red "No Fabrications Queued" symbol not being insulated ceramic and the puddle of liquid above that tile. Mostly the liquid though. Molten glass stored in the forge acts as if it's in the tile with the power input. So it transfers heat very well with any liquid in that tile and somewhat well with the solid tile below. This has probably caused the molten glass in the forge to become supercooled below it's freezing point. As soon as it enters a pipe, that section of pipe breaks regardless of what it's made out of. Try cooling the forge with gas instead of liquid, gas should suck heat out of the molten glass less quickly while still cooling the forge. Alternately you can replace that middle tile with a mesh tile with one empty tile below the mesh, this should prevent any liquid sitting there sucking heat out of the glass. Liquid to either side of the mesh will cool the forge. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96944-what-pipes-to-use-for-liquid-glass-solved/#findComment-1098928 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasza22 Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Gurgel said: Well, here is the design. Does not get any simpler. I am beginning to suspect I trigger some bug here, maybe because it is in space. The glass forge is ceramic, the pipe is isolated ceramic and the pipe that breaks is the one directly behind the glass forge. Ok i know exactly what is happening here. It`s not the pipe. it could be insulated abyssalite and it would still break. Why? Beacause the water on the ground interacts with the glass forge interior (for some reason) and cools down the glass before it even reaches the pipe. You`ll get dupes scalding, a lot of steam and breaking pipes unless you get rid of the water from the ground. There can`t be any liquid under the forge or it breaks. You might have to deconstruct the forge and rebuild it as well possibly. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96944-what-pipes-to-use-for-liquid-glass-solved/#findComment-1098954 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurgel Posted October 19, 2018 Author Share Posted October 19, 2018 22 minutes ago, wachunga said: If this is the problem, you can replace that tile with insulated ceramic and empty storage on the forge. Afterwards it should be fine. Thanks, that the glass gets cooled in the forge was the problem. I did not suspect that at all. As this is in space, I placed the forge into 100kg/tile of pwater for cooling and that also cools the glass in the forge as well. Remove the water and it works, except that then the forge overheats after a while. I will just have to find some other way to cool it, probably will have to move it out of space for that. 1 minute ago, Sasza22 said: Ok i know exactly what is happening here. It`s not the pipe. it could be insulated abyssalite and it would still break. Why? Beacause the water on the ground interacts with the glass forge interior (for some reason) and cools down the glass before it even reaches the pipe. Yes, figured that out as well now. I will actually have to remove the forge from space as it cannot really be cooled there, it seems. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96944-what-pipes-to-use-for-liquid-glass-solved/#findComment-1098957 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wachunga Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 I think I edited my post after you read it. Theoretically you can still use liquid to cool the forge, moving it into atmosphere might be simpler though. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96944-what-pipes-to-use-for-liquid-glass-solved/#findComment-1098960 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tzionut Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 your problem "the forge is in vacuum". I put mine in polluted oxygen atmosphere, and i use ceramic isolated pipe. No problem until now. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96944-what-pipes-to-use-for-liquid-glass-solved/#findComment-1098962 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurgel Posted October 19, 2018 Author Share Posted October 19, 2018 Just decided to run it until it nearly overheats, then put it in pwater to cool it. Remove the water before running it again. Works well. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96944-what-pipes-to-use-for-liquid-glass-solved/#findComment-1098977 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nets Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Gurgel said: Just decided to run it until it nearly overheats, then put it in pwater to cool it. Remove the water before running it again. Works well. What material did you make the Glass Forge out of? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96944-what-pipes-to-use-for-liquid-glass-solved/#findComment-1099006 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMFan79 Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 It's not about the forge cooling. I've made an insulated room with radiant pipes that keep the temp under zero. Pipes never broke. Might be a bug caused by the liquid. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96944-what-pipes-to-use-for-liquid-glass-solved/#findComment-1099007 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejams Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 It's not the forge cooling (read what people said). As far as I understand - the problem is that things inside machines interact with the environment as if they were sitting on the ground. If the ground tile they interact with is not insulated, the contents will transfer heat - in his case, the tile further transferred to the poluted water, so the glass inside the forge was cooling down too quickly. EDIT: Oh and BTW, building contents don't t transfer heat (or transfer it very slowly) with the building itself so the temperature of the Glass forge itself is irrelevant. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96944-what-pipes-to-use-for-liquid-glass-solved/#findComment-1099023 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurgel Posted October 19, 2018 Author Share Posted October 19, 2018 2 hours ago, nets said: What material did you make the Glass Forge out of? Ceramic Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96944-what-pipes-to-use-for-liquid-glass-solved/#findComment-1099097 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shanemadden Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 Mop the floor, dump the glass into a dedicated cooling pond a few segments away instead of on the floor, keep the glass forge cool with gas around it instead of making cooling difficult in a vacuum? This build doesn't need to be complex. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96944-what-pipes-to-use-for-liquid-glass-solved/#findComment-1099133 Share on other sites More sharing options...
0xFADE Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 Should be the same thing as using non insulated abyssalite pipes for lox. The pipes would break because the lox transferred heat in to the pipe itself. You will need to use a stronger insulator. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96944-what-pipes-to-use-for-liquid-glass-solved/#findComment-1099155 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chemie Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 I run forge in ice biome. Solved Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96944-what-pipes-to-use-for-liquid-glass-solved/#findComment-1099199 Share on other sites More sharing options...
heckubis Posted October 19, 2018 Share Posted October 19, 2018 depends have you looked at the stats on obsidian as a building material lately ? silly high melting point decent thermal rates. wana use liquid glass as a heat source for steam? obsidian. wana build a a furnace that can handle molten lava obsidian . Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96944-what-pipes-to-use-for-liquid-glass-solved/#findComment-1099342 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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