Issue with Pets and how to fix it.

[TheKingofSquirrels]

13 hours ago, TheKingDedede said:

Why not have both?

If you could, then awesome.

But I feel like game mechanics need priority. We talked about how for example "disease" was totally a rushed concept in the game. Will they do anything about it? Probably not. It's been what, half a year since they added it? They don't have time to fix it apparently, yet they do have time for new skins...

I don't know how big the dev team, but they need to get priorities straight. 

 

[Lumina]

14 minutes ago, TheKingofSquirrels said:

 

I don't know how big the dev team, but they need to get priorities straight. 

I think that it's important to remember that it's not necessarily the same person doing skin and the one working on coding.

So one team could work on something when the other is on another game for example, or the contrary.

 

Opposing disease to new bosses (they require coding too) is probably more relevant, since there is more chance that someone working on new code for new boss could work on disease instead (and it's even not garanteed since it's not the same kind of code, possibly).

It's a common thing in game that a team could work in some new things when another is not as free to do so, and so a kind of contrast between new shiny things and old things that are a little abandoned, because one team have time and the other have not.

 

Doesn't mean that there isn't priority choice, like adding new content instead of changing old one, but skin is really not the problem. Especially when skin could have been created a long time ago and put in the game because it's thematic now. (I mean, maybe the halloween skin were created this summer, but of course, you don't release halloween skin in summer)

[BiddoBams]

47 minutes ago, TheKingofSquirrels said:

If you could, then awesome.

But I feel like game mechanics need priority. We talked about how for example "disease" was totally a rushed concept in the game. Will they do anything about it? Probably not. It's been what, half a year since they added it? They don't have time to fix it apparently, yet they do have time for new skins...

I don't know how big the dev team, but they need to get priorities straight. 

 

You're making it sound like Klei are litiraly the devil, to hell with these accursed skins TAKING AWAY OUR CONTENT!

Changing a entire game mechanic will prove to be way more challenging then adding new skins, which is literally a few new (pretty) doodles. As for getting saying they need to get their prioritizes straight... you're kidding me, right? Have you seen the latest hotfixes they released? People said marble bushes were OP, they nerfed them, same with Jellybeans and the new boss.

It's obvious that Klei listen to us, so let's maybe give them time to work something out, after all they're working a tight schedule atm, cranking out new content every 3 weeks. Most Early Access games can't keep that track record and DST isn't even in Early Access. They already revamped the disease system once, if its as big as a issue as people say it is, then it's possible they'll look into it again.

[HonorableFool]

If they keep the pets purely cosmetic they need to disable the feeding. You already need stuff to obtain them anyways. Also they need to make them not affect building placement,possibly most annoying thing since hound attacks. Hey you wanna place a wall there let me just stand there. This is the main reason why I abandoned my vargling.

The pet system feels so lack luster,obtaining them feels unnatural. The smallbird is still a regular mob (smallbirds are useless who actually bothers with them) Theres not much varity thought they would add baby volt goats,or varity for vargling (ice,fire vargling) they need to fix this or else it will become redundant!

 

[TheKingofSquirrels]

7 hours ago, Ashkain said:

You're making it sound like Klei are litiraly the devil, to hell with these accursed skins TAKING AWAY OUR CONTENT!

Changing a entire game mechanic will prove to be way more challenging then adding new skins, which is literally a few new (pretty) doodles. As for getting saying they need to get their prioritizes straight... you're kidding me, right? Have you seen the latest hotfixes they released? People said marble bushes were OP, they nerfed them, same with Jellybeans and the new boss.

It's obvious that Klei listen to us, so let's maybe give them time to work something out, after all they're working a tight schedule atm, cranking out new content every 3 weeks. Most Early Access games can't keep that track record and DST isn't even in Early Access. They already revamped the disease system once, if its as big as a issue as people say it is, then it's possible they'll look into it again.

I'm just still pissed at them for the content segregation more than anything (something they promised they wouldn't do). That's why I'm a bit harsh on them.

[Lumina]

10 minutes ago, TheKingofSquirrels said:

I'm just still pissed at them for the content segregation more than anything (something they promised they wouldn't do). That's why I'm a bit harsh on them.

What is content segregation ?

[PanAzej]

12 hours ago, Lumina said:

What is content segregation ?

My guess is they don't like the fact that singleplayer content =/= multiplayer content.

20 hours ago, TheKingofSquirrels said:

But I feel like game mechanics need priority. We talked about how for example "disease" was totally a rushed concept in the game. Will they do anything about it? Probably not. It's been what, half a year since they added it? They don't have time to fix it apparently, yet they do have time for new skins...

I don't know how big the dev team, but they need to get priorities straight. 

Dang them artists coding mechanics I don't like!

 

My opinion on pets is that they don't need to be 'fixed'.

Some of you think that without some 'greater purpose' and with 'being invincible and stuff' pets are redundant.

I think that if they required anything more than a piece of meat from time to time, I wouldn't bother ever getting one of them.

The game is already tedious enough. I also don't need any 'greater purpose'.

More 'needy' pets would be annoying - we already have Beefalos and Smallbirds if you want animals that need to be nursed all the time, pets not being invincible would be annoying because you wouldn't be able to go anywhere with them.

I don't need any special abilities for them, they're just there to look cool and I'm fine with that. I have another dumb thing to achieve - Broodling or Ewelet early game following me just so I can brag a bit.

Crafting pets being 'not natural', eh? It could've been easily solved with an additional animation of pet coming out of that cave-thingie. There, it's 'more natural'.

[TheKingofSquirrels]

19 hours ago, Lumina said:

What is content segregation ?

The fact that they said that development of multiplayer would not mean the end of single-player (which it totally did). You can only get updates if you play Multiplayer, which isn't completely awful, you can play multiplayer as a singleplayer in a private server and gets mod to re-balance things, but there's still some massive things that are missing (I personally really, really miss set pieces) and ruins the experience.    

[Lumina]

12 minutes ago, TheKingofSquirrels said:

20 hours ago, Lumina said:

 

The fact that they said that development of multiplayer would not mean the end of single-player (which it totally did). You can only get updates if you play Multiplayer, which isn't completely awful, you can play multiplayer as a singleplayer in a private server and gets mod to re-balance things, but there's still some massive things that are missing (I personally really, really miss set pieces) and ruins the experience.    

Ok, i understand better.

So, maybe i don't remember well, but i partially disagree. There was a moment when Don't Starve Together got update, and Singleplayer got Shipwrecked, so it was true, development of multiplayer was not the end of single-player. Shipwrecked is... More or less great (for me), but still a big content for a singleplayer game.

So maybe i'm wrong but i never understood it as "all the update of DST will come in DS", because i'm not even sure it's possible, since code in DS is different so it mean a lot of test and stuff. Especially when DST includes natively ROG now, and DS doesnt.

Just that working on DST doesn't mean that DS will get abandoned, and it was true. Maybe it's not true anymore, but again, i don't remember they told that DS will always receive updates as long as DST exist.

[DVGMedia]

On 11/15/2016 at 11:56 PM, SuperPsiPower said:

Honestly I like the concept of having pets in the game. Though I wish they would DO more. Like I wish I could interact with my pet more then just feed it or examine it.

 I wanna be able to groom my pet with the brush. It would make having a brush more conveinent, and maybe building trust with them would have benefits like having them fight for/with you.

basically a beefalo you dont have to ride

On 11/15/2016 at 10:38 PM, Ashkain said:

I see what you mean, but the reward for raising a Smallbird is... something that tries to kill you and drops little food. It seems like raising it is a artificial way of making the game harder. Theres minimal reward to do it so chances are nobody is gonna do it. I'd be totally down for raising Smallbirds if they, I don't know, made a nest or something, making them a farmable resource, or anything. Just the state Smallbirds have always been in feels useless and unfinished since day 1.

havent you ever made a smallbird army? its actually rather fun

[hahasound]

What happened to the set pieces? i remember they were present during early beta but I haven't really seen any recently. I thought the only one they were planing to take out was the winter ice box set piece for balancing reasons.

[Sinister_Fang]

10 minutes ago, hahasound said:

What happened to the set pieces? i remember they were present during early beta but I haven't really seen any recently. I thought the only one they were planing to take out was the winter ice box set piece for balancing reasons.

What do you mean? I've got both the reed field trap and the unused beefalo pen trap in my world. The old set pieces didn't go anywhere. Also, what does this have to do with the main topic? That just came out of nowhere.

[Pyr0mrcow]

...yea, the only ones taken out were the really multiplayer-damaging ones. Been getting others on new worlds just like normal.

[TheKingofSquirrels]

7 hours ago, Sinister_Fang said:

What do you mean? I've got both the reed field trap and the unused beefalo pen trap in my world. The old set pieces didn't go anywhere. Also, what does this have to do with the main topic? That just came out of nowhere.

It's the same for me, there's not set pieces at all. The only thing we get is like Goose/Goose nests, but that's about it. I miss stuff like campsites and like traps (not the Ice Box), remember the traps? Those were awesome. 

[TheKingofSquirrels]

7 hours ago, Sinister_Fang said:

What do you mean? I've got both the reed field trap and the unused beefalo pen trap in my world. The old set pieces didn't go anywhere. Also, what does this have to do with the main topic? That just came out of nowhere.

This topic just came out because someone asked, that's all. 

[AnonymousKoala]

On 15.11.2016 at 2:28 AM, Sinister_Fang said:

This again? Ok, I'll agree that it is a strange way to add in pets, but I believe that this unusual method of getting pets is completely intentional. Because it uses the crafting menu this means that pets skins could be a possibility in the future. Also, don't think of it as crafting them, but using food and an item with a familiar scent to coax them out of their little den.

I'd also like to point out that pets aren't 100% implemented yet. There's comments in their code that pretty much says they're unfinished.

THANK YOU. That's exactly what I've been trying to explain, about the "crafting".

Each of these is food, and something from their parent. So something to make them come out, and something to make them feel safe around you. Also could be why you can only have one, since if you mixed scents and such, they would realize you're not actually their parent.

On 16.11.2016 at 7:56 AM, SuperPsiPower said:

Honestly I like the concept of having pets in the game. Though I wish they would DO more. Like I wish I could interact with my pet more then just feed it or examine it.

 I wanna be able to groom my pet with the brush. It would make having a brush more conveinent, and maybe building trust with them would have benefits like having them fight for/with you.

This. All of this. Entirely, fully, this.

17 hours ago, TheKingofSquirrels said:

The fact that they said that development of multiplayer would not mean the end of single-player (which it totally did). You can only get updates if you play Multiplayer, which isn't completely awful, you can play multiplayer as a singleplayer in a private server and gets mod to re-balance things, but there's still some massive things that are missing (I personally really, really miss set pieces) and ruins the experience.    

It's almost like things take time to do. Last time you did this thread, a few months passed since, DST kept being tweaked, then ANR started coming out which requires even more care. Besides, DS is a finished game(SW is far from it but if we'll talk about that trainwreck we'll be here all day) and in fact tweaking it more might as well end up ruining it(A lot of veterans would go on and on about the reasoning). There are also lore reasons for a bunch of content to not make its way back(Just about every actually new creature is Charlie's creation so it can't exist during the first game). 

Also DST is a sequel. How often does content from the sequel get ported back to its previous game?

[Lumina]

4 hours ago, TheKingofSquirrels said:

It's the same for me, there's not set pieces at all. The only thing we get is like Goose/Goose nests, but that's about it. I miss stuff like campsites and like traps (not the Ice Box), remember the traps? Those were awesome. 

Trap (summer/winter) were maybe awesome for veteran, but not really fun when you play with friend, and someone do a mistake because he is new and your game is ruined (especially summer trap).

As far as i know there is no more "base" setpiece. (Like a science machine, a crockpot), but i still found some set piece like the sleeping spider, the beefalo camp (with the trapped chest), guard pig defending berry bush or the "staff and sleeping hound". I would like to see more set piece, because they are rarer than before, but they still exist.

[voyager156]

23 hours ago, Lumina said:

Trap (summer/winter) were maybe awesome for veteran, but not really fun when you play with friend, and someone do a mistake because he is new and your game is ruined (especially summer trap).

Or like I saw 2 times a griefer - who launched it and ruined the game for others. So personally I'm glad they removed  them.

[MdsTheGriffin]

I agree, we shouldnt have to craft pets.. they are "animals" after all.

[TheKingofSquirrels]

3 hours ago, Mdshadowman said:

I agree, we shouldnt have to craft pets.. they are "animals" after all.

Period.

[TheKingofSquirrels]

7 hours ago, voyager156 said:

Or like I saw 2 times a griefer - who launched it and ruined the game for others. So personally I'm glad they removed  them.

 

On 18/11/2016 at 3:00 PM, Lumina said:

Trap (summer/winter) were maybe awesome for veteran, but not really fun when you play with friend, and someone do a mistake because he is new and your game is ruined (especially summer trap).

As far as i know there is no more "base" setpiece. (Like a science machine, a crockpot), but i still found some set piece like the sleeping spider, the beefalo camp (with the trapped chest), guard pig defending berry bush or the "staff and sleeping hound". I would like to see more set piece, because they are rarer than before, but they still exist.

Like I said, I mean the traps apart from the season changing ones. Like that one with the base that catches fire when you open the chest, I loved that one. 

[Lumina]

Just now, TheKingofSquirrels said:

Like I said, I mean the traps apart from the season changing ones. Like that one with the base that catches fire when you open the chest, I loved that one. 

Ok. I think the base set piece disappears, but there is still the trap with beefalo camp (you open the chest, gunpowder explode and all take fire) and even if it's classic, the hound trap (you take the staff, they awake). I don't know if the rot trap still exist (the one in the swamp), but i think i saw it recently...

[CaptainChaotica]

I kinda miss the season traps, although that's just me--I don't know what it is, but mixing up the seasons gives a _type_ of challenge I find more fun than messing with a lot of other options--but I can see where it's not good to have those around newbies or griefers.  However, I do still love the time we found the winter trap right away and _nothing happened_, so we had a free fridge on Day ONE.    You consider how long it takes to find gears sometimes; that is an _amazing_ find.

...if it doesn't kill you.  : P

I've never really used the beefalo-camp base.  I mean, it LOOKS good, but even without opening the chest--one fire hound or forgetting to build a lightning rod in time and POOF!  All gone.  Stone walls all the way, even if the damn dogs _do_ sometimes get so obsessed with chomping them, they don't notice you _standing right there_.  (Has that ever been tweaked--make them more focused on the actual pathway that already exists, and find the walls less delicious? Are there any mods for it?  I'd like to have a funnel-o'-death for the hounds that actually WORKS just _once_.)

...also you don't ever want to _live_ that close among beefalo 24/7, anyway.  Heh.

...Notorious

[Mday]

Next update: Pets can eat stinger.

 

That will make pets 1000 times more useful.

[Sinister_Fang]

9 hours ago, Mdshadowman said:

I agree, we shouldnt have to craft pets.. they are "animals" after all.

Will you guys stop on the whole "crafting" thing? It's says adopt. ADOPT. You guys are driving me crazy (Get it? Because I was insane when I took the screenshot...).