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minespatch    51,527

Okay, so I want to make some nature reserves. Do wild plants mean untouched plants?

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Moonshade    25

wild plant:  are plants that grow in natural tiles

to plant a seed in natural tiles you need to use a critter called pip. there are limitations to it's planting behaviour but  for those reservoirs it's no problem unless other plants are nearby.

so untouched plants do fall under the definition but aren't all of them

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Junksteel    442
Posted (edited)
15 minutes ago, Moonshade said:

there are limitations to it's planting behaviour

Do we have a summary of their behavior already after the last patch?

It seems some plants can grow in different tiles other than dirt.

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Lurve    234

Right now they'll plant anything in anything, it seems.  I've seen a pip plant mealwood in granite.  It's almost certainly going to be patched again soon.

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cpy    216

Mealwood can appear in granite normally no?

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Junksteel    442
11 minutes ago, cpy said:

Mealwood can appear in granite normally no?

I guess it can spawn in granite no problem, but the news is the pip planting at it.

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Gurgel    984

I think our data-miner said that Pips would now plant in anything with a max hardness of 150 and that the other restrictions are basically missing in the code. I am unable to find that posting at the moment.

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Junksteel    442
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15 hours ago, nakomaru said:

A tile is eligible for planting when the total plants surrounding it is two or less, in a 13x11 zone centered at the tile. The location of the plant for this is the root of the plant (one tile below or above the planted tile).

I guess I'm having trouble to understand their pattern. Any thoughts on why the locked pip is not planting in the remaining slots?

I thought PPP SSSS PPP SSSS was the key, but Pip refuses to fill all the P's!!! :(

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nakomaru    473
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Draw a 13x11 12x11 block (6 towards the left and 5 in other directions) around each of the two remaining middle tiles. Add up the plant roots in range.

They each count 3 plants. Ineligible.

Remove the right plants. Plant the middle two, then plant the right two. All left to right in order.

The far right should be eligible unless there is some buried plant on the right or something. Or it can't plant in aluminum.

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nakomaru    473

If it is just buried debris it won't matter. It might be possible for a plant that had been covered in sand or something to still prevent planting. Not sure though. It could also just be the aluminum.

And no.

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Junksteel    442
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I'm messing around with wild farming for some hours now and it's a pretty interesting mechanic although a bit underwelming at the moment. Managing Pips to do what is desired is a pain but doable. The biggest problem I see is the range of eligible spots for farming after having a finished layer. Apparently, it's not possible to have other layers of wild plants directly above or underneath the first one. Even those wild balm lillys or pincha pepper outside the basic biome can be an obstacle to build a farm from the inside using all spots you have. If we take into account that not all tiles and temperature ranges in the map are candidates for all plants, it seems absurd trying to sustain the colony in a single resource through this path. It's like trying to complete a puzzle with missing parts using very poor tools to do each slow move. Mistakes are full of regret and not rarely are definitive (unless ofc someone bothers to melt stuff and cool that down to plant on that spot. Good luck with that!)

A good solution would be if the Pip checked wild plants of the same type for eligibility, not all types of wil plants. It would make farms more varied and the amount of micro management would still be insane. And this range could be after all be less penalyzing too. It almost feels wrong trying to explore the mechanic in survival as if the game had various manners to stop you from doing what you want.

If someone have prints or models of bases getting meaningful benefits from wild farming to share it would be much appreciated.

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Junksteel    442

Thanks. The problem is if you try to do the same in the floor above or underneath this layer, considering you use 4-height floors. I'm using that pattern already.

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nakomaru    473
Posted (edited)
1 hour ago, snoozer said:

It´s also possible to encourage pips planting in a 3-3-3 pattern. It needs to be done from right to left.

That's nuts. So it's actually a 12x11 rectangle, with 6 tiles to the left and 5 tiles to the right? Could it be any more confusing? Awesome find.

1 hour ago, Junksteel said:

The problem is if you try to do the same in the floor above or underneath this layer, considering you use 4-height floors.

Actually, if you go from top to bottom, you can plant every 5 tiles (i.e. 4 tile rooms and 1 tile floors). For upside plants, you have to go from bottom to top. The check is from the TILE to the ROOT.

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nakomaru    473
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2 minutes ago, Junksteel said:

From left to right

Plant top to bottom, right to left!

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PhailRaptor    840
2 hours ago, nakomaru said:

That's nuts. So it's actually a 12x11 rectangle, with 6 tiles to the left and 5 tiles to the right? Could it be any more confusing? Awesome find.

That's not unlike the problem Pacu used to have, where they only checked for available living space to their right, and not at all to their left.  So you could have a huge tank, but if they swam all the way to the right side of it, even a single Pacu could be Overcrowded.

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OxCD    209

Hi all.

Is anyone know why this pip doesn't want to plant seeds on the left side ?

I've briar seed, arbor corn and mirth leaf on the floor at the bottom of my storage.

It was a pain in the a** to get those dirt tiles here, I really hope the pip's planting rule is not going to mess everything...

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Junksteel    442
4 minutes ago, OxCD said:

Hi all.

Is anyone know why this pip doesn't want to plant seeds on the left side ?

I've briar seed, arbor corn and mirth leaf on the floor at the bottom of my storage.

It was a pain in the a** to get those dirt tiles here, I really hope the pip's planting rule is not going to mess everything...

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Other wild plants in range out of the ss? Otherwise they should be planting. @nakomaru educated me how the pattern works and it was a pain to accept. It's 3 plants, 4 no plants slots, 3 plants and so on..... there is a tricky rectangle pips use to check that Nakomaru will explain better.

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OxCD    209
3 minutes ago, nakomaru said:

See what happens if you deconstruct the joyas and buddy.

Wououuuu you're a boss ;) other plants around were interfering. Thanks a lot !!

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