Neotuck Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 7 minutes ago, Zarquan said: Do dupes get sopping wet from this if they aren't wearing exosuits? Because there was a time when they wouldn't. As I said before, Dupes do not get wet if they jump through it Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96320-how-to-make-1-tile-wide-liquid-air-locks/page/2/#findComment-1092460 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarquan Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 I didn't see that part of the conversation. Thanks. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96320-how-to-make-1-tile-wide-liquid-air-locks/page/2/#findComment-1092461 Share on other sites More sharing options...
0xFADE Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Oh so the center is a vacuum? Nice design. Do dupes exhale during a jump? That would break the liquid wall. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96320-how-to-make-1-tile-wide-liquid-air-locks/page/2/#findComment-1092465 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotuck Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 9 minutes ago, 0xFADE said: Oh so the center is a vacuum? Nice design. Do dupes exhale during a jump? That would break the liquid wall. I had thought that but I have not seen it happen after lots of testing Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96320-how-to-make-1-tile-wide-liquid-air-locks/page/2/#findComment-1092467 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnus Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 11 minutes ago, 0xFADE said: Oh so the center is a vacuum? Nice design. Do dupes exhale during a jump? That would break the liquid wall. Already discussed. No they don't but they can fart during a jump. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96320-how-to-make-1-tile-wide-liquid-air-locks/page/2/#findComment-1092469 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotuck Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 I'm just putting it out there, the flatulent skill is a deal breaker for me when selecting dupes, I don't care how good the other stats are Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96320-how-to-make-1-tile-wide-liquid-air-locks/page/2/#findComment-1092474 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarquan Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 I thought they didn't get wet or exhale when in the lock because the jump is essentially a teleport. They don't exhale in the waterlock because, as far as the game is concerned, they were never in the waterlock. So I see four possibilities. Jumps are not actually teleports and are some other mechanism so that they somehow they don't get wet and don't exhale while inside the lock. Jumps are teleports and flatulent dupes can break vertical waterlocks using weird gas physics when they exhale and fart at the same time. But this could be prevented by making them unable to breathe around the waterlock. Flatulent dupes release natural gas in a tile next to them rather than a tile on them, which can break the waterlock while they are not in it. Flatulent dupes don't actually break these vertical waterlocks and we all just assume they do because flatulent dupes are the worst and break everything. I bet the correct answer is 2, but does anyone know for certain? 14 minutes ago, Neotuck said: I'm just putting it out there, the flatulent skill is a deal breaker for me when selecting dupes, I don't care how good the other stats are I agree. I was playing an "Accept all dupes" and got a group with 3 flatulent groups and reloaded rather than accepting one of them. I think it should be removed from the game or reworked. Maybe they release natural gas only while doing certain things. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96320-how-to-make-1-tile-wide-liquid-air-locks/page/2/#findComment-1092479 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotuck Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 What about if they removed the flatulent skill and instead it becomes a debuff every time dupes eat food that is 25% fresh or lower Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96320-how-to-make-1-tile-wide-liquid-air-locks/page/2/#findComment-1092482 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarquan Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 9 minutes ago, Neotuck said: What about if they removed the flatulent skill and instead it becomes a debuff every time dupes eat food that is 25% fresh or lower If that is were thing, I want to be able to ban eating food at that level of freshness. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96320-how-to-make-1-tile-wide-liquid-air-locks/page/2/#findComment-1092486 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoma_Nosme Posted October 10, 2018 Share Posted October 10, 2018 Either way...farts, no farts in mid air...they never wash their pants...mother of god! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96320-how-to-make-1-tile-wide-liquid-air-locks/page/2/#findComment-1092487 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigjw Posted October 10, 2018 Author Share Posted October 10, 2018 I'm surprised that Klei haven't or aren't intending to introduce some kind of laundry system Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96320-how-to-make-1-tile-wide-liquid-air-locks/page/2/#findComment-1092597 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigjw Posted October 11, 2018 Author Share Posted October 11, 2018 8 hours ago, Saturnus said: That will not work for very long. Instead use this 4 step process that actually works. 1) Build a U bend. Insulated tiles are the one you intend to keep. 2) Pour in 3 different liquids. The bottom one, typically crude oil, have to cover the bottom tile and some of the 2nd tile. The amount of liquid in the top 3 layers doesn't matter. The order they are poured in doesn't matter either as they'll arrange themselves. 3) Put in the roof tile and deconstruct one side to let excess fluids run out. Mop. Repeat for the other side. Typically requires multiple mop order on both sides. 4) Finish roof, and you're done. The point here is that the dupe cannot stand inside the liquid and breathe which will break the liquid lock due to CO2 moving one of the liquids away. That's why it's two deep so standing on the bottom would not allow the dupe to breathe, and the dupe will just jump the one tile gap instead. What volumes of liquids are we talking about for this? I have tried using 800kg/500kg of crude oil, 500kg petrol and 500kg water. When I get to stage 3, as soon as I mop, the column breaks and i'm left with less than 1kg of petrol and water. If I don't mop, I end up with a bell shape covering 3 tiles wide in the gap, not the 1 tile wide column. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96320-how-to-make-1-tile-wide-liquid-air-locks/page/2/#findComment-1092612 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Flying Fox Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 19 minutes ago, Craigjw said: What volumes of liquids are we talking about for this? I have tried using 800kg/500kg of crude oil, 500kg petrol and 500kg water. When I get to stage 3, as soon as I mop, the column breaks and i'm left with less than 1kg of petrol and water. If I don't mop, I end up with a bell shape covering 3 tiles wide in the gap, not the 1 tile wide column. Tiny, usually less then 100 grams for the top two liquids. It's basically the maximum amount of liquid that sits on a stair-step before spilling over. For most liquids, it's like 40 grams and then it spills over to the next tile producing a spot of 30 grams and 10 grams on the next tile. Only the more dense thicker liquids stack any higher, like liquid metals, magma, and Visco-gel. And Visco-gel has the unique property of trying to stack upwards first (Seemingly), before spilling off to the sides. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96320-how-to-make-1-tile-wide-liquid-air-locks/page/2/#findComment-1092617 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnus Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 8 hours ago, Craigjw said: What volumes of liquids are we talking about for this? I have tried using 800kg/500kg of crude oil, 500kg petrol and 500kg water. When I get to stage 3, as soon as I mop, the column breaks and i'm left with less than 1kg of petrol and water. If I don't mop, I end up with a bell shape covering 3 tiles wide in the gap, not the 1 tile wide column. That's why I wrote it doesn't matter how much you pour in in the top 3 layers. The two layers than form the liquid lock will only be grams when it's complete. And as long as you observe the correct build order and put in the middle roof tile before you mop there should be no problems forming the liquid lock. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96320-how-to-make-1-tile-wide-liquid-air-locks/page/2/#findComment-1092696 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickerooni Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 On 10/10/2018 at 8:51 AM, Saturnus said: That will not work for very long. What’s changing? On 10/10/2018 at 8:51 AM, Saturnus said: That will not work for very long. Spoiler What’s changing? On 10/10/2018 at 8:51 AM, Saturnus said: That will not work for very long What’s changing? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96320-how-to-make-1-tile-wide-liquid-air-locks/page/2/#findComment-1093154 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnus Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 47 minutes ago, Nickerooni said: What’s changing? Already explained. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96320-how-to-make-1-tile-wide-liquid-air-locks/page/2/#findComment-1093165 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulwind Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 I haven't used it in a long time. Does naphtha still stack upwards too? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96320-how-to-make-1-tile-wide-liquid-air-locks/page/2/#findComment-1093320 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarquan Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 On 10/10/2018 at 9:51 AM, Saturnus said: When constructing this, shouldn't the mop order not be there in particular? Because mop mops water from the adjacent tiles too, so shouldn't it be separated by at least one tile? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96320-how-to-make-1-tile-wide-liquid-air-locks/page/2/#findComment-1093339 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnus Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Just now, Zarquan said: When constructing this, shouldn't the mop order not be there in particular? Because mop mops water from the adjacent tiles too, so shouldn't it be separated by at least one tile? No, it's fine. Try it. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96320-how-to-make-1-tile-wide-liquid-air-locks/page/2/#findComment-1093341 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarquan Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 I have tried it with 1 tile corner waterlocks. If I have them mop right next to it, the waterlock goes away, so I have them mop one tile away. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96320-how-to-make-1-tile-wide-liquid-air-locks/page/2/#findComment-1093342 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnus Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 11 minutes ago, Zarquan said: I have tried it with 1 tile corner waterlocks. If I have them mop right next to it, the waterlock goes away, so I have them mop one tile away. This is different. As I said: Try it! I've done this countless times and it have never failed. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96320-how-to-make-1-tile-wide-liquid-air-locks/page/2/#findComment-1093359 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yunru Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Question: Why the three different liquids? Why not just two? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96320-how-to-make-1-tile-wide-liquid-air-locks/page/2/#findComment-1093368 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnus Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 Just now, Yunru said: Question: Why the three different liquids? Why not just two? For some reason it eventually break if there's only two. Not sure of the exact reason though. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96320-how-to-make-1-tile-wide-liquid-air-locks/page/2/#findComment-1093369 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhailRaptor Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 5 hours ago, Soulwind said: I haven't used it in a long time. Does naphtha still stack upwards too? No, that was removed pretty quickly. There is a new Space Age material that does exactly that, though, and it appears to be it's intended use. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96320-how-to-make-1-tile-wide-liquid-air-locks/page/2/#findComment-1093503 Share on other sites More sharing options...
goatt Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 Here is another method. Use a valve to create a pipe with stream of 35g liquid, then break the pipe to get that 35g liquid (water, oil, Pwater, etc.), then stack those liquids normally on any ground, and they will stay on each other even without a roof tile. Make sure the liquid emptier is higher than the liquid on the ground so that its nasal won't touch the liquids. Note that dupes' breathing will definitely break those liquid doors. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96320-how-to-make-1-tile-wide-liquid-air-locks/page/2/#findComment-1093732 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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