Ardcrumb Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 This post is in no way insulting anybody or anyone in particular; but a lot of people don't realise that people don't always use 100% of a characters ability, or all of an updates uses like a few of my friends who play dst with me from time to time straight up ignore facets of a character, like one who played maxwell just for his sanity gain, and never even touched his shadow puppets, I also had to explain to them that they added the lunar island, which over the last 3 years, i've seen 4 people go to on public servers. A lot of content is hard to get to for new players, but some is downright impossible to know; what I'm trying to say is that the vast, vast majority of people on this forum have been playing don't starve for years, and although you may not like it, the game will be hurt in the long term if these large swathes of content go unused, even I have trouble remembering some things. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136678-something-a-lot-of-people-need-to-know/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auth Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 This is a good point. I hop on random servers from time to time and have seen boats being utilized 0 times. I built one to make it work as a bridge and it blew one host's mind away that it was a mechanic. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136678-something-a-lot-of-people-need-to-know/#findComment-1530234 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ethannnnnnn Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 Wdym people don't realize? If anyone is aware of the disparity in knowledge between a beginner and a veteran, it's the members of this forum. I've seen concerns all over this forum regarding the complexity of the game from a beginner's perspective. This concept is neither foreign to us nor Klei. You can tell because of how Klei has been changing DST lately. They've made the early game especially more accommodating for newer players, and I welcome changes like these as I believe it will extend the longevity of the game without compromising its integrity as is. But you also can't treat players like babies. People learn about a game if they want to, and typically have fun doing so. Hence the reason they continue to play the game. There's a reason DST is popular, and I don't think Klei is a stranger to making appealing games. Let them do their magic, because whatever it is I think it's working. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136678-something-a-lot-of-people-need-to-know/#findComment-1530236 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike23Ua Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 15 minutes ago, Auth said: This is a good point. I hop on random servers from time to time and have seen boats being utilized 0 times. I built one to make it work as a bridge and it blew one host's mind away that it was a mechanic. Speaking of: I had someone accuse me of being a Hacker on Xbox for having a saddled Beefalo I was riding around on on Day 3 inside a Cave she was painfully exploring on foot. I feel like Klei as a Game development team, and to a degree certain long term veteran players/people who look into the games files to know the in’s and outs of everything and how it works only see things from one perspective: when what SHOULD be happening is maybe on those Devs days off of working on the game they gather their own kids to play the game without giving them any inside tips or clues to see just what all they find and learn: Then they can look at that content and be like: You know.. maybe there’s a different way we can approach this. etc.. Gaming should over all be FUN not just a developmental/technical nightmare, Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136678-something-a-lot-of-people-need-to-know/#findComment-1530239 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cloakingsumo198 Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 20 hours ago, ethannnnnnn said: If anyone is aware of the disparity in knowledge between a beginner and a veteran, it's the members of this forum. 20 hours ago, ethannnnnnn said: I've seen concerns all over this forum regarding the complexity of the game from a beginner's perspective. Lol I think the forumites know the the disparity between vets and noobs but aren't great teachers. The game has alot of layers. If you don't know your foundations, then things higher up are harder. It all depends on how dedicated the player is to learning their basic, advanced, and pro tech. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136678-something-a-lot-of-people-need-to-know/#findComment-1530326 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Notecja Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Cloakingsumo198 said: Lol I think the forumites know the the disparity between vets and noobs but aren't great teachers. The game has alot of layers if you don't know your foundation than things higher up are harder. It all depends on how dedicated the player is to learning their basic, advanced, and pro tech. That reminds me when some forumites unironically advised someone to "just" kite hounds with dark sword and maybe dark armour. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136678-something-a-lot-of-people-need-to-know/#findComment-1530339 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cloakingsumo198 Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 39 minutes ago, Notecja said: That reminds me when some forumites unironically advised someone to "just" kite hounds with dark sword and maybe dark armour. How helpful, I bet if it was a fresh install they expertly rushed dragonfly day 4 after that. If only someone taught them to "just" go to the ruins after they would own DST right now probably. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136678-something-a-lot-of-people-need-to-know/#findComment-1530345 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octohunter777 Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 17 hours ago, ethannnnnnn said: Wdym people don't realize? If anyone is aware of the disparity in knowledge between a beginner and a veteran, it's the members of this forum. I've seen concerns all over this forum regarding the complexity of the game from a beginner's perspective. This concept is neither foreign to us nor Klei. You can tell because of how Klei has been changing DST lately. They've made the early game especially more accommodating for newer players, and I welcome changes like these as I believe it will extend the longevity of the game without compromising its integrity as is. But you also can't treat players like babies. People learn about a game if they want to, and typically have fun doing so. Hence the reason they continue to play the game. There's a reason DST is popular, and I don't think Klei is a stranger to making appealing games. Let them do their magic, because whatever it is I think it's working. You're right, people learning things on their own over time is just part of the process of being a new player. Nice hollow knight profile picture by the way Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136678-something-a-lot-of-people-need-to-know/#findComment-1530346 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hornete Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 A lot of content in this game can be really unintuitive to learn. I feel this has been a bit of a late trend, especially with some of the storylines. I will be damned impressed if a person can figure out the Fuelweaver, CC storylines completely blind without having to ever look it up. Hell, i'll be more impressed if someone can learn ocean fishing's mechanics through and through blindly than from a fuelweaver speedrun( I'm not exaggerating, I mean that very genuinely). I love ocean fishing so so very much, but trying to learn it on your own might be one of the most terrible things to go through because of so many hidden mechanics. I think a lot of people are missing the point of the post. Yes DS/T is a learning game of course, that's why I love it so much! It's not a game that's about skill, and I don't really think skill is a thing in DS/T. In DS/T it's all about your knowledge. However some mechanics aren't very well taught. Farming is what I think a really great and intuitive mechanic to learn. You get to have a encylopedia(the gardeener hat) with which you can research the plants you grow, learn about the fertilizers and water they take, their growth stages, their seeds, and etc. You get to learn about the mechanic where crops also put back nutrients into the soil, and you realise you can take advantage of that. Ocean fishing on the other hand, has really no fantastic way of learning the mechanics in-depth. I don't think most people here know the types of lures and how they work and how lure attraction even works. A lot of people don't know about reel charm. Hell, a lot of people don't know that fishing in snowy/rainy weather without the rainy/snow lures causes a 50% decrease in charm for all other lures! Yes, a game with fishing where it's disadvantageous to fish in snowy/rainy weather, haha. I really hope the learning experience of ocean fishing, and many other mechanics can be improved. While this quite literally wouldn't affect me in any way, I don't mind, I like seeing the experience of learning be improved for others. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136678-something-a-lot-of-people-need-to-know/#findComment-1530348 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cloakingsumo198 Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 20 hours ago, Hornete said: Snip. You telling me you didn't carry a suspicious marble piece everywhere on foot until you randomly mined a marble statue and learned to put all 3 pieces together. Then after receiving the shadow heart and carrying that everywhere until you randomly collected 8 fossil pieces and plunged yourself into every random hole a tentacle emerged from until you arrived at the atrium maze and reached the end placing all 8 pieces together until you actually get the right statue out of the two and placing the heart inside THEN surviving the ensuing boss fight on top of surviving all the way until now with no prior knowledge what so ever and instead you just googled it? Maybe google was the real forgotten knowledge we we're looking for all along. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136678-something-a-lot-of-people-need-to-know/#findComment-1530352 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octohunter777 Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 The wiki probably gets used quite a bit by new players. Personally, I usually use them to look up character quotes. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136678-something-a-lot-of-people-need-to-know/#findComment-1530356 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuuko Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 I am definitely not maximizing on the game play lately... I started playing Warly and there are some things I know well enough to use, and some things I completely space - I have a lot more to learn about farming and recipes. And it doesn't matter that I have a tab open with both main crock pot and warly dishes displayed, I still overlook things. Takes time to learn I guess. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136678-something-a-lot-of-people-need-to-know/#findComment-1530357 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cloakingsumo198 Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 Just now, Shosuko said: I am definitely not maximizing on the game play lately... I started playing Warly and there are some things I know well enough to use, and some things I completely space - I have a lot more to learn about farming and recipes. Warly has been my pick up character as I wait for klei's return alot of fun messing with his recipes and maxing out my recipe book Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136678-something-a-lot-of-people-need-to-know/#findComment-1530358 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrimbles Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 I've seen someone genuinely get mad at a Warly player because they didn't have a bunch of crock pot predictor mods installed, and weren't crafting the "most optimized foods" as a result. Some people are real silly! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136678-something-a-lot-of-people-need-to-know/#findComment-1530362 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArubaroBeefalo Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 7 minutes ago, Scrimbles said: I've seen someone genuinely get mad at a Warly player because they didn't have a bunch of crock pot predictor mods installed, and weren't crafting the "most optimized foods" as a result. Some people are real silly! some random blamed at me because some meat stews got stale, the thing is that i left that meat stews for him even when he was playing wigfrid, saying that was worste because he started to blame me for "wasting food cuz meat stew isnt efficient for wigfrid". We had like +9 bundles with meat for only 2 players.... hilarious Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136678-something-a-lot-of-people-need-to-know/#findComment-1530363 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dextops Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 I once got genuinely mad at a warly player because they didn't have a bunch of crock pot predictor mods installed, and weren't crafting the most optimized foods as a result /j Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136678-something-a-lot-of-people-need-to-know/#findComment-1530364 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuuko Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 I started a world to play solo Warly to practice and get better, focusing on setup and the first 2 seasons only. I accidentally left these public with no password and when a few people joined I let it slide - I was only playing for 2 seasons, I didn't care what they did. One decided he would start a farmers market and trade produce to me, and the other wanted a job interview as a line chief... Meanwhile I forgot my rain gear when I went to farm volt goat milk and promptly died -_- I am clearly not good at this game -_- lol Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136678-something-a-lot-of-people-need-to-know/#findComment-1530365 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sudoku Posted January 3, 2022 Share Posted January 3, 2022 14 minutes ago, Shosuko said: I started a world to play solo Warly to practice and get better, focusing on setup and the first 2 seasons only. I accidentally left these public with no password and when a few people joined I let it slide - I was only playing for 2 seasons, I didn't care what they did. One decided he would start a farmers market and trade produce to me, and the other wanted a job interview as a line chief... Meanwhile I forgot my rain gear when I went to farm volt goat milk and promptly died -_- I am clearly not good at this game -_- lol This is why i like pubs, sometimes its just fun to break up the monotomy of your normal gameplay strats. Youre probably the last person i would say wasnt good at this game btw. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136678-something-a-lot-of-people-need-to-know/#findComment-1530367 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Octohunter777 Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 Happens to the best of us Besides, volt goats can be quite dangerous Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136678-something-a-lot-of-people-need-to-know/#findComment-1530487 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bagherthegamer Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 I tried to tame a beefalo blind. I R E G R E T E V E R Y T H I N G. So i googled it. Theres no shame in googling. I think there is enough hints for you to figure out how to survive and kill bosses like deerclops and Dfly. Only certain things like beefalo taming need you to look it up. And i dont mind that. If you didnt know klei actually tried to give players instructions and achivements but after people did those instructions they just stopped playing and trying to do things on their own. So klei took notes and decided to never say anything ever again. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136678-something-a-lot-of-people-need-to-know/#findComment-1530490 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArubaroBeefalo Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 the trailers give a lot of hinds about every update, they should be in the compendium to help new players and people stuck who dont like spoilers Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136678-something-a-lot-of-people-need-to-know/#findComment-1530500 Share on other sites More sharing options...
X-lem Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 On 1/2/2022 at 6:55 PM, Ardcrumb said: I also had to explain to them that they added the lunar island, which over the last 3 years, i've seen 4 people go to on public servers On 1/2/2022 at 7:10 PM, Auth said: This is a good point. I hop on random servers from time to time and have seen boats being utilized 0 times. I’m curious to know what servers you two are playing on. I constantly see people rushing Lunar island to get stone fruit. Granted, I don’t see boats used much other than that in survival worlds (most ocean content is late game and people don’t want to do that if the server is going to reset after a year). In our endless worlds boats are used more often. Are people telling you they don’t know that Lunar island exists? Or do you just assume so because they don’t have any boats? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136678-something-a-lot-of-people-need-to-know/#findComment-1530510 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuuko Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 58 minutes ago, X-lem said: I’m curious to know what servers you two are playing on. I constantly see people rushing Lunar island to get stone fruit. Granted, I don’t see boats used much other than that in survival worlds (most ocean content is late game and people don’t want to do that if the server is going to reset after a year). In our endless worlds boats are used more often. Are people telling you they don’t know that Lunar island exists? Or do you just assume so because they don’t have any boats? Yeah - I hopped Klei would lean into boat rushing, and boat life when all that launched but its just been 1 shot, niche use, or high investment stuff. I was really enjoying the idea of being a DST pirate, sailing the seas and landing where people were basing to have fun, and then boat off. Instead its 1 shot, niche use, or long term investment. Few things are good enough from the ocean that you really gotta get out there anyway. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136678-something-a-lot-of-people-need-to-know/#findComment-1530525 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike23Ua Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 58 minutes ago, X-lem said: I’m curious to know what servers you two are playing on. I constantly see people rushing Lunar island to get stone fruit. Granted, I don’t see boats used much other than that in survival worlds (most ocean content is late game and people don’t want to do that if the server is going to reset after a year). In our endless worlds boats are used more often. Are people telling you they don’t know that Lunar island exists? Or do you just assume so because they don’t have any boats? Unless I’m mistaken they both play on Console with Me, and it’s true you will genuinely rarely see people building fully decked out boats despite boats having been one of the first things added back in 2019, if your lucky you may see people using them as bridges between gaps of land.. but rarely if ever will you see one fully built with fancy bells and whistles. People who play this game on console most of them don’t frequent the forums, they don’t read patch notes, those people learn mostly through watching other people do something in the game they didn’t even know the game was capable of doing. There may be a small number of players who are incredibly knowledgeable with the game: but for the most part on Xbox your not going to experience that. Xbox DOES have a edge over PC when it comes to learning stuff if your just going to go into it blindly without using Wiki/looking it up: And that’s that Xbox actually DOES have Achievements & I’m not ashamed at all to say that those brief achievement descriptions helped me learn how to plant flowers (helped because it doesn’t tell you HOW just that it’s possible.., Actually a quote when playing as Maxwell will tell you how.) How to build sewing kits, that I can recruit pigs and rock lobsters as followers, that I can TAME A Beefalo (the last acheivement I got to 100% complete them by the way) you get achievements for building your first Science, Alchemy & Prestihatitator So we aren’t complete left in the dark without guidance. But all those achievements date Pre-2019 updates- I bet you could go into any random world on Xbox scream MALBATROSS and almost everyone in the server reply “What’s a Malbatross?” Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136678-something-a-lot-of-people-need-to-know/#findComment-1530526 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuuko Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 15 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said: Unless I’m mistaken they both play on Console with Me, and it’s true you will genuinely rarely see people building fully decked out boats despite boats having been one of the first things added back in 2019, if your lucky you may see people using them as bridges between gaps of land.. but rarely if ever will you see one fully built with fancy bells and whistles. A fully decked out boat is a bad investment. If you see one its because someone wanted to build one, not because it was useful. No task is actually aided by sails and steering. All ocean trips can be short jaunts out and back, easily handled with a driftwood oar. You can locate the lunar island by observing the edges of the main land. Your first bottle will show granny's island, and its usually faster to chop a few more trees than to paddle or sail around the globe to get to her. Salt, tall trees, and ninja flowers are common enough you can usually find one close. Salt is only needed if you want a salt box, if fridge works you never need this. Ninja flowers are never worth the effort. Tall trees are late game only. With RWYS gardening stone fruit and kelp lost a lot of their edge so really you don't even get much for lunar rush... The biggest score I get for early lunar is a few glass axes from the set pieces more than anything. They are a nice early boost for Wolfgang or Warly, but once you have bosses harvesting trees for you they drop in value, especially b/c you have to return to the lunar and put together the idol to craft more. Quote I bet you could go into any random world on Xbox scream MALBATROSS and almost everyone in the server reply “What’s a Malbatross?” tbh Malbatross is a pain to fight, and you don't get much for it. Like I said above sails are hardly worth it, and that's all you really get for fighting her. Fighting her is a pain too b/c you gotta get out to bass spawns and fish a bit hoping she gets to you before the spawn is empty, then you gotta paddle around to the next one. At least bass are easy to catch lol but there is no *need* for fish that you can't satisfy from shore, or ponds so why go out there anyway? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136678-something-a-lot-of-people-need-to-know/#findComment-1530529 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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