Oni Noob Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 Just wanted to verify that it needs 128 morb and 28 puft to sustain 1 Pacu? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96047-pacu-math/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
0xFADE Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 The math is like this: Feed them and after the algae runs out you have no more pacu Don't feed any and you have free meat forever. The size of the enclosure is more important. You can only fit maybe 1 per 4 tiles of water. Best to keep them separated since they will overlap and become overcrowded/glum. I'm not to sure that matters though since I've had one in a small pond that is by itself and glum but it keeps cycling through eggs. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96047-pacu-math/#findComment-1089579 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oni Noob Posted October 2, 2018 Author Share Posted October 2, 2018 Hmmm so I just dont feed them they will die due to old age or hunger, collect their body and make bbq? Is that the equation? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96047-pacu-math/#findComment-1089580 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhailRaptor Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 So, there were a few changes to Critters. First and foremost, left to their own devices, Wild Critters will always live long enough to produce 1 egg before they die. This works out pretty nicely for Pacu, because they have a relatively short cycle for creating an egg and then dying. So what you do is create a wide but shallow pond, but DO NOT enclose it into a room or Ranch. Whenever you locate Pacu, relocate them to the pond. You can do the same with Eggs, but you have to manage that manually if you do, because being put into storage will cause eggs to begin losing Viability. When that happens, they will automatically crack into Raw Egg and Eggshell, instead of incubating into a new Critter. In this way, you can sustain a stable population of Pacu indefinitely (baring any random deaths from Gulp Fish eggs by mistake). It creates a nice supply of free Meat (no resource input required), as well as providing substantial quantities of Eggshell to be used for making Lime, which is the bottleneck for creating Steel for doing anything on the Surface or with Rockets. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96047-pacu-math/#findComment-1089583 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oni Noob Posted October 2, 2018 Author Share Posted October 2, 2018 9 minutes ago, PhailRaptor said: So, there were a few changes to Critters. First and foremost, left to their own devices, Wild Critters will always live long enough to produce 1 egg before they die. This works out pretty nicely for Pacu, because they have a relatively short cycle for creating an egg and then dying. So what you do is create a wide but shallow pond, but DO NOT enclose it into a room or Ranch. Whenever you locate Pacu, relocate them to the pond. You can do the same with Eggs, but you have to manage that manually if you do, because being put into storage will cause eggs to begin losing Viability. When that happens, they will automatically crack into Raw Egg and Eggshell, instead of incubating into a new Critter. In this way, you can sustain a stable population of Pacu indefinitely (baring any random deaths from Gulp Fish eggs by mistake). It creates a nice supply of free Meat (no resource input required), as well as providing substantial quantities of Eggshell to be used for making Lime, which is the bottleneck for creating Steel for doing anything on the Surface or with Rockets. Thanks for explanation, Quick question I am already in 600 cycle and what if I dont have wild pacu anymore, can I just incubate the egg that I got from my own farm then release to a shallow pond? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96047-pacu-math/#findComment-1089584 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhailRaptor Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 If there are no more Wild Pacu, then you're pretty stuck. Tame Pacu must be fed to survive long enough to make an Egg, and any Eggs that were laid by Tame parents will themselves be Tame. You can still use the open pond thing to prevent them from becoming Confined, but if you don't feed them they will die. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96047-pacu-math/#findComment-1089585 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SackMaggie Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 If they were tamed it'll not be wild anymore ? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96047-pacu-math/#findComment-1089586 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oni Noob Posted October 2, 2018 Author Share Posted October 2, 2018 45 minutes ago, SackMaggie said: If there were tamed it'll not be wild anymore ? I figure that out but I was hoping somebody found a work around 1 hour ago, PhailRaptor said: If there are no more Wild Pacu, then you're pretty stuck. Tame Pacu must be fed to survive long enough to make an Egg, and any Eggs that were laid by Tame parents will themselves be Tame. You can still use the open pond thing to prevent them from becoming Confined, but if you don't feed them they will die. oh too bad I was looking for a good way to save water from my plants Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96047-pacu-math/#findComment-1089592 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhailRaptor Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 The other route you could go is use Omelettes instead of the Meat. But that would be pretty micro intensive, because you have to make sure you always have at least 1 egg ready to hatch. But you are still stuck on the Algae problem. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96047-pacu-math/#findComment-1089593 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tzionut Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 Quote what if I dont have wild pacu anymore, can I just incubate the egg that I got from my own farm then release to a shallow pond? Well you always can reduce the number of tamed pacu and store a few separated. Then feed them 1 algae/ cycle...they will not die and lay at least 3 eggs.. see fishomatic topic. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96047-pacu-math/#findComment-1089594 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazumiya Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 Maintenance/Benefit ratio is f***** up... Hope they will buff pacu, because aquarium in the base is too good to pass... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96047-pacu-math/#findComment-1089610 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigjw Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 Just now, Kazumiya said: Maintenance/Benefit ratio is f***** up... Hope they will buff pacu, because aquarium in the base is too good to pass... Fishing sucks. Is there a way to get more than 1 egg per life from a wild pacu; to increase the population of the wild pacu? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96047-pacu-math/#findComment-1089611 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnus Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 1 minute ago, Craigjw said: Is there a way to get more than 1 egg per life from a wild pacu; to increase the population of the wild pacu? No. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96047-pacu-math/#findComment-1089614 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tzionut Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 Quote aquarium in the base is too good to pass... This is the first thing i do when i build a new base....:) when i reach home i will put pictures Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96047-pacu-math/#findComment-1089616 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigjw Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 4 hours ago, PhailRaptor said: So, there were a few changes to Critters. First and foremost, left to their own devices, Wild Critters will always live long enough to produce 1 egg before they die. I'm not convinced. I have several natural pools of polluted water, untouched by my development, they used to contain pacu and also have egg shells at the bottom, but with no creatures in the enclosure at all. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96047-pacu-math/#findComment-1089629 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craigjw Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 There is probably some other reason as to why these pools are empty, there usually is. What I don't get is that fed pacu will starve, yet unfed pacu, don't??? I have two pools of pacu, the same size etc with three pacu in each pool. The first pool, is being fed 1kg algae every 100s, while the other pool is being fed absolutely nothing, zilch kg/s. How does the pacu that are being fed gain starving, yet the pacu that have not been fed at all do not become starving?.... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96047-pacu-math/#findComment-1089637 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tzionut Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 As i promise, under you have: 1 medbay and bathroom 2 fish tank 3 bedroom 4 mess hall, massage clinic, and relax area... This is my setup for my bases... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96047-pacu-math/#findComment-1089646 Share on other sites More sharing options...
crypticorb Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 5 hours ago, Craigjw said: Fishing sucks. Is there a way to get more than 1 egg per life from a wild pacu; to increase the population of the wild pacu? Yes, there is. You can incubate a wild egg from any critter, and it will hatch wild. So long as you never groom it in a stable, you can significantly decrease the time to hatch, allowing you to accelerate the reproduction rate of purely wild critters. I have done this with wild glossy dreckos early game to great effectiveness, as it requires next to no setup other than wrangling and a room with hydrogen. It's far more effective on critters with longer life cycles and long incubation times, but it should work on pacus too. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96047-pacu-math/#findComment-1089678 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazumiya Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 3 hours ago, tzionut said: As i promise, under you have: 1 medbay and bathroom 2 fish tank 3 bedroom 4 mess hall, massage clinic, and relax area... This is my setup for my bases... Nice, but you are a terrorist to give them so few water xP And I just thought that it would look nicer with glass tiles <3 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96047-pacu-math/#findComment-1089690 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarquan Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 13 hours ago, Oni Noob said: Just wanted to verify that it needs 128 morb and 28 puft to sustain 1 Pacu? You can get away with fewer morbs if you use the polluted dirt the pacus produce for polluted oxygen. They produce 70 kg/cycle polluted dirt, which results in 70 kg/cycle polluted oxygen, meaning that you need about 10 fewer morbs. If you clean the polluted water from the algae distiller, then you also get more polluted dirt which equates to more polluted oxygen. If you use the water sieve, you can produce around 11 kg polluted dirt, which saves about 2 morbs. Instead of saving two morbs, you could also use the polluted water from the distiller to evaporate in to polluted oxygen, but that is harder or uses...questionable applications of the physics of the game. If you did that, then it produced 280 kg/cycle polluted oxygen on average, which would result in 42 fewer morbs. So, optimally, you could sustain one pacu with around 76 morbs with polluting water bubbling or 116 without, which would cause a lot less lag for each pacu you are sustaining. (I got my numbers using ONI biology) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96047-pacu-math/#findComment-1089720 Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoakenashi Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 So has anyone fed/tamed pacus and then subsequently saw them (first hand in rocketry update) die out from starving and not laying eggs? I had a huge population of tamed pacus that stopped getting food, and the population never seems to decrease. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96047-pacu-math/#findComment-1089727 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SakuraKoi Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 regarding the math, let's just write it down to follow/correct it better: A Pacu does need 140kg of Algae each cycle, per second that's 140000/600=233,333333g The Algae is made from (if not imported from space) Slime, 1/3rd of it becomes Algae so times 3=700g/s A Puft produces or at least should 25g/s of slime so 700/25=28 Pufts, that's correct Pufts need twice the mass of POxygen, so 1,4kg Morbs produce 25g/s, 1400/25=56 Morbs, now I dare ask, why suddenly more than double the amount of Morbs? 1 hour ago, yoakenashi said: So has anyone fed/tamed pacus and then subsequently saw them (first hand in rocketry update) die out from starving and not laying eggs? I had a huge population of tamed pacus that stopped getting food, and the population never seems to decrease. by any chance, are you one of the few who use the "No Neutronium" mod? It turns out that when the bottom left tile of your map is magma (it should be Neutronium with DrawWorldBorder true), Pacus do not lay their eggs inside the map, it will be fixed in the next release: I fixed it for my save game by opening the debug overlay, replacing the magma (which is only faintly visible) with Abyssalite and it did work. Otherwise I can only guess what I will then observe later: Since I am just filling an aquarium very slowly, My first tame-hatched has enough kcal to lay an egg but I do not know if after that the 2nd generation will have enough kcal to lay the 3rd generation in case the feeder is still too high. Normally one would think that they spawn with the same reserves but hey, I would have also never thought that the above is the cause of eggs disappearing. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96047-pacu-math/#findComment-1089756 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasza22 Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 Has anyone done the math around feeding pacus using stuff from space? You can get a bit of algae and slime from the organic mass. I wonder how many pacus can you sustain with one rocket launching non stop and what would be the petroleum to meat conversion. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96047-pacu-math/#findComment-1089762 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hacksaw12 Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 2 hours ago, yoakenashi said: So has anyone fed/tamed pacus and then subsequently saw them (first hand in rocketry update) die out from starving and not laying eggs? I had a huge population of tamed pacus that stopped getting food, and the population never seems to decrease. I had exactly the same results, open fish tank roughly 8x8 and had at least 50 unfed, tame pacu. They didn't starve, and they all laid one egg, Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96047-pacu-math/#findComment-1089763 Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoakenashi Posted October 2, 2018 Share Posted October 2, 2018 16 minutes ago, SakuraKoi said: by any chance, are you one of the few who use the "No Neutronium" mod? Nope. I’m not running any mods, I like my games like I like my ice cream: vanilla. Haha. My pacu lay eggs like normal, it just seems like even after they are tamed and never fed they still lay an egg before they die. 20 minutes ago, SakuraKoi said: enough kcal to lay an egg but I do not know if after that the 2nd generation will have enough kcal to lay the 3rd generation I think this is the part I am missing. I didn’t realize their starting value was variable. Thanks for mentioning this! I’m sure it will change in the next update, haha. Nothing but love for you Klei! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/96047-pacu-math/#findComment-1089765 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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