Wanda is problematic in every way possible.

[SomebodyRandom]

16 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

Which leads me to wonder how this character will play with an Xbox controller, and like with Wortox’s soul hops will it be limited in range and locked in one on screen direction?

No difference because you don't control where the Backstep Clock teleports you; Rift Watch's portal appears near you and it's position is not controlled.

[Frosty_Mentos]

6 minutes ago, HowlVoid said:

She needs tuning imo, not any substantial nerfs. 

Her teleporting makes me super jelly and has been a highly requested late, late game qol.

The weapon deals so much damage but there are a lot of ways for klei to approach the balance for it. They can have all the watches sync with the cooldowns and then there can be an argument made for needing high offence on a very frail character.

The 2min revival items just need a longer cooldown imo (2-5 days/16-40min).

I don't know if you know that Wolfgang exists. I think you do? In terms of damage he still is a king + voltgoat jelly to make things sillier all together. I mean, the pocket watch is powerful only in her hands when she's really weak, seems pretty alright to me if you wanna be at your weakest to do most damage while to get killed faster on your mistakes.

The revival watch is just a cooldown based equivalent of many many life giving amulets that you can spam to craft... ruins will provide you with that more than enough and the cooldown on the watch seems only fine cause you can do insta revives with amulets while you gotta wait almost a day to just use the watch. 

Considering everything Maxwell should be even more powerful on his rework once it comes compared to her, since he's the true master of shadows afterall. Their both playstyles are similar cause they're both frail and gotta mind their weakness to perfect timing at kiting and having good armor. 

I mean, you got partial Wortox kiting ability on her with a cooldown, she regains very little time/health back with each clock she uses and can't heal from food. She likely will die from almost any natural causes rather than bosses, as Glermz said xDDD

[lakhnish]

10 minutes ago, Captain_Rage said:

If you can craft >40 Second Chances Watched without much effort and leave them on the ground in the arena by the Ancient Fuelweaver (or any stationary boss) it makes for an extremely forgiving fight, with infinite instant retries. You can simply revive indefinitely in the same spot. Not great gameplay design, considering the rest of the premises of the game.

If you are using 40 second chance watches against FW, I think you have a bigger problem.

Also, you will run out of resources against FW if you are going that long, unless you are bringing a crazy amount of resources to compensate for those 40 Watches you are bringing.

[ZolaRay03]

I don't like having characters that are good and add quality of life improvements like easier teleporting!

[Horsheen]

The only thing that needs tweaking IMO is the alarming clock's 0% damage. Other than that I think she's completely fine

[minespatch]

I think the official release and future tweaks the devs will do with her will help in the future.

[glob]

I Highly doubt they even did any serious playtesting. 

from allowing a portable healing pad also known as "wortox" or whatever to exist. and now this character with literally the best gadgets in the game, 

if her clocks are only useable by her then that becomes "pay to enjoy" to me. cutting down on travel sounds like a dream 

[Captain_Rage]

10 minutes ago, lakhnish said:

If you are using 40 second chance watches against FW, I think you have a bigger problem.

Also, you will run out of resources against FW if you are going that long, unless you are bringing a crazy amount of resources to compensate for those 40 Watches you are bringing.

Except not really. You can simply keep a stack of armors a screen away for recovery purposes. Then it won't be indefinite recovery but still pretty much. True enough, for finishing the fight you will still need to household resources without exhausting them. You are right about that. Still, this feels off by the original Don't Starve standards....

[HowlVoid]

26 minutes ago, Frosty_Mentos said:

I don't know if you know that Wolfgang exists. I think you do?

Let's not start.

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In terms of damage he still is a king + voltgoat jelly to make things sillier all together. I mean, the pocket watch is powerful only in her hands when she's really weak, seems pretty alright to me if you wanna be at your weakest to do most damage while to get killed faster on your mistakes.

Wanda does over 400+ damage, with jelly+spice combo, more than Wolfgang. There are a lot of ways to mitigate damage such as bone armor, while maintaining Wolfgangs 2x is harder to do. With a 95% damage reduction armor you can make plenty of mistakes especially if you have enough healing clocks on hand.

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The revival watch is just a cooldown based equivalent of many many life giving amulets that you can spam to craft... ruins will provide you with that more than enough and the cooldown on the watch seems only fine cause you can do insta revives with amulets while you gotta wait almost a day to just use the watch. 

She can use both. There is nothing preventing her from using both watches and amulets and she make a gateway straight to the ruins. If you stock up on plenty of infinite durability watches you can just die to bosses instead of healing. Don't see how a person needs more than one potential death every 2 or days anyways. The real problem is she can revive other players too quickly, why eat? Just revive. Why heal? Just revive. Why manage sanity? Just revive.

 

26 minutes ago, Frosty_Mentos said:

I mean, you got partial Wortox kiting ability on her with a cooldown, she regains very little time/health back with each clock she uses and can't heal from food. She likely will die from almost any natural causes rather than bosses, as Glermz said xDDD

Depends on skill level. I very much doubt I have anything to worry about in that regard. Even klaus's spells can be dodged. 

[Mike23Ua]

One thing I’m NOT going to do is compare her to any character who has yet to see their reworks (except Wilson cause currently he’s worse fun than Wes..)

Wolfgang, Wickerbottom, Maxwell, WX78.

Wickerbottom was actually nerfed not too long ago by having her books split into two different books and having the amount of things her books effect reduced.

With that many ??? Characters yet to get updates- it’s hard to accurately judge Wanda.

Wolfgang for example could see a raw power Nerf/proper balance adjustments same as Wicker recently saw.. 

So you simply can’t just say “Wolfgang Exists if you want to see OP” because YES Your Right Wolfgang DOES Exist, but for HOW LONG will continue to exist in his currently broken highly boring state of gameplay?

THAT is the question… and if Wickerbottom can see Nerfs- Wolfgang surly isn’t sacred.

Neither of those characters have been reworked yet- so if your going to judge Wanda AT ALL Judge her based on characters who actually HAVE been reworked already.

[Keller Max]

7 minutes ago, ldris said:

I Highly doubt they even did any serious playtesting. 

from allowing a portable healing pad also known as "wortox" or whatever to exist. and now this character with literally the best gadgets in the game, 

if her clocks are only useable by her then that becomes "pay to enjoy" to me. cutting down on travel sounds like a dream 

I dont want second Winona or Warly. Characters that you dont need to play as to get their benefits.

[Mysterious box]

1 hour ago, SomebodyRandom said:

Problem is though, Alarming Clock requires constant fueling with nightmare fuel, and it consumes through your fuel fast. Unfueled Alarming Clock is basically a Ham Bat. I doubt any beginner has that much nightmare fuel and would like to come down to the caves when they can just simply use a Ham Bat or Tentacle Spike to do the same or similar amount of damage. So it still stands, Wanda is not a beginner character.

Your saying this like it's a bad thing but I can't see infinitely fresh hambat as a bad thing.

Personally I think they should give the second chance watch a 2-3 day cooldown on a different note.

[Frosty_Mentos]

3 minutes ago, HowlVoid said:

Let's not start.

Oh, I've only just begun.

 

3 minutes ago, HowlVoid said:

Wanda does over 400+ damage, with jelly+spice combo, more than Wolfgang. There are a lot of ways to mitigate damage such as bone armor, while maintaining Wolfgangs 2x is harder to do. With a 95% damage reduction armor you can make plenty of mistakes especially if you have enough healing clock on hand.

Wolfgang also has a speedboost when he eats, he will have easier time to kite almost anything with speed. This game's most breaking feature when fighting anything is just SPEED. WX in a nutshell, but he's only tanky and speedy himself.

8 minutes ago, HowlVoid said:

She can use both. There is nothing preventing her from using both watches and amulets and she make a gateway straight to the ruins. If you stock up on plenty of infinite durability watches you can just die to bosses instead of healing. Don't see how a person needs more than one potential death every 2 or days anyways. The real problem is she can heal other players too quickly, why eat? Just revive. Why heal? Just revive. Why manage sanity? Just revive.

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Depends on skill level. I very much doubt I have anything to worry about in that regard. Even klaus's spells can be dodged. 

I can agree on this that at least 2 days of cooldown on that one since he's relatively kinda cheaper than amulets and is infinite? I mean, you can just spam craft a bunch of these sometime too, but will take some time for that to happen. Gigglesnorts.

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"Skill" is just knowledge in the game anyway, any dumb mistakes or game's mechanics can just kill you without a notice in general. I played this game for 7 years and still find ways to die. Skill or not it's all about resource management and knowing what to do, though doesn't change the fact that she's basically a Maxwell in health situation.

[balloonomancer]

1 hour ago, douan33 said:

You're acting as if Wanda has health.

I'm confused as to why you're saying she doesn't? I know her "health" is replaced with time but as far as I know it basically works the same except it decreases (health-wise) every 40 seconds. Am I just missing something?? Genuine question 

[Just-guy]

21 minutes ago, ldris said:

I Highly doubt they even did any serious playtesting. 

from allowing a portable healing pad also known as "wortox" or whatever to exist. and now this character with literally the best gadgets in the game, 

if her clocks are only useable by her then that becomes "pay to enjoy" to me. cutting down on travel sounds like a dream 

She is a DLC characther, and just like the other DLC characters, you pay to gain access to their items that have more benefit to them, items that are exclusive to them and designed to help them more than other characters. However, their items can still be helpful to other characters in other ways.

[HowlVoid]

34 minutes ago, Frosty_Mentos said:

Wolfgang also has a speedboost when he eats, he will have easier time to kite almost anything with speed. This game's most breaking feature when fighting anything is just SPEED. WX in a nutshell, but he's only tanky and speedy himself.

Speed is situational when you talk about its use in battle and wether or not you have bone armor.

With dragonfly bone armor makes speed completely unecessary.

When fighting Bee queen its less necessary if you have enough panflutes.

In Antlion fights speed is largely unecessary.

We'll also need to wait and see if her tele-dodge gets nerfed. I remember a dps comparison between Wortox and Wolfgang when fighting dragonfly. With base speed mighty Wolfgang, Wortox was only a few seconds behind. 

Speeds comes in great use when cutting down on the actual prep time required to fight a boss; in which case Wanda just teleports. I have been using Wormwood for 2 or so years now and can tell you speed is a small marginal improvement when you don't have the damage to back it up.

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"Skill" is just knowledge in the game anyway, any dumb mistakes or game's mechanics can just kill you without a notice in general. I played this game for 7 years and still find ways to die. Skill or not it's all about resource management and knowing what to do, though doesn't change the fact that she's basically a Maxwell in health situation.

Untrue. Knowledge is useless if you dont have the experience of when and how to apply it. I can't tell a beginner to dodge Dragonfly at 6 second intervals and expect them to get a flawless victory. 

I haven't died to overheating, freezing, nor hunger in a very long time because I know when to apply the knowledge I have gained. I have a good sense of my priorities and in what order to complete them thanks to experience not knowledge.

Skill= knowledge + experience.

I'm sure Ill have whole new set of skills to learn when I pick up Wanda. However, I still don't think I'll be dying to basic things like the weather.

[Stonefruit]

3 hours ago, douan33 said:

Spoiler

Skins and how she looks: Anime girl mods on Steam Workshop looks more official than her.

Look at the shading, the details, and the originality. There's no other skin that looks like this and she shading/color palette is really good

The clothes look good not going to lie, must be because shoes are almost entirely ripped off of a shoe from one of Woodie's skinset. Other than that, her clothes look good². Now look at her face, where are those glasses connected to? Why the color palette on her face does not exist? It looks like they poured a single color on her face. And her hair is a Wickerbottom rip-off. And the crown on her head is from Wigfrid's Roseate skin set.

 

 

I can't make any statements about balancing, nerfing, buffing, etc, etc, etc, but I feel I can at least comment on the art critique.

I think the comparison of WX's shading to Wanda's lack thereof is a wee bit unfair. If you look at the character lineup, WX really seems to be the only one with that dramatic shading. Her skin uses a more saturated color than any of the other human characters, for sure, so I think that's what might throw people off a bit. --She also does (from what I've seen) have the shading around the eyes other characters do, it's just covered by the goggles in this.

The originality "problem" ... eh. She has a high-bun like Wickerbottom does, but a lot of people have similar hairstyles so I don't really think that's a problem. Besides, Wicker's hair seems much thinner (or maybe finer is the word) while Wanda's hair has a lot more volume and wildness to it. Black-spikey-crown-thing also isn't patented to Wigfrid. And, let's be honest, how different can you make different sets of black boots look on such a small scale?

idk, I get what you're saying on some of the other points, but the art critique just seems kinda stretched.

[Toroic]

14 minutes ago, HowlVoid said:

Speed is situational when you talk about its use in battle and wether or not you have bone armor.

With dragonfly bone armor makes speed completely unecessary.

When fighting Bee queen its less necessary if you have enough panflutes.

In Antlion fights speed is largely unecessary.

We'll also need to wait and see if her tele-dodge gets nerfed. I remember a dps comparison between Wortox and Wolfgang when fighting dragonfly. With base speed mighty Wolfgang, Wortox was only a few seconds behind. 

Speeds comes in great use when cutting down on the actual prep time required to fight a boss; in which case Wanda just teleports. I have been using Wormwood for 2 or so years now and can tell you speed is a small marginal improvement when you don't have the damage to back it up.

Untrue. Knowledge is useless if you dont have the experience of when and how to apply it. I can't tell a beginner to dodge Dragonfly at 6 second intervals and expect them to get a flawless victory. 

I haven't died to overheating, freezing, nor hunger in a very long time because I know when to apply the knowledge I have gained. I have a good sense of my priorities and in what order to complete them thanks to experience not knowledge.

Skill= knowledge + experience.

I'm sure Ill have whole new set of skills to learn when I pick up Wanda. However, I still don't think I'll be dying to basic things like the weather.

The important thing with Wanda is it you can dodge “in place” like with Wortox she’ll be by far the best dps in the game, no exceptions.

Wolfgang’s max damage without blowdarts is 408 and that goes down constantly without a milk hat

Wanda can deal 468 damage under the same conditions, consistently and comes with functional immortality and boatloads of utility as well.

If Wanda can do the in place dodge with the backtrack watch she’ll take zero damage and end fights far, far faster than Wolfgang unless he can spam blow darts and never need to move.

Wanda is absurdly powerful offensively, defensively, and with utility with her ability to revive others (I assume with no health penalty) and make wormholes not just across maps but to anywhere in the server cluster.

[HowlVoid]

2 minutes ago, Toros said:

The important thing with Wanda is it you can dodge “in place” like with Wortox she’ll be by far the best dps in the game, no exceptions.

Wolfgang’s max damage without blowdarts is 408 and that goes down constantly without a milk hat

Wanda can deal 468 damage under the same conditions, consistently and comes with functional immortality and boatloads of utility as well.

If Wanda can do the in place dodge with the backtrack watch she’ll take zero damage and end fights far, far faster than Wolfgang unless he can spam blow darts and never need to move.

Wanda is absurdly powerful offensively, defensively, and with utility with her ability to revive others (I assume with no health penalty) and make wormholes not just across maps but to anywhere in the server cluster.

That's... everything I've said so far... Did you mean to quote me?

[Astraia]

Wanda is pretty OP, makes it so easy for 3 year old's to play

Her shadow pocketwatch is super op with spicy goat jelly, dealing a whopping 400+ damage in her older form

Her pocketwatch (I completely forgot their names) that lets her travel through space and time is perfect for kiting, it is just like Wortox being invincible
(that was back in the days, we unfortunately can't do this any longer) with his souls, so if they nerfed his invincible mechanic with soul hopping, they'll most likely nerf Wanda's too, without any doubts.

Anyway, Wanda's so good, she most likely needs a nerf.

G'day : ) 

[Guille6785]

Besides the dumb revive watch that makes every other revive option pointless, I think she's fine, she offers a lot of unique late game utility but has a slower early game

also because nobody here actually knows what they're talking about: no the backstep watch is not useful for kiting lol

[Astraia]

1 minute ago, Guille6785 said:

no the backstep watch is not useful for kiting lol

Yes it is B)

You just need to learn ONE skill, and that one skill is simply perfect timing

[HowlVoid]

3 minutes ago, Guille6785 said:

also because nobody here actually knows what they're talking about: no the backstep watch is not useful for kiting lol

Damn, why is everyone so toxic today?

[Astraia]

Just now, HowlVoid said:

Damn, why is everyone so toxic today?

Exactly B)