Infinity gas storage

[fiziologus]

Store unlimited amount gas in unlimited amount canister. No need filter, dupes know arcane lore 'as manual separate one gas in canister from other'.

And without any bugs and exploits.

[Prince Mandor]

But how you make them to drop full canister on the floor and take next?

This is more interesting part of design, not canister filler itself

[Nightinggale]

2 hours ago, Prince Mandor said:

But how you make them to drop full canister on the floor and take next?

There is an empty building button. However you would have to manually click it every 10 seconds. The real question is how do you set it up to avoid having to manually press that button?

[metallichydra]

and how do the get all those canisters from? they just magically appear. same for liquid bottles.

[Oozinator]

4 hours ago, fiziologus said:

And without any bugs and exploits.

On cycle 2 having a canister filler.. Some would call that an exploit too.
For mass hoarding, you can use same tech, like this guy did..

 

[metallichydra]

14 minutes ago, Oozinator said:

On cycle 2 having a canister filler.. Some would call that an exploit too.
For mass hoarding, you can use same tech, like this guy did.

you do know that he is using sandbox mode, right?

[OxCD]

55 minutes ago, metallichydra said:

you do know that he is using sandbox mode, right?

The point is that's not the point. (And a gentle chaff by the way).

Mmmh... What's the point of the OP again ? As far as I get it, it's just showing the primary role-playing of the canister filler, or do I have missed something ?

[Khullag]

i use non-cheaty (meaning without liquid on top of the vent) infinite gas storage for ages already: gas bottlers (1-3 depending on the throughput) + buffer gas tank before them and right next to them water lock and small room just to fit 1-2 (again depending on throughput) gas bottle emptiers and 1 gas pump (to pump gas out when i need it). bottle emptiers never overpressurize. e.g. in my current base i collect left-over hydrogen that way from the SPOM unit and currently i have 400 kg per tile in a 10 tile room full of hydrogen. same for natural gas from geysers. also good to have atmo suit in front of this room to prevent wet feet debuff from running though water lock. this build is not cheaty as i said and requires a little bit of dupe time occasionally (also it's not really critical to postpone gas delivery since you have a buffer tank)

[Oozinator]

5 hours ago, metallichydra said:

you do know that he is using sandbox mode, right?

[mathmanican]

10 hours ago, Oozinator said:

For mass hoarding, you can use same tech, like this guy did..

Oh the days of the NG monster plants, and drip cooling. Fun times. I loved that post. Every time I see a MOGOM, I think of that post and dupes carrying lava around.

On a side not, back to the OP, here is a thread with some more comments, directly related to this topic. They use an automatic "dupe empty" setup so that you don't have to manually click to empty storage. Of course, combine it with a DupeDropStuffinatorTM, and you've don't have to empty it at all. 

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[OxCD]

2 hours ago, mathmanican said:

Oh the days of the NG monster plants, and drip cooling. Fun times. I loved that post. Every time I see a MOGOM, I think of that post and dupes carrying lava around.

On a side not, back to the OP, here is a thread with some more comments, directly related to this topic. They use an automatic "dupe empty" setup so that you don't have to manually click to empty storage. Of course, combine it with a DupeDropStuffinatorTM, and you've don't have to empty it at all. 

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The OP was delectable.  All credits to the sleeping "regular dup". Cuteness & despair at the same time.

Related to him, the comment just below gets the silver medal.

[Yunru]

Shouldn't be too hard to adapt this design:

And it wasn't. Hardest part was deciding how I wanted to do collection.

Edit: Power the mechanised airlock or some will slip through.

[Zarquan]

I use bead pumps for infinite gas storage.  What I like about them is that they don't exploit any buildings.  They only exploit the basic physics of the game (e.g. gases rise in liquids, there is only 1 element per tile)

 

[fiziologus]

@mathmanican, joke (OK, not full joke) on first look became no joke in right hands.

@Zarquan, bead pump store (without some self-defence) gas while flow water. One black-out or water shortage, and all release from storage.

 

[mathmanican]

2 hours ago, fiziologus said:

One black-out or water shortage, and all release from storage.

False. Check that thread for more details. With a brown out the pump still works for quite a while with backed up pipes. And the design is engineered to keep gasses separate even if water stops flowing. You never allow different gas types to mix under any circumstances.

[0xFADE]

You can use temperature to infinitely store some gasses by bringing them down to a solid state. 

[Zarquan]

6 hours ago, fiziologus said:

@Zarquan, bead pump store (without some self-defence) gas while flow water. One black-out or water shortage, and all release from storage.

4 hours ago, mathmanican said:

False. Check that thread for more details. With a brown out the pump still works for quite a while with backed up pipes. And the design is engineered to keep gasses separate even if water stops flowing. You never allow different gas types to mix under any circumstances.

Mathmanican is correct.  It would take an extended power outage to make a storage scheme like this fail.  I usually have it on a dedicated power system, like the only thing connected to a hydrogen generator that has an endless supply.  But, even if it wasn't safe, I usually use a gas pump to move the liquid in to a separate room and then use a bead pump to pump the gas out of the area with the vent.  If the bead pump failed, the gas would flood the vent room, which has the effect of pressurizing the vent, disabling it.  However, since the bead pump is a percentage-based pump (meaning the amount pumped is proportional to the pressure), it will quickly depressurize the vent and begin functioning again. 

I'd post a picture, but it isn't available to me right now. 

[Yunru]

You can also just use an escher waterfall for your bead pump, which is entirely power-free.

[mathmanican]

@fiziologus, I wanted to add a little more to what @Zarquan said, and add the picture.

1 minute ago, Zarquan said:

It would take an extended power outage to make a storage scheme like this fail. 

Even with a complete power outage for 100 cycles, the design below (or something similar) will never combine gasses.

Why?  If the liquid shuts off, then eventually you'll have two tile tall stacks of crude below petro, above each ledge in the middle. Even the paltry 300g of petro on the top part of each stack is enough to block gasses from flowing past. Each compartment is permanently  sealed off from the other - it's the same principle as a two tile high liquid lock. Instead, this will happen:

7 minutes ago, Zarquan said:

If the bead pump failed, the gas would flood the vent room, which has the effect of pressurizing the vent, disabling it.

So you won't get to keep on stuffing more gas into the room (that may cause other issues), but the gases will stay separate. I loved your last part @Zarquan, namely the reminder that the bead pump works off percentages - amazing how rapidly you can depressurize from 50000kg down to under 2kg. 

 

2 minutes ago, Yunru said:

You can also just use an escher waterfall for your bead pump, which is entirely power-free.

Yep, just a "little" more space intensive.  

1 hour ago, 0xFADE said:

You can use temperature to infinitely store some gasses by bringing them down to a solid state. 

And, if done right, you get back twice as much gas when you thaw it.  Good times.  

[Technoincubus]

Can auto-handler operate with the bottles? Take them from gas bottler?

[fiziologus]

11 hours ago, Zarquan said:

Mathmanican is correct.  It would take an extended power outage to make a storage scheme like this fail.  I usually have it on a dedicated power system, like the only thing connected to a hydrogen generator that has an endless supply.  But, even if it wasn't safe, I usually use a gas pump to move the liquid in to a separate room and then use a bead pump to pump the gas out of the area with the vent.  If the bead pump failed, the gas would flood the vent room, which has the effect of pressurizing the vent, disabling it.  However, since the bead pump is a percentage-based pump (meaning the amount pumped is proportional to the pressure), it will quickly depressurize the vent and begin functioning again. 

I'd post a picture, but it isn't available to me right now.

Only if (it one self-defence).

I also correct. Pure scheme, without pumping room, dedicate power, water buffer etc (self-defence) work while flow water (I test this scheme once, even little moded for multy-gas case).

PS:  Speed bead pump in most case is about 1/3 pressure entering gas per second (pressure 3DA, 3kg, pumping speed 1DA, 1kg/s). Wide gape for gase entering rise speed to half pressure, but only while pressure high.

[Sasza22]

5 hours ago, Technoincubus said:

Can auto-handler operate with the bottles? Take them from gas bottler?

Auto sweeper can`t move bottles.