EVERY single food plant shouldn't grow in winter (except farm plants)

[Cheggf]

Genuine question, what plants are you guys referring to? Everything I can think of is way more effort than just relocating pig houses.

5 hours ago, Duck986 said:

If I was a dev, I wouldn't make farm plants to grow in winter because it makes no sense. This is what I liked in the old farming system tbh.

Some plants can grow in winter

[Frosty_Mentos]

1 hour ago, Cheggf said:

Genuine question, what plants are you guys referring to? Everything I can think of is way more effort than just relocating pig houses.

Some plants can grow in winter

Meat production is slow but very strong depending on number of houses ofc. Generally making a good meat farm to sustain one player is easy enough rather than group. Replantables growing all year around gives many players incentive to stay in base than explore for food.

Come to think of it, could be that klei wants that players would have decent foods that grow all year around to supply and sustain bigger multiplayer servers easier, but that's just a thought.

[Sacco]

16 minutes ago, Frosty_Mentos said:

Meat production is slow but very strong depending on number of houses ofc. Generally making a good meat farm to sustain one player is easy enough rather than group. Replantables growing all year around gives many players incentive to stay in base than explore for food.

Come to think of it, could be that klei wants that players would have decent foods that grow all year around to supply and sustain bigger multiplayer servers easier, but that's just a thought.

you can do it with just a farm plot.

when i join a pub server there's always someone who just farms for everyone.

more food sources are quite redundant afterall...

[Cheggf]

57 minutes ago, Sacco said:

you can do it with just a farm plot.

when i join a pub server there's always someone who just farms for everyone.

more food sources are quite redundant afterall...

If farm plots are strong enough to feed an entire server and someone always wants to farm what's the point of making other plants not grow? Nothing'll change.

[Creatorofswamps]

11 hours ago, Notecja said:

bring mushrooms to the swamp. I remeber they are missing from there. 

Yes, that would be a very good idea!

[mykenception]

1 hour ago, Cheggf said:

If farm plots are strong enough to feed an entire server and someone always wants to farm what's the point of making other plants not grow? Nothing'll change.

yeah, farm plots are very consistent in regards to that than reallocating berry bushes.

tho Stonefruit bushes are nice but someone ought to rush lunar for that. Kelp is just amazing after a lunar rush. Banana bushes aren't plentiful unless you're in the last stages of the moon storyline

so if someone is dedicated on the farm plots, these extra food sources usually become redundant and are an excess even if they are good to have around

[GenomeSquirrel]

I'm against it in the context that less things to do means less interesting things to do, and I don't think its starvation is something you can make realized or interesting.

[CaptainChaotica]

This is gonna sound like one of those "Back in MY day"/"Uphill both ways!" kinda old-person talk...because it is, but...

I started from the ORIGINAL version of winter in the Constant, where _nothing_ grew except trees (and cacti, if you've got the RoG version) and that made winter, feel like W I N T E R. It's not for everybody, and I can see where a lot of people wouldn't like it if it was enforced--heck, even I wouldn't, because sometimes I wanna play more cozy and relaxed than other times--but traipsing about with nothing but your winter clothing, a thermal stone, and emergency campfire supplies, searching further and further afield for the elusive Still Unpicked Berry, added _atmosphere_ to the season. It made it feel more like proper scary, scarce, the-supplies-are-runnin'-out, surivival, make do, ration and conserve, WINTER.

I like that we can farm all year round now, but sometimes, ya just wanna have to forage. Ya know?

[Masked Koopa]

I feel like askin for figs to be nerfed is kinda silly NGL. I think if someone takes the time to sail to waterlogged in winter, or spends the time required to bring a nut to their base and grow it to full size, they deserve to have year-round source of fruit.

[Spino43]

21 minutes ago, Masked Koopa said:

I feel like askin for figs to be nerfed is kinda silly NGL. I think if someone takes the time to sail to waterlogged in winter, or spends the time required to bring a nut to their base and grow it to full size, they deserve to have year-round source of fruit.

Relying on figs as a food source is laughable anyway. 

[Evelo]

Just winter crops? Seems fine by me. Cactus can grow back in winter, I am cool with that because you have to run around deserts to farm them. Unlike Banana Bushes which you can cultivate, Figs which you can Cultivate, Seaweed which you can cultivate (granted seaweed should work in winter cause of temperature regulation in oceans), and I am sure others that work in winter.

[somethin]

48 minutes ago, Spino43 said:

Relying on figs as a food source is laughable anyway. 

Figatoni is surprisingly good though. You wouldn't use it as a primary food source of course since it's spoilage isn't the best and you need a lot of trees to have it all the time, but it is basically meatball + pierogi + taffy kind of stat for a very cheap recipe.

[GelatinousCube]

28 minutes ago, somethin said:

Figatoni is surprisingly good though. You wouldn't use it as a primary food source of course since it's spoilage isn't the best and you need a lot of trees to have it all the time, but it is basically meatball + pierogi + taffy kind of stat for a very cheap recipe.

Fig Kebobs are decent too, for wig at least. Best spoilage time and fairly cheap to make. Good for sanity. 

[lowercase skye]

I'm a big fan of Figatoni also! It's certainly unwieldy as a main hunger source since it spoils so fast, but 30 health and 15 sanity from a fig and some veggies is awesome.

[Cheggf]

3 hours ago, CaptainChaotica said:

This is gonna sound like one of those "Back in MY day"/"Uphill both ways!" kinda old-person talk...because it is, but...

I started from the ORIGINAL version of winter in the Constant, where _nothing_ grew except trees (and cacti, if you've got the RoG version) and that made winter, feel like W I N T E R. It's not for everybody, and I can see where a lot of people wouldn't like it if it was enforced--heck, even I wouldn't, because sometimes I wanna play more cozy and relaxed than other times--but traipsing about with nothing but your winter clothing, a thermal stone, and emergency campfire supplies, searching further and further afield for the elusive Still Unpicked Berry, added _atmosphere_ to the season. It made it feel more like proper scary, scarce, the-supplies-are-runnin'-out, surivival, make do, ration and conserve, WINTER.

I like that we can farm all year round now, but sometimes, ya just wanna have to forage. Ya know?

You forgot to append "...Notorious" to the end of your comment. 

[Szczuku]

I agree. Plants shouldn't grow during winter, period.

It breaks immersion and creates a dull gameplay loop, where despite the seasons changing your strategy stays the same year-round.

And no, I do not care that bringing figs back to your base takes a lot of effort, they shouldn't grow during winter. Neither bananas nor stone fruit, nor monkeytails, cacti, kelp and any future new plants. Unless they are specifically winter-focused, like some sort of new 'winter root' forageable that spawns during winter to balance-out the fact that other plant-based food sources are inoperational

[HowlVoid]

Wait till people find out some berries grow in winter

I guess we better buff berry bushes for "realism" /s

Given how unbalanced and strong meat is since... Well forever

I can only see this hurting variety of what dishes you can prepare and nothing else. 

However, if Klei plans on adding more creative ways to get veggies and fruits (like figs) then maybe it's a good idea? I'm on the fence on this not gonna lie.

Edit: added /s cause I was being sarcastic.

[Sacco]

5 minutes ago, HowlVoid said:

Wait till people find out some berries grow in winter

I guess we better buff berry bushes for "realism" 

Given how unbalanced and strong meat is since... Well forever

I can only see this hurting variety of what dishes you can prepare and nothing else. 

However, if Klei plans on adding more creative ways to get veggies and fruits (like figs) then maybe it's a good idea? I'm on the fence on this not gonna lie.

a game doesn't need to be realistic.

i feel the argument "this plant grows in winter, so it's realistic and should stay the way it is" is a bit silly.

dst is a game made of UNREALISTIC things, and it is meant to be that way.

[HowlVoid]

27 minutes ago, Sacco said:

a game doesn't need to be realistic.

i feel the argument "this plant grows in winter, so it's realistic and should stay the way it is" is a bit silly.

Exactly, that's not point though (what you think my point is). It's the people saying that they shouldn't grow in winter because"realism".

I'm saying realism shouldn't matter, it's why I said "realism".

27 minutes ago, Sacco said:

dst is a game made of UNREALISTIC things, and it is meant to be that way.

Exactly why if they grow in winter it isnt because of "lack of realism" or "lack ofconsistency", as consistency is loosely based on realism in survival games. 

What's left to look at is it hurts other aspects. Creativity and variety are two things that would be hurt by this change.

[Frosty_Mentos]

Personally I just want to have one thing from singleplayer that made sense to be also put into multiplayer. The whole mechanic of winter stagnating growth and limiting resources to needing to do actual farming and or hunting and gathering to get your food. Using farm plots is effort and that's a decent way to distract you and make you fed and prepared if you are good on seeds, I have nothing against them, but kelp and other plants if not slowed down growth during winter makes it a little ridiculous looking.

This game isn't terraria and seasons actually change. If seasons change might as well make plants work along with those seasons to feel and know that it's 'time to harvest this or that' as your best sources of food. A little variation for gameplay is all.

In the end, idk. Maybe Klei gave up on tuning and balancing what should stay for a harsh mechanic for base game or figured nothing will stop us from gathering tons of mushrooms or other ways to get veggies to make all the food we'd ever want. So we now have even joke-ish aesthetic food items that are super fancy just for being fancy.

In the end, stone fruit bushes is probably the culprit to what we have now. Fast growth, lots of food and rocks.

[Masked Koopa]

1 hour ago, Szczuku said:

I agree. Plants shouldn't grow during winter, period.

It breaks immersion and creates a dull gameplay loop, where despite the seasons changing your strategy stays the same year-round.

And no, I do not care that bringing figs back to your base takes a lot of effort, they shouldn't grow during winter. Neither bananas nor stone fruit, nor monkeytails, cacti, kelp and any future new plants. Unless they are specifically winter-focused, like some sort of new 'winter root' forageable that spawns during winter to balance-out the fact that other plant-based food sources are inoperational

Yeah, the dull gameplay loop of growing fig trees, as opposed to the highly uncommon and exciting gameplay loop of hammering some pig houses or basing in the general vicinity of a spider nest. If you were truly concerned about stagnant strategy, figs are not even close to being a culprit when compared to the overabundance of food obtained from most meat sources.

If you want plants to never ever grow in winter on principle, that's fine, but let's not pretend as though meat isn't available year-round for better returns, or that figs create a stagnant meta, let alone the idea that they're part of the meta in the first place. If we're really looking to introduce seasonality, then nerfing plants specifically in a single season is nonsense. What you'd have to do is take the idea of "in season" crops, and apply it to most potential food sources, which is an undertaking I do not see klei committing to.

If you wanna argue that the goal here is to make winter's challenge persist, then the focus should be on the more accessible sources like bull kelp or stonefruit, definitely not on something both time-intensive and difficult to set up.

[HowlVoid]

17 minutes ago, Frosty_Mentos said:

Personally I just want to have one thing from singleplayer that made sense to be also put into multiplayer. The whole mechanic of winter stagnating growth and limiting resources to needing to do actual farming and or hunting and gathering to get your food. Using farm plots is effort and that's a decent way to distract you and make you fed and prepared if you are good on seeds, I have nothing against them, but kelp and other plants if not slowed down growth during winter makes it a little ridiculous looking.

This game isn't terraria and seasons actually change. If seasons change might as well make plants work along with those seasons to feel and know that it's 'time to harvest this or that' as your best sources of food. A little variation for gameplay is all.

In the end, idk. Maybe Klei gave up on tuning and balancing what should stay for a harsh mechanic for base game or figured nothing will stop us from gathering tons of mushrooms or other ways to get veggies to make all the food we'd ever want. So we now have even joke-ish aesthetic food items that are super fancy just for being fancy.

In the end, stone fruit bushes is probably the culprit to what we have now. Fast growth, lots of food and rocks.

Absolutely, it why I'm on the fence about this.

There's definitely a "theme" of survival and scavenging established around winter. But I don't think difficulty is deeply rooted into it though. Since winter kinda stops being difficult after a certain number of playthroughs.

Which is why I think you could keep the scavenging aspect without changing the food variety.

Scavenging for roots is a good idea I've read so far. 

There was thread a while back that suggested possibly an island to the north where there would be blizzards during winter. I think having a harsher environment where plants would adapt to grow but would be a high risk to harvest (harsher climate, winter clothes a must, ice enemies, low visibility, etc) would be the sort of middle ground I'd like to see.

You could grow stuff here but you also risky freezing to death or to enemies. And you can't grow a cozy second base cause maybe the whole thing melts after winter. Probably too hard to code though. So maybe plants just don't grow outside of this island/season. 

[SapoLover]

To give the feeling that food lacks in winter, changing the vegetable growth is not enough, meat production would need changes as well. Killing spiders and mining ice is not exactly a much harder alternative.

I always thought the "Don't Starve" aspect of the game should be translated to other mobs as well. Specially during winter, when everyone should be having a hard time, not just the player. The WX short shows us a pig raid, but they're not seen in-game, so I was thinking it would good to have other mobs attack your base to steal food. Having normally neutral or even passive mobs empty your fridge and inventory of food would give the feeling of "lack of food" for me.

[Maxil20]

4 hours ago, somethin said:

Figatoni is surprisingly good though. You wouldn't use it as a primary food source of course since it's spoilage isn't the best and you need a lot of trees to have it all the time, but it is basically meatball + pierogi + taffy kind of stat for a very cheap recipe.

To me, I quite literally see it as the universal poor man’s moqueca recipe (in the nicest way possible). Heck, The hunger and health it restores are exactly half of that of moqueca, and the sanity is just slightly below half. It’s pretty well rounded for what it provides, and once you get figs and basically any veggie source it’s not a bad one to utilize (and especially if you have the polar bearger bin to stockpile them).

[Sacco]

52 minutes ago, SapoLover said:

To give the feeling that food lacks in winter, changing the vegetable growth is not enough, meat production would need changes as well. Killing spiders and mining ice is not exactly a much harder alternative.

just make a cap to the max ice you can put in a crockpot and almost every problem is solved