he77789 Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 Hi! As we can see the most useful things are the unrenewable things. Abyssalite. It melts into tungsten but no recipies from the tungsten??? Raw Metals. I know it is mentioned fairly much, but maybe we can have something to be reverse of rock crusher, from sand and refined metal to raw metal? Wheezeworts. People say it is OP if it were breedable, but maybe make them larger (2x2?) and require direct sunlight and temp <50K to grow? Thats a great nerf for that. Yeah and that concludes this post. Any ideas? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/93275-the-most-useful-things-are-the-only-unrenewable-things/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotuck Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 If everything was renewable the game would get boring real fast Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/93275-the-most-useful-things-are-the-only-unrenewable-things/#findComment-1061214 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilalaunekuh Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 5 minutes ago, Neotuck said: If everything was renewable the game would get boring real fast I would like to have at least one way to create everything, BUT there needs to be a big downside attached: - Maybe you want more tungsten, why not smelt your abyssalite ... (both are unrenewable) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/93275-the-most-useful-things-are-the-only-unrenewable-things/#findComment-1061217 Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenpheonix632 Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 there is literally so much raw metal, abyssalite and whezeworts you shouldn't need more Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/93275-the-most-useful-things-are-the-only-unrenewable-things/#findComment-1061253 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndreyKl Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 2 hours ago, he77789 said: Wheezeworts It might be not renewable but it also is not 'consumable'. Making it renewable will be OP simply because it will kill the need to do heat management. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/93275-the-most-useful-things-are-the-only-unrenewable-things/#findComment-1061274 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurgel Posted July 9, 2018 Share Posted July 9, 2018 I think material availability is just fine as it is. Yes, that includes Lime. Some thing in the game are unbalanced, but this is not. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/93275-the-most-useful-things-are-the-only-unrenewable-things/#findComment-1061291 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chemie Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 9 hours ago, he77789 said: Hi! As we can see the most useful things are the unrenewable things. Abyssalite. It melts into tungsten but no recipies from the tungsten??? Doesn't wolframite melt to tungsten? and it can be used for high conductive pipes? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/93275-the-most-useful-things-are-the-only-unrenewable-things/#findComment-1061528 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilalaunekuh Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 44 minutes ago, chemie said: Doesn't wolframite melt to tungsten? Wolframite and abyssalite melt into tungsten, but melting abyssalite is a bit more effort^^ Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/93275-the-most-useful-things-are-the-only-unrenewable-things/#findComment-1061553 Share on other sites More sharing options...
he77789 Posted July 10, 2018 Author Share Posted July 10, 2018 Abyssalite melts at 3421.9 C, less than steel... Go try refine all raw metals in a map and try building a mesh door. Then you know what it means by the lack of raw metals. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/93275-the-most-useful-things-are-the-only-unrenewable-things/#findComment-1061571 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLance Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 6 hours ago, he77789 said: Abyssalite melts at 3421.9 C, less than steel... Go try refine all raw metals in a map and try building a mesh door. Then you know what it means by the lack of raw metals. Ehhhh would take me a few thousand cycles to refine all of my metal (Bigger map) XD but with volcanoes giving you refined metal and it falling from the sky you should not need to refine all the raw metals, and I am sure there would still be tonnes left even if u build all your designs etc. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/93275-the-most-useful-things-are-the-only-unrenewable-things/#findComment-1061688 Share on other sites More sharing options...
he77789 Posted July 10, 2018 Author Share Posted July 10, 2018 Use the usual 256x314(? I forgot the exact size of the vanilla map). I am sure 1/3 is non solid and 1/10 are the ores. Assuming an average mass of 500kg per tile, it is just 256x314/3/10*500=80384/30*500=1339733 1/3kg. 1 airflow is 100kg of raw metal, so it is just mere 13397 airflow tiles, don't forget the suits(using the copper ore only from start biome, which is 1/10 of the total ores), doors and other things. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/93275-the-most-useful-things-are-the-only-unrenewable-things/#findComment-1061737 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLance Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 a mere 13397.... enought to put a barrier of them around the entire asteroid and still have a couple of thousand left XD Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/93275-the-most-useful-things-are-the-only-unrenewable-things/#findComment-1061739 Share on other sites More sharing options...
he77789 Posted July 10, 2018 Author Share Posted July 10, 2018 Suits stack on ground... see how much suits you can make in 1 world...that leaves us with 9/10 of the metal left. 13397-1339.7=12057... PS try a 200 dupe fully suited base Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/93275-the-most-useful-things-are-the-only-unrenewable-things/#findComment-1061741 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLance Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 I am at 28 suits at the moment, gonna be a long time till i get to 200! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/93275-the-most-useful-things-are-the-only-unrenewable-things/#findComment-1061744 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyMonroe Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 13 minutes ago, he77789 said: Suits stack on ground... see how much suits you can make in 1 world...that leaves us with 9/10 of the metal left. 13397-1339.7=12057... PS try a 200 dupe fully suited base I'm not sure this is a fair example. I can push any resource, renewable or not, to its upper limit. I could easily say 'try sustaining 300 dupes on 2 steam geysers and no volcanos or 'try building 82,000 tiles on a vanilla map.' The game is fairly consistent in that anything renewable is consumable and anything non renewable is non consumable. Renewables are limited by throughput and non renewables are limited by availability. I don't see a problem here. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/93275-the-most-useful-things-are-the-only-unrenewable-things/#findComment-1061747 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpy Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 wolframite = tungsten(wolfram-sounds like a gaming brand RAM) mineral The more you know! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/93275-the-most-useful-things-are-the-only-unrenewable-things/#findComment-1061825 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cilya Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 I also had this problem with raw metals around cycle 400. It was terrifying. I destroyed all my refineries but one for steel production and I use mostly the iron from space. I replaced all my electrical cable with conductive ones to get back a bit of raw metal, and I don't have much more raw metal to mine on the map. I hope I didn't refined too much already ! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/93275-the-most-useful-things-are-the-only-unrenewable-things/#findComment-1061833 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLance Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 15 minutes ago, Cilya said: I also had this problem with raw metals around cycle 400. It was terrifying. I destroyed all my refineries but one for steel production and I use mostly the iron from space. I replaced all my electrical cable with conductive ones to get back a bit of raw metal, and I don't have much more raw metal to mine on the map. I hope I didn't refined too much already ! It is my mantra to Never build with copper (Except at the beggining) refine all my gold amalgam and build everything else from iron. I should change this around though so that I dont accidently use my gold needed in high temp areas Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/93275-the-most-useful-things-are-the-only-unrenewable-things/#findComment-1061843 Share on other sites More sharing options...
watermelen671 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 12 hours ago, Lilalaunekuh said: Wolframite and abyssalite melt into tungsten, but melting abyssalite is a bit more effort^^ I remember someone saying that stuff melting into tungsten is a temp result of a change in the state of matter. Spoiler I think I phrased that wrong...lemme try again. Abyssalite melting into tungsten is just a temporary result, a placeholder until the devs add in more melted stuff. That still sounded wrong, but that's the best I can manage I'm afraid. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/93275-the-most-useful-things-are-the-only-unrenewable-things/#findComment-1061849 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariilyn Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 4 hours ago, BlueLance said: It is my mantra to Never build with copper (Except at the beggining) refine all my gold amalgam and build everything else from iron. I tend to keep my gold amalgam because it is the only raw metal that gives an overheat temperature bonus. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/93275-the-most-useful-things-are-the-only-unrenewable-things/#findComment-1062011 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megouski Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 On 7/9/2018 at 8:37 AM, Neotuck said: If everything was renewable the game would get boring real fast 1000000% untrue. Minecraft for example, game was loved by tens of millions, amazing when modded everything is renewable to some degree. THE KEY IS 2 THINGS 1. Rarity 2. Rewarding ingenuity and design with deliberate access to that rarity. Things should be earned, even renewable things via hard work, clever machines and proper dupe leveling. Klei should really look to big brother games Modded Minecraft and Factorio to see what methods work and what doesnt. They have a beautiful and unique game on their hands the last thing they need to do is deny any access to resource. Make it difficult, not impossible. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/93275-the-most-useful-things-are-the-only-unrenewable-things/#findComment-1062270 Share on other sites More sharing options...
he77789 Posted July 11, 2018 Author Share Posted July 11, 2018 Then... Do you really think newbs know that they should conserve copper ore??? What a BIG noob trap. Until they make copper ore renewable or allow us to make suits with other ores. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/93275-the-most-useful-things-are-the-only-unrenewable-things/#findComment-1062275 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotuck Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Megouski said: 1000000% untrue. Kinda overselling it there but I do see your point Not a fan of mods myself but I know lots of other players love em' Klei has proven to listen to players here on the forum so I'm sure they are working hard to balance the game so players get the most enjoyment 2 hours ago, Megouski said: 2. Rewarding ingenuity and design with deliberate access to that rarity. I'm not sure what you mean, If for an example some one finds out how to make a build that farms rare resource we should be rewarded by no longer making that resource rare? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/93275-the-most-useful-things-are-the-only-unrenewable-things/#findComment-1062290 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parusoid Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 On 9.07.2018 at 5:13 PM, he77789 said: Hi! As we can see the most useful things are the unrenewable things. Abyssalite. It melts into tungsten but no recipies from the tungsten??? Raw Metals. I know it is mentioned fairly much, but maybe we can have something to be reverse of rock crusher, from sand and refined metal to raw metal? Wheezeworts. People say it is OP if it were breedable, but maybe make them larger (2x2?) and require direct sunlight and temp <50K to grow? Thats a great nerf for that. Yeah and that concludes this post. Any ideas? Since when abbysalite melts? Into tungsten?! Wolframite does that Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/93275-the-most-useful-things-are-the-only-unrenewable-things/#findComment-1062301 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLance Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 Abyssalite has always done it from what I am aware, Also if some new player were to use all their copper they can deconstruct stuff that used it, or if they refined it they can survive without exo suits. It isnt the end of the world. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/93275-the-most-useful-things-are-the-only-unrenewable-things/#findComment-1062312 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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