TheKingofSquirrels Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 I look at Rainbow Six Siege: Operation White Noise and I realise how much Klei would benefit from having new characters. At the moment, I just don't have any reason for returning to DST... but if there were new characters I'd come back in an instant. That's what Rainbow is doing. I think that's why Rainbow Six Siege is so successful and continues to have such a huge player base so long after its release. They continue to release new characters, offering a new way of experiencing the game each time. Just when I thought I was out...they pull me back in! It's almost like it makes the game new again every time. And in terms of why Klei should do this (as in why it would be profitable), apart from sustaining the player base (which, I don't know about you guys, but for the last year servers have felt a bit dead): new characters would mean new skins, as well as new toys and merch. That's just my take on it. I'm not a professional in this matter. I just thought it would be useful to show, as a consumer, why I'm returning to a multiplayer game like Rainbow and not DST. And also, after the whole Winona disaster, I really need something to make up for that hype crash. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/84917-i-think-new-characters-would-help-dst/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObsidianKing Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 We literally just got a new character. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/84917-i-think-new-characters-would-help-dst/#findComment-979669 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Tarunio Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 I dont think anymore characters will be coming out soon, most of the mobs we know were altered and could of been playable characters. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/84917-i-think-new-characters-would-help-dst/#findComment-979676 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKingofSquirrels Posted November 30, 2017 Author Share Posted November 30, 2017 21 minutes ago, Lium said: We literally just got a new character. Short answer: Yeah, but not a good one though. Long answer: I don't want to turn this into a Winona rant. There's enough posts already about how much people were disappointed with her. However, t he reason Winona doesn't apply is because of this... "offering a new way of experiencing the game each time" Unlike the new characters from Rainbow, which bring a new mechanic to the game that makes us play differently, the new character from DST doesn't. All she does is offer small, arguably insignificant, conveniences: she can last a little longer at night without a torch and can craft things a little faster. Emphasis on little. In other words, the play stile between Winona and, let's say, Wilson are barely indistinguishable. Whereas in Rainbow, playing a new character is like playing a new game. They each have their unique mechanics and play style, which is what previous characters from Don't Starve did very successfully...Until Winona of course. And I worry, that the way that the community reacted so badly to her will put Klei off from making new characters. That's why I made this post. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/84917-i-think-new-characters-would-help-dst/#findComment-979679 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starlogy Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 my guy youre saying we need new characters but winonas a new character. and sure you make the point that she brings nothing new to the table but simply put it, that's not true. her faster crafting, while unnoticable at first, makes megabases so much faster to make. duct tape literally replaces sewing kits for her, providing a way to manage clothing without the need for hound teeth. plus in my opinion the tape is better, as you have 40 charges with a max stack over 5 with a sewing kit. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/84917-i-think-new-characters-would-help-dst/#findComment-979681 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlZalph Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 It also is neat that Klei restructured the character selection screen to be a grid instead of a wheel for ease of selecting. Perhaps they are already thinking on adding more characters? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/84917-i-think-new-characters-would-help-dst/#findComment-979683 Share on other sites More sharing options...
landromat Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 Winona is just better Wilson. Everybody agree with that. There is no cool mechanics that makes feel game different, like Woodie, Webber, Wolfgang etc, so i agree with op Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/84917-i-think-new-characters-would-help-dst/#findComment-979686 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PillsStealer Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 Yes! More characters so we can get angry for it not meeting our expectations! More 24 page threads about character balance! Yes! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/84917-i-think-new-characters-would-help-dst/#findComment-979691 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKingofSquirrels Posted November 30, 2017 Author Share Posted November 30, 2017 19 minutes ago, Starlogy said: my guy youre saying we need new characters but winonas a new character. and sure you make the point that she brings nothing new to the table but simply put it, that's not true. her faster crafting, while unnoticable at first, makes megabases so much faster to make. duct tape literally replaces sewing kits for her, providing a way to manage clothing without the need for hound teeth. plus in my opinion the tape is better, as you have 40 charges with a max stack over 5 with a sewing kit. I understand your point, but I still think these still amount to nothing more than very small conveniences. While the duck tape is better and faster crafting can be useful...Is it really worth picking that over books that create tentacles or a character that can get a buff from lightning? Yes, you can argue that it's useful for megabases, but I would argue it's more useful for those purposes to have a character with more health (more health means better at battles, means quicker access to vital resources). I mean does the time you save crafting in a week (in game time) with Winona amount to more time that you would save by tanking mobs with Wolfgang? And it's not just about perks, it's about disadvantages as well...The challenges they provide is part of the fun of it. Winona doesn't have this and therefore she's not interesting to play at all. 8 minutes ago, PillsStealer said: Yes! More characters so we can get angry for it not meeting our expectations! More 24 page threads about character balance! Yes! There's other games that meet the community's expectations (Rainbow for example), why can't Klei do the same? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/84917-i-think-new-characters-would-help-dst/#findComment-979694 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tumalu Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 The problem with this idea; "Oh, the new character was boring, the solution is MORE NEW CHARACTERS!". See how this might not go so well? Quality >> Quantity, in any case. I'd rather get buffs to existing character than another new character, right now. Especially Winona, who's newness makes it feel more likely to maybe happen. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/84917-i-think-new-characters-would-help-dst/#findComment-979699 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKingofSquirrels Posted November 30, 2017 Author Share Posted November 30, 2017 1 minute ago, Tumalu said: The problem with this idea; "Oh, the new character was boring, the solution is MORE NEW CHARACTERS!". See how this might not go so well? Quality >> Quantity, in any case. I'd rather get buffs to existing character than another new character, right now. Especially Winona, who's newness makes it feel more likely to maybe happen. I agree with you, problem is it's been 3 year since DST's release and Willow and Woody still haven't been fixed, the later of which is unplayable. With Winona it will probably be the same, so instead of asking for something that will never change, I feel like we should move on... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/84917-i-think-new-characters-would-help-dst/#findComment-979701 Share on other sites More sharing options...
landromat Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 28 minutes ago, PillsStealer said: Yes! More characters so we can get angry for it not meeting our expectations! More 24 page threads about character balance! Yes! honestly 12 playable characters is not a big number for multiplayer game for 6 (or more) people. We obviously need more Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/84917-i-think-new-characters-would-help-dst/#findComment-979704 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MondayNight Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 Sure, new characters (like all new content) are welcomed.. in a way; or more. Depends. Mainly about purpose and balance. But realistically speaking, as Klei stated already their plans for a couple of Forge-like future events that would introduce new mechanics and further the lore, new characters would be a low probability - more so even after how Winona was received (I for one still wish for an introductory video about her and her role in The Constant). As for this thread I do really hope "more 24 pages about character balance" won't be the thing in here as well; is really annoying and without actual scope. Cheers! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/84917-i-think-new-characters-would-help-dst/#findComment-979705 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKingofSquirrels Posted November 30, 2017 Author Share Posted November 30, 2017 13 minutes ago, xxVERSUSxy said: Sure, new characters like all new content is welcomed.. in a way; or more. Depends. Mainly about purpose and balance. But here's the thing, while new content is always welcomed...I think new characters are more helpful in terms of keeping the community alive, because let's be honest... How many players actually defeated the Fuelweaver...Or have even seen him, or even know about him? That's not to say, we shouldn't be grateful that Klei hasn't forgotten about the hardcore players, but the truth is...Most players don't actually interact with this content because most of the stuff that DST has added are optional raid bosses, with ridiculous amount of health, that can only be killed with either well co-ordinated teams or incredible solo pros/masters, neither of which apply to the average player. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/84917-i-think-new-characters-would-help-dst/#findComment-979712 Share on other sites More sharing options...
. . . Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 wortox Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/84917-i-think-new-characters-would-help-dst/#findComment-979736 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akrone Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 Robert Wagstaff Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/84917-i-think-new-characters-would-help-dst/#findComment-979751 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Tarunio Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 2 hours ago, TheKingofSquirrels said: There's other games that meet the community's expectations (Rainbow for example), why can't Klei do the same? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/84917-i-think-new-characters-would-help-dst/#findComment-979757 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKingofSquirrels Posted December 1, 2017 Author Share Posted December 1, 2017 Just now, jantonio said: Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/84917-i-think-new-characters-would-help-dst/#findComment-979759 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spideswine Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 3 hours ago, landromat said: Winona is just better Wilson. Everybody agree with that. I disagree, they are both crap, I wouldn't say either is better than the other. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/84917-i-think-new-characters-would-help-dst/#findComment-979778 Share on other sites More sharing options...
landromat Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 Just now, spideswine said: I disagree, they are both crap, I wouldn't say either is better than the other. Winona is better in many aspects, but that's wrong topic Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/84917-i-think-new-characters-would-help-dst/#findComment-979781 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spideswine Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 1 minute ago, landromat said: Winona is better in many aspects, but that's wrong topic No she isn't. avoiding charlie is borderline useless. and so are her repair kits. Double craft speed is barely of any use, and so is wilsons beard. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/84917-i-think-new-characters-would-help-dst/#findComment-979782 Share on other sites More sharing options...
landromat Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 ok Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/84917-i-think-new-characters-would-help-dst/#findComment-979783 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreyaMaluk Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 38 minutes ago, TheKingofSquirrels said: lol.. dude there are very cool mods in the workshop I recomend mods by Neutral, Fidooop, Default, CheeseNuggets, Jasper and rezecib They all care about their mods updating regularily and all of them have vanilla looking art style and feel. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/84917-i-think-new-characters-would-help-dst/#findComment-979786 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spideswine Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 Just now, FreyaMaluk said: lol.. dude there are very cool mods in the workshop I recomend mods by Neutral, Fidooop, Default, CheeseNuggets, Jasper and rezecib They all care about their mods updating regularily and all of them have vanilla looking art style and feel. Unfortunately custom character mods are a great way to tell people to not join your server. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/84917-i-think-new-characters-would-help-dst/#findComment-979788 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FreyaMaluk Posted December 1, 2017 Share Posted December 1, 2017 Just now, spideswine said: Unfortunately custom character mods are a great way to tell people to not join your server. in public servers, but you can make friends and try and experiment with mods. it's worth it. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/84917-i-think-new-characters-would-help-dst/#findComment-979789 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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