steam turbine Occupational Upgrade Steam Turbine

[Kasuha]

24 minutes ago, R9MX4 said:

Magma can heat steam to far hotter than the requirement of temperature, which means a great quantity heat is wasted.

This is the first time I read about 'waste of heat' in context of ONI, so far we were always concerned about getting rid of it

As is, the steam turbine serves as 'heat obliteration' machine. I think it safely takes care of all our concerns about cooling geyser water.

[Guest]

So let me get this this straight: the only way currently to get this working properly is through magma?

Yeah... gonna pass on that one.

[Vectrobe]

8 minutes ago, Kasuha said:

This is the first time I read about 'waste of heat' in context of ONI, so far we were always concerned about getting rid of it

As is, the steam turbine serves as 'heat obliteration' machine. I think it safely takes care of all our concerns about cooling geyser water.

except currently only lava can get it hot enough to actually work and 'void' the heat though...

1 hour ago, Kabrute said:

It could be argued that atomically both temperature and pressure share characteristics of velocity

All three are a result of present energy, yes, velocity is motion energy, of which the same energy is present without large-mass velocity in the form of the particles vibrating in place and bouncing off eachother, of which is pressure and heat. Sudden changes in pressure create following velocity (such as spirals and waves), and also pressurising gas inside an object causes the particles to bounce off the object, transferring their energy and allowing the energy to be transferred elsewhere.

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22 minutes ago, Kasuha said:

This is the first time I read about 'waste of heat' in context of ONI, so far we were always concerned about getting rid of it

As is, the steam turbine serves as 'heat obliteration' machine. I think it safely takes care of all our concerns about cooling geyser water.

ST

power: +2000W

heat elimination: at least 3134kw      (525-450)K*4.179kJ/kg/K*10kg/s

aquatuner

power: -1200w

heat transference: less than 840kw      14K*6kJ/kg/K*10kg/s

 

Pay electricity and eliminate heat. If there is no overheat, it will be a good deal for me.
Only if there is no overheat...

[BlueLance]

You can bug the tepidizer to get steam, instead of using magma sure, it would cause it to get super hot, but its allowed to get hot. 

Just thinking about another experience I can possibly make a design which boils water, So I will have a tinker with that tonight, "IF" it works, then power wise you are looking at 240W of power used to gain steam. But it wouldn't be worth it if the Steam turbine still eats the steam 

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20 minutes ago, BlueLance said:

it wouldn't be worth it if the Steam turbine still eats the steam 

ST doesn't eat steam now. It eats temperature, from ≥525K to 450K.

Tepidizer won't be helpful because we need to heat steam from 450K to at least 525K.

[BlueLance]

13 minutes ago, R9MX4 said:

ST doesn't eat steam now. It eats temperature, from ≥525K to 450K.

Tepidizer won't be helpful because we need to heat steam from 450K to at least 525K.

Ehhh isnt that like over 200 degrees celcius? That is kinda broken if it is.

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Just now, BlueLance said:

Ehhh isnt that like over 200 degrees celcius? That is kinda broken if it is.

output=450K=176.85C

input>525K=251.85C

[Saturnus]

I can't check at the moment but what is the highest temperature we can get out of a metal refinery coolant?

[BlueLance]

Ugh that high kinda kills my passive heating solution.... I know it can get to over 140 degrees celcius but that high is almost impossible for it to get to

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7 minutes ago, Saturnus said:

I can't check at the moment but what is the highest temperature we can get out of a metal refinery coolant?

I guess it depends on what kind of liquid you use and it's easy to get a temperature higher than 252 degrees from metal refinery.

But ST eliminates heat at an amazing speed, 3134kw. If I am not miscalculating, to provide enough heat, you need refine 4600kg iron ore, or 7800kg copper ore, or 23700kg gold amalgam each second.

[Saturnus]

10 minutes ago, R9MX4 said:

I guess it depends on what kind of liquid you use and it's easy to get a temperature higher than 252 degrees from metal refinery.

But ST eliminates heat at an amazing speed, 3134kw. If I am not miscalculating, to provide enough heat, you need refine 4600kg iron ore, or 7800kg copper ore, or 23700kg gold amalgam each second.

Also did some rough calculation with magma, and I think we can pretty safely write off the steam turbine as an option at the moment. It simply destroys too much heat.

Even with best practice and recirculating the steam using door compressors the demand for heat means you'd run out of accessible magma on the map in maximum 200-300 cycles or so.

Renewable energy, my a***.

[Guest]

11 minutes ago, Saturnus said:

Also did some rough calculation with magma, and I think we can pretty safely write off the steam turbine as an option at the moment. It simply destroys too much heat.

From a game balance point it does destroy too much heat but I'd argue it also requires too much heat in the first place. I believe the highest temperature a device can go without consumption of finite resources is the thermo aqua tuner at 175 *C.

If it was just steam that was required which then would cool down to hot water while also delivering less power, I think that would be doable. Say it produces 800W. Now you could go creative with it and use it in synergy with for instance aqua tuners, damping the power requirement from the aquatuner. So the ST would be a great support device rather than something overpowered or unusable.

[Exa]

Klei right now: "Ahaha, it was a good idea to release the steam turbines before the rest of the Nuclear Upgrade, see how they try to figure out how to use it XD"

[BlueLance]

11 minutes ago, Exa said:

Klei right now: "Ahaha, it was a good idea to release the steam turbines before the rest of the Nuclear Upgrade, see how they try to figure out how to use it XD"

Funnily enough I don't doubt that, some stuff has little use but will have more use as more content is added, this is indeed a use that will become more widely used. If it comes, but again, nuclear material would be finite essentially and we also have no idea if they have plans to introduce it at all (That i am aware of I dont watch the twitch streams)

[Guest]

20 minutes ago, BlueLance said:

Funnily enough I don't doubt that, some stuff has little use but will have more use as more content is added, this is indeed a use that will become more widely used. If it comes, but again, nuclear material would be finite essentially and we also have no idea if they have plans to introduce it at all (That i am aware of I dont watch the twitch streams)

Still waiting for the update that makes the hydrofan awesome.

[Saturnus]

I got the thing running now on 2kg/s at about 270C stable by blocking all but the center tile. It says input blocked but works.

Interestingly the Borg Cube has no trouble keeping up condensing the steam.

[midjones]

13 minutes ago, Saturnus said:

I got the thing running now on 2kg/s at about 270C stable by blocking all but the center tile. It says input blocked but works.

Interestingly the Borg Cube has no trouble keeping up condensing the steam.

That looks so pretty. Great design. That's a lot of magma to carry by hand, though.

I wonder if this could be built above the natural pools of magma by blocking all but the center tile

[chromiumboy]

They could just make the turbine a structure that is built over a steam geyser (like an oil well)... Huge amounts of power, in exchange for less fresh water

[Kabrute]

which makes the turbine completely pointless as atleast you get the oxygen out of an electrolizer setup, properly built you get the power to :/

[Lifegrow]

1 hour ago, Saturnus said:

I got the thing running now on 2kg/s at about 270C stable by blocking all but the center tile. It says input blocked but works.

Interestingly the Borg Cube has no trouble keeping up condensing the steam.

Working on a bigger scale version of the same thing currently - preboiling the steam in one chamber, then further cooking it in a separate chamber - just can't seem to escape using magma though...

Really dumb concept this one - not sure what funky herbs are being smoked this week, but these changes make zero sense  

"Hey guy's let's take a clean resource like steam, give them a machine which allows them to make renewable power, then let's make it require a finite resource... maybe even one that's a nightmare to move logistically."

-"Sounds great, let's rush it out now! But when should we introduce such a deep and long-requested system?" 

"Oh I don't know, maybe the OCCUPATIONAL upgrade?"

-"Lunch?"

/golfclap

I love you Klei crazies - but you do like to keep the community guessing  
 

4 minutes ago, chromiumboy said:

They could just make the turbine a structure that is built over a steam geyser (like an oil well)... Huge amounts of power, in exchange for less fresh water

Think the last thing this game needs right now is less choices over power:colony size:food vs water in my opinion - the games getting smaller, and smaller. At this stage of the game we shouldn't be having to rely on mods to bring back a sense of scale and fun to the game - which is sadly the direction we're heading in.

[Saturnus]

1 hour ago, midjones said:

I wonder if this could be built above the natural pools of magma by blocking all but the center tile

Frankly, the output in no way comes close to justifying the trouble of building it and running it at the moment.

[chromiumboy]

12 minutes ago, Lifegrow said:

Think the last thing this game needs right now is less choices over power:colony size:food vs water in my opinion - the games getting smaller, and smaller. At this stage of the game we shouldn't be having to rely on mods to bring back a sense of scale and fun to the game - which is sadly the direction we're heading in.

I'd argue that it gives you a very interesting choice; run a base with a small number of dupes with a large amount of power to have machines do the heavy lifting, or have a large number of dupes and find other ways of power generation (like manual generators)

Huge scale, heavily industrialised bases could be served just by having additional world customisation options

[Oozinator]

While i played today rimworld, i was wondering, how similar ONI is to RW now. Thermal generators, aka steam engine have steamgeysers there, would be logical, when ONI SE make use of it..
Since Beta 18 job/prio changed and ONI is at some areas the same now. Manual prio makes a small difference there..
When devs talked about space stuff, suborbital capsules from RW, came into my mind.
Can any of you present a working SE version, built without cheat tool? Saturnus thing is more theoretical, then practical for me.


 

[Saturnus]

7 minutes ago, Oozinator said:

Can any of you present a working SE version, built without cheat tool?

While not impossible to build at the moment, it's anyone's guess why anyone would want to. The amount of heat energy required, even when blocking all but one of its inputs, which I'm sure many will see a scrublord exploit, it'd take 5-6 dupes working non-stop to constantly resupply the magma with autobottle enabled pitchers pumps to keep it running. And at that point, you gotta ask yourself if proving that something can be done is really a better idea than taking a long walk in the park?