MooChiChi Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 Hello friends, today I share with you my straightforward sulfur geyser tamer. Basically, the following construction will deal with any sulfur geyser, regardless of it's values. Exceptions will be revealed by completely filling the geyser chamber (see 1.) with liquid sulfur. This will not affect the function of the structure in any way. Processing 3000g liquid sulfur into 3000g solid sulfur per second. Output temperature is adjustible and can be 25°C or less. The build is not self-sufficient and must be supplied with electricity. Liquid pump made of steel. The room should, but does not have to be, in a vacuum. Each liquid valves is set to 1000g. Keep them in a vacuum, to avoid overheating. The heatsink. Radiant liquid pipes: aluminum. Tiles: diamond and aluminum. You can choose materials with less thermal conductivity, for the price of less effective cooling. The dropbox. The room design is non-binding and can be adapted as required. If the chosen materials match the suggestion at point 3, following applies: obtained sulfur temperature = liquid pipe thermo sensor temperature +~6°C. The mesh tile below the conveyor loader prevents the occasional formation of a natural tile in this place while loading the game (see hints). The aquatuner must be made of steel. Vacuum and 200kg water in the steam chamber. This results in an uptime of approx. 60%/cycle for the aquatuner and 300-500 W power from the steam turbine (when the geyser is active and the thermo sensor is set to 20°C). Radiant pipes are necessary as shown. Insulated pipes (igneous rock) should be used from the pump to the liquid valves, the rest is not mandatory. Overflow under the aquatuner. Cooling loop filled with polluted water. Not shown here, but highly recommended is a liquid reservoir for the cooling loop. Makes the aquatuner activity very even. That's it. Savefile is attached. Hints The sulfur in this build will still remain in liquid state till it hits a solid tile and change into debris. If you save the game during the situation on the left, you will find a natural tile in this place when you reload. Under the given circumstances, this will happen to any liquid that should actually be solid. A strange experience for me. Is this known? However, you can avoid this by placing a mesh tile. One last thing: when I set up the build (after a long, trouble-free trial in the sandbox) in my maingame, I noticed something strange that I can't explain. I would be grateful if someone could explain how this can be possible. See here: Thanks for your attention! Kind regards SULFUR GEYSER DEBUG.sav Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurgel Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 Very nice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nedix Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 I will definitely try this out. If the map allows (if the geyser is closer to a magma volcano or pool) I will enlarge the steam room and combine it with a larger array of turbines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MooChiChi Posted January 11, 2021 Author Share Posted January 11, 2021 53 minutes ago, Nedix said: I will definitely try this out. If the map allows (if the geyser is closer to a magma volcano or pool) I will enlarge the steam room and combine it with a larger array of turbines. That pleases me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babba Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 Awesome build and graphic presentation ! I love you name and avatar image dear @MooChiChi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MooChiChi Posted January 11, 2021 Author Share Posted January 11, 2021 8 minutes ago, babba said: Awesome build and graphic presentation ! I love you name and avatar image dear @MooChiChi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghkbrew Posted January 11, 2021 Share Posted January 11, 2021 Very Nice. I really like this bit: I've never actually tried that before. I'm glad to know it works. Though, I think it may strain the definition of simple :) Also if you pre-chill with the turbine exhaust water between 2. and 3. you'll get a lot closer to power neutral. Essentially what @nakomaru does here: https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125792-simple-sulfur-tamers-power-positiveneutral/?do=findComment&comment=1413887 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MooChiChi Posted January 11, 2021 Author Share Posted January 11, 2021 42 minutes ago, ghkbrew said: Though, I think it may strain the definition of simple Well, let's call it ocd-simple ^^ 46 minutes ago, ghkbrew said: Also if you pre-chill with the turbine exhaust water between 2. and 3. you'll get a lot closer to power neutral. Thanks for the hint. I will check this out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zach123b Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 why not combine the steam room with the sulfur geyser? sulfur solidifies at 115c and the steam turbine only works above 125c Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nakomaru Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 Here's a highly efficient variant using both of our concepts. Nice catch about the solid tiles upon reload. Add battery / automation limiting autotuner above 140C / below 50% battery etc as needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MooChiChi Posted January 12, 2021 Author Share Posted January 12, 2021 7 hours ago, zach123b said: why not combine the steam room with the sulfur geyser? sulfur solidifies at 115c and the steam turbine only works above 125c Nakomaru has it already done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sakura_sk Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 The only thing that confuses me... Why is sulfur white inside pipes?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TripleM999 Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 I wonder, if something conceptional similar would work with niobium geysers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yunru Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 10 minutes ago, TripleM999 said: I wonder, if something conceptional similar would work with niobium geysers... You mean like this? :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TripleM999 Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 10 minutes ago, Yunru said: You mean like this? :P I thought more like contactless pumping and pipesplitting for cooling... and using mesh for tilebuildblocking. This tamer build i have already seen. I was only thinking about, if there are other possiblities, cause of the temperature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MooChiChi Posted January 12, 2021 Author Share Posted January 12, 2021 34 minutes ago, TripleM999 said: I wonder, if something conceptional similar would work with niobium geysers... Yes, it will. Actually it will work with every type of hot liquid (e.g. liquid iron, gold, copper, aluminum, magma...). The structure of the build will be of course different, depending on the liquid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TripleM999 Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, MooChiChi said: Yes, it will. Actually it will work with every type of hot liquid (e.g. liquid iron, gold, copper, aluminum, magma...). The structure of the build will be of course different, depending on the liquid. And the trigger/cooling liquid for the pump and the pipes could be a problem maybe... is liquid steel too hot for a thermium pump? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nakomaru Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 @TripleM999 Maybe you have already seen these too, but @ghkbrew demonstrated a solution that works for 4000K niobium. HeatEngine has made a full example of the same thing, and mukca has made a two stage version as well. (all in the link) Niobium is in some sense simpler because the turbine does 98% of the work, so nothing else is needed if you are happy with 98%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TripleM999 Posted January 12, 2021 Share Posted January 12, 2021 5 minutes ago, nakomaru said: @TripleM999 Maybe you have already seen these too, but @ghkbrew demonstrated a solution that works for 4000K niobium. HeatEngine has made a full example of the same thing, and mukca has made a two stage version as well. (all in the link) Niobium is in some sense simpler because the turbine does 98% of the work, so nothing else is needed if you are happy with 98%. Now that you mentioned it, i remember. And even without obscure liquids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MooChiChi Posted January 12, 2021 Author Share Posted January 12, 2021 4 hours ago, TripleM999 said: And the trigger/cooling liquid for the pump and the pipes could be a problem maybe... is liquid steel too hot for a thermium pump? For volcano tamers I use the pump tricks, see link. Usually with visco gel that goes trough the heat exchange, in turn to keep the pump (in vaccum) chill. The choice of the material is relatively irrelevant, as it will always be in a vaccum for this occasion and will not exchange heat with the liquid (e.g. lead pump for magma possible). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miravlix Posted January 16, 2021 Share Posted January 16, 2021 Why does the ops title contain the word simple? This is a super advanced, super complex, INCREDIBLE not simple setup... A simple use of it would be just let the liquid sulfur pour out onto enough floor that it cool, then have dupes pick it up. Sure it wouldn't last forever, just a few 1000 cycles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MooChiChi Posted January 16, 2021 Author Share Posted January 16, 2021 8 minutes ago, Miravlix said: A simple use of it would be just let the liquid sulfur pour out onto enough floor that it cool, then have dupes pick it up. Sure it wouldn't last forever, just a few 1000 cycles. But in this case it wouldn't be a tamer, it would be..., just liquid sulfur pour onto floor. It also wouldn't be cooled, so you can't use it for your plants. Anyway, I changed the title for you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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