Recommendations for players coming into EU

[Sevio]

24 minutes ago, WanderingKid said:

With only 7 dupes you should probably be alright.  You're probably looking at the 24+ tier though with high tier jobs, just fyi.  The great hall needs a water cooler as well, so stuff one into there.  3 lavatories should be fine, I use 5 outhouses because my usual target is around 24 dupes and that'll work fine in 4 or 5 shifts.  I recommend if you're simply not able to get the dupes through all the cycles (bathroom, food, leisure, sleep) just break them up in to groups of 3-4.

You can build plenty of beds into a single barracks.  I recommend groups of 8, 4 high, spam with pictures.

You food actually is waiting on an update... I won't know until they get those bugs fixed.

For mushrooms, here's a design I've been adjusting that is working rather well for the mushrooms to keep them in CO2 but your Dupes in breathable air.  If that helps:

Things to do before the EU patch hits:

• Sweep debris from high traffic areas to reduce décor drops for the average.
• Try to keep other stress items (such as low oxygen) down. 
• You'll have about an extra -5-10% leeway with the new stresses due to random conversations for your dupes.  Try to make sure they don't end up alone all the time.
• Be prepared to take about 2 cycles dedicated to honing your base design.  Save the game before you start so you can see if a particular dupe is having an unexpected issue so you can recover the save and try to fix it before they join the loony brigade.

 

Thanks for the tips, I got the mess hall ready with some extra space for a water cooler, I'll get a barracks going and of course the snazzy suits. Debris is nonexistent and oxygen is high everywhere. I actually seem to get enough meat income to only need 4 growing mushrooms (with farm station) spread across 7 dupes who can all farm so I probably don't need to engineer a mushroom farm like that, plus I could afford to set it up with exosuit access to simplify that if I had to. so I think I'm about as ready as I can be.

[WanderingKid]

2 minutes ago, Grimgaw said:

With food fixed I sincerely doubt the game will change at all.

Fair, but a thing you're forgetting is that early food negatives are also ignored at the moment when you're still rolling on mealwood, so those early game concerns will still exist.  Many people, myself particularly, are also rarely invested for anything other than mushrooms.  Foolish to not have gotten used to expected volumes for better foods, but there it is.  So that whole +1 morale for the food on fried mushrooms most likely won't be enough for players like myself.

[Sevio]

Speaking of snazzy suits, I've assigned them to my dupes and they're wearing them, but how come the suits are still in the storage compactor where I stored them?

[WanderingKid]

2 minutes ago, Sevio said:

Speaking of snazzy suits, I've assigned them to my dupes and they're wearing them, but how come the suits are still in the storage compactor where I stored them?

At a guess?  They need a bug report.  I've never actually stored my suits other than on my dupes themselves, so I don't know.

[ToiDiaeRaRIsuOy]

1 hour ago, chemie said:

There are easier ways to block updates, like using that specific existing option in steam.

I know what you mean, but that option will not allow you to play the game. It will disable auto update, but when you try to play the game then it will prompt you to update without an option to skip it and go straight into ONI. Blocking internet access to Steam is practically the only circumvention that works 100% of the time (there are other circumventions which don't work as reliable).

[Yannick Vachon]

One thing to note as well regarding the rooms of 4 vs 5 tile high: If you want a full recreation room (with arcade and jukebot), those will need to be 5 in high since those recreation buildings are 3 in high each. Especially if you want the time they spend dancing and playing to be counted as "high decor" in the daily average.

I'm doing some tests on debug to see how high you can get in decor without shine bugs and honestly, it will require quite a lot of refined metals to do so. Will need to setup the metal refinery must faster than before.

[Grimgaw]

@Yannick Vachon Ever tried building statues? Same decor as painting, and uses only 3 tiles.

[chemie]

8 minutes ago, Yannick Vachon said:

One thing to note as well regarding the rooms of 4 vs 5 tile high: If you want a full recreation room (with arcade and jukebot), those will need to be 5 in high since those recreation buildings are 3 in high each. Especially if you want the time they spend dancing and playing to be counted as "high decor" in the daily average.

I'm doing some tests on debug to see how high you can get in decor without shine bugs and honestly, it will require quite a lot of refined metals to do so. Will need to setup the metal refinery must faster than before.

Later in game, metal tiles are better solution than portraits and avoid this issue.  I have been thinking about going to 3 high to allow for bigger rooms like toilets and mess hall etc

[thewreckedangle]

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[chemie]

20 minutes ago, Sevio said:

Speaking of snazzy suits, I've assigned them to my dupes and they're wearing them, but how come the suits are still in the storage compactor where I stored them?

I forget which task it is....reset priorities to default would work.  Mine always get them but I also set a few tasks to high for all dups (care, toggle for example) so it is likely one of those.

[Sevio]

It's not that they don't go equip them, they do go to that compactor to equip and they are getting the +30 decor from the suit. It's just those suits still reside in the compactor but they are "assigned" to a dupe when you inspect them.

[Oozinator]

Just now, Sevio said:

It's not that they don't go equip them, they do go to that compactor to equip and they are getting the +30 decor from the suit. It's just those suits still reside in the compactor but they are "assigned" to a dupe when you inspect them.

So far i know it was an old bug - fixxed - back.
Not sure, but some patches ago they grab the suit from locker and only suits, without owner / stored..

[chemie]

2 minutes ago, Oozinator said:

So far i know it was an old bug - fixxed - back.
Not sure, but some patches ago they grab the suit from locker and only suits, without owner / stored..

I usually leave them on the floor beside loom since it is easier to assign

[WanderingKid]

Some items of note:

+2 Plumbed bathroom can be achieved even if you don't attach the water lines.

Looks like Socialization is working after a patch.  The topic locked, though, so I don't know what's up.

I've got notes for the Morale 12+, 16+, and 20+ levels of Morale, but I'm going to wait until after the Stream to see if anything else comes up.  12+ *should* be easy-ish.  16 and 20+ needs a bit more finagling if you don't want to have a chef that quickly.

[Yannick Vachon]

19 minutes ago, WanderingKid said:

 12+ *should* be easy-ish.  16 and 20+ needs a bit more finagling if you don't want to have a chef that quickly.

The problem is not the chef but the farms and the ranchs. To get above 20, you need good food so either berry sludge, stuffed berry,  pepper bread or barbeque.

I have a base with 48 duplicants, a few of them having level 6 jobs and with stuffed berries it is easy (with all rooms and average or better decor almost everywhere). What hurt me is the size of the farms to produce that much food, which is my problem since I decide to go for that many people

[beowulf2010]

3 hours ago, chemie said:

Later in game, metal tiles are better solution than portraits and avoid this issue.  I have been thinking about going to 3 high to allow for bigger rooms like toilets and mess hall etc

Yeah, sure seems like 3 high and statues are going to be the sweet spot for bathrooms and other rooms full of 3 tall buildings. Not a huge deal but it does mean a wider base for me. 

[chemie]

5 hours ago, Grimgaw said:

With food fixed I sincerely doubt the game will change at all.

Correct. I loaded a game on pessimistic and without any entertainment, and +3 food, dups were 27/20 and zero stress.

[WanderingKid]

1 hour ago, chemie said:

Correct. I loaded a game on pessimistic and without any entertainment, and +3 food, dups were 27/20 and zero stress.

That's a heck of a value for your décor!  Nice.

The 12-20+ portion is done for those who were interested.  20+ gets a bit squirrely, because it really depends on how you're built and what the décor averages you've managed to achieve at that point is.

[chemie]

13 hours ago, WanderingKid said:

That's a heck of a value for your décor!  Nice.

The 12-20+ portion is done for those who were interested.  20+ gets a bit squirrely, because it really depends on how you're built and what the décor averages you've managed to achieve at that point is.

Decor was lower than I thought it would be.  The new averaging means outside dups get hammered.  Base is +400 but they are there for food and sleep only so avg ends up fairly low.

[leoroy]

18 hours ago, chemie said:

Correct. I loaded a game on pessimistic and without any entertainment, and +3 food, dups were 27/20 and zero stress.

So true. I feel like you don't really need stuffed berries of higher with the current tweaks made at release. I got a dupe with a moral of 40/20... and most of mines are above 30 right now. I could lower the food and I would not have any problem. I think the real change isn't for end-game bases, but more for beginning and mid game.

[WanderingKid]

8 hours ago, chemie said:

Decor was lower than I thought it would be.  The new averaging means outside dups get hammered.  Base is +400 but they are there for food and sleep only so avg ends up fairly low.

 

6 hours ago, leoroy said:

So true. I feel like you don't really need stuffed berries of higher with the current tweaks made at release. I got a dupe with a moral of 40/20... and most of mines are above 30 right now. I could lower the food and I would not have any problem. I think the real change isn't for end-game bases, but more for beginning and mid game.

Just for a reference, it's really easy to outright to ignore internal jobs, like Researcher or Researcher, with décor spam.  These guys would happily eat meal lice.  Just being able to stay in one place and soak décor cleans up the averages nicely.

Bubbles there had to wander into the Main Hall while I needed to move a block out of the way for a 5 high building for some ventilation, but I average 12 morale with the dupes with nothing more than a water cooler and a Great Hall, ignoring decor. 

16+ jobs are absolutely possible to simply soak the occasional massage to handle minor stress issues, and some fried mushrooms or frost buns will do a lot of work for you.  The two you'll have to watch for are Seasoned Farmer and Exosuit engineers.  Depending on what you're farming will depend on your décor soak for them, so there will probably be some 'better or worse' decisions for them.  However, fertilizing the plants is NOT a farming job, it's a supply job.  So you'll share some overlap.

The one I worry about is exosuit engineers.  By their very nature, they're typically down in the worst edges of your base.  You should be able to carry these with simply Pepper Breads and Barbeque though.

[Scorpio King]

Can someone point me into thread where all moral bonuses were listen? Cant seems to find it.