creature = expiration date, dupe = immune to aging

[eggsvbacon]

Does anyone think it's particularly strange that creatures have predetermined life spans but not Dupes? Besides the other requirements for dupes, the cycles keep ticking up and they don't look a day older and have no predetermined life span.

I'm not opposed to the current system at all, just curious if anyone ever thought about it on a deeper level.

Also, anyone notice the little built in encyclopedia thing saying the word "human" repeatedly? You're messing with my perception of any lore there is.

[Juicearific]

Dupes are.. uh.. duplicants. I don't take it to mean 'clones' in the sense of star wars, more like... carbon copies. They look and are modeled after something, but I don't exactly take them to be the same type of life form they were cloned after.

Whereas I think of critters as indigenous to the asteroid, and thus their own species.

[AnotherBoris]

Duplicants use oxygen, all creatures do not. These are completely diffrent forms of life!

[ICKA]

But some of the creatures do use oxygen!

[0xFADE]

If dupes only lived a few hundred cycles you would be hard capped on how many you could have at once, you would be forced to take bad dupes in, and they would never progress very far through jobs.

They are like Tolkien elves.  They don't die of age but can die of other causes.

[Lilalaunekuh]

6 hours ago, 0xFADE said:

They are like Tolkien elves.  They don't die of age but can die of other causes.

Turritopsis dohrnii / Immortal Jellyfish

 

There are immortal beeings, so why shouldn´t your dupes be immortal ?

(There no "natural" lifeform, more an artificial beeing designed to withstand the environment on our lovely asteroid)

 

 

BUT before we talk about a lifespan for dupes, please hit the morb with the nerf hammer^^

[watermelen671]

Don'cha know? This is the future!

I'm pretty sure scientists would've figured out how to stop the aging process and would have made it hardwired into the human genome! And these are clones manufactured from the DNA of the Gravitas people! THEIR LOGO IS OF A DNA DOUBLE-HELIX!! One would think the would know how to make never-aging clones...

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But then again they probably aren't very good at making intelligence...seeing how stupid the dupes can be at times.

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Lookin' at you, Meep.

 

5 hours ago, Lilalaunekuh said:

BUT before we talk about a lifespan for dupes, please hit the morb with a bit nerf hammer^^

[Lazy-Anemic]

With their lifespans, Dupes are probably made from condensed Powdercakes.

[BadlyBurned]

Just read an article on twitter about how Lobsters are immortal and only die because they get so big they can't outgrow their shell anymore (too much energy, they exhaust themselves to death)

Maybe Dupes have lobster DNA?

[eggsvbacon]

11 hours ago, BadlyBurned said:

Just read an article on twitter about how Lobsters are immortal and only die because they get so big they can't outgrow their shell anymore (too much energy, they exhaust themselves to death)

Maybe Dupes have lobster DNA?

Jurassic-lobster-dupe park!

[greenpheonix632]

a hatch can survive 100 day which is quite long for a creature it's size. dupes are humans and it would take tens of thousands of cicles for the dupes to die of old age

[AnotherBoris]

A parrot or a turtle can live 50 years, and a man - 70. And this despite a 50-200 times the difference in their mass.

[thewreckedangle]

most all things get (old) to the point of death once telomeres (protective barriers between chromosomes) degrade. The reason those specific examples are different is the jellyfish uses mRNA (which is way better for that kind of thing and doesn't suffer the same kinds of problems as DNA BUT does come with its own drawbacks) and lobsters are able to continue making telomerase (repairing said teleomeres - i believe some dolphin or whale species can do something similar??) Scientists have been trying to reproduce telomerase for a loooong time. "elixir of eternal youth"

 

[Smuch]

Explaining aging as the sole action of the shortening of telomeres is extemey simpistic and not quite as viable an explanation as i once was, when there are many others effect of aging that hhave been linked to epigentics and a lare part of the degradaton of cellanti oxydation. The truth is, we don't fully know.

Anyway, assuming a cycle is not that differen from an earth day in length, mos colonis as they are go rarely go afew hudrs to a thousands cycles, so between one to thee/four years max. In that period of time, It makes sense that duplicants, ll created as young but full adults, wouldn't age derastically oreve visibly really, even with regular human lifespans. I figue th critters jsut have realyshort lifespans themselves, is all.

Either that or y'know, it's a video game.

[BlueLance]

Dupes are genetically engineered, they were made to not age, Critters are natural, so they age due to being a being a creature created by nature.

[NathairNimheil]

On 6/23/2018 at 9:47 AM, AnotherBoris said:

A parrot or a turtle can live 50 years, and a man - 70. And this despite a 50-200 times the difference in their mass.

 

That's true, but represents the very far end of the common bell curve. The usual broad, general pattern for vertebrates is smaller mass indicates shorter lifespan. A 4 year old mouse is an old mouse. A dog is old at 20. A horse is old at 60. Obviously, there are plenty of wild exceptions (like 200 year old Koi)  but the fact that the critters in-game follow the "normal" pattern seems perfectly reasonable to me.

[AnotherBoris]

38 minutes ago, NathairNimheil said:

The usual broad, general pattern for vertebrates is smaller mass indicates shorter lifespan

It surprises me how insistently you ignore the fact that duplicants are creatures of another form of life. Not another family or species, but a form. You give as an example of beings inhabiting a single planet. Oxygen-bearing, having the same structure of DNA. Are you aware that all the living beings of our planet have four identical nucleotides in DNA?

But here a fundamentally different situation. None of the creatures or plants of this world breathe oxygen. None of their chemical reactions absorb oxygen. So why do you continue to compare them with each other? They are representatives of fundamentally different forms of life. And what is good for one of them is not necessarily good for another.

What's there to say, take at least chemistry! We take carbon, burn it, getting energy and carbon dioxide at the output. Feed the carbon dioxide to an unknown animal and voila! The substance at the outlet contains already hydrogen. We heat it and, suddenly, from nowhere comes heat. Burn - we get water. We pass through the electrolysis and again get the antientropic process with the release of energy.

But, nevertheless, with the insistence of a chronic madman, you are trying to apply to this world examples from a completely different world that does not have the least to do with it. That's ********!

Accept the world as it is. And that's all. Just one word describes the cause of all that is happening. Because. Dixi.

[BlueLance]

5 minutes ago, AnotherBoris said:

None of their chemical reactions absorb oxygen.

Technically wrong, Dense Puft and Longhair slickster, and normal pufts all consume oxygen.

But your statement is entirely correct. This is not our world, heck even the dupes might not be from our world.

Also if a cycle is a day a Human would live at least 25,550 cycles they might not be immune to aging it could just be your not playing the game long enough @eggsvbacon although hats off to anyone who plays for 25k cycles to see if a dupe just dies

[AnotherBoris]

7 minutes ago, BlueLance said:

Technically wrong, Dense Puft and Longhair slickster, and normal pufts all consume oxygen.

I remember. But they EAT oxygen, but do not breathe it. This is a completely different principle of consumption.

The name of the game is Oxygen not included. Not included where can you tell me? Personally, I always understood this as a hint that ordinary humanoid beings with their human biology are invading a world where nobody needs oxygen. Where it is just another chemical element, and not the progenitor of life. And that's why I always considered duplicants - beings with terrestrial biology, and all others - no.

[BlueLance]

But, whose to say that their lungs are not their stomachs and they poop instead of exhaling! 

But back to your original statement, you are entirely correct  a lot of people compare this to real life but the game is still EA, maybe it will more properly reflect life or maybe the dupes will be less human and more their own species.

[AnotherBoris]

8 minutes ago, BlueLance said:

But, whose to say that their lungs are not their stomachs and they poop instead of exhaling! 

But duplicants have both lungs and stomach. And they suffer from hunger and suffocation. And all other creatures - only from hunger. Change the terms in places and nothing will change - duplicants still have a fundamentally different construction of the organism.:)

[Parusoid]

The only weird thing is that dupes weigh 30 kg while hatches are heavier 

[Kabrute]

it is odd that dupes weight the same as a small child...

[Dirmagnos]

Dupes are similar to Super Mutants from Fallout universe. If latter were engineered as super-soldiers, then dupes have been engineered to have perfect cells division, without this small flaw that causes aging in normal humans(dupe cells do not degrade with every reproduction cycle). Unfortunately, as with Super Mutants, there were numerous negative side-effects, including lack of self-control, common sense or general intelligence.

So they are cryogenically frozen, as experiments go on(creating perfect human is difficult task) and storage fills up, they are offered to off-planet sites as cheap labor. Its either sending them off-world or to incinerator.

[NathairNimheil]

On 6/26/2018 at 9:01 AM, AnotherBoris said:

But, nevertheless, with the insistence of a chronic madman, you are trying to apply to this world examples from a completely different world that does not have the least to do with it. That's ********!

 

Hmm... so one brief comment is the insistence of a chronic madman? Even assuming that you meant "the chronic insistence of a madman", it seems just a tiny bit hyperbolic and insulting, don't you think?

In actual fact, it is perfectly reasonable to extrapolate from the patterns we observe. You know, exactly like you did when you cited parrots and turtles to prop up your argument. Sure, things elsewhere could be different but there's no justification in demanding that they must be different.