EuedeAdodooedoe Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 40 minutes ago, Rellimarual said: The point of smallbirds is that they are pointless. No mention was ever made of how useful riding beefalo would or could be. People just thought it would be cool. What is the point of content if the content is pointless? Btw, everyone: Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/82797-make-beefalo-taming-viable/page/3/#findComment-986603 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spideswine Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 9 minutes ago, EuedeAdodooedoe said: What is the point of content if the content is pointless? Btw, everyone: The problem with these types of suggestions is that most of what they do is turn beefalos into a secondary hp bar, which is incredibly annoying to replace if it gets fully depleted, and still doesn't address the fact that on one hand they're supposed to be pets/companions, and on the other hand they are obnoxious, entitled, pieces of ****. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/82797-make-beefalo-taming-viable/page/3/#findComment-986607 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rellimarual Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 11 minutes ago, EuedeAdodooedoe said: What is the point of content if the content is pointless? You’re playing a videogame, dude. And not only that, but you post endless screeds in a forum about a videogame. What is the point of any of that? There is no real-world benefit to either one. Both are pointless, so why do you do either? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/82797-make-beefalo-taming-viable/page/3/#findComment-986608 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ButterStuffed Posted December 22, 2017 Share Posted December 22, 2017 7 hours ago, brbrmensch said: The obedience must be above 50% in order to ride the Beefalo. With a minimum obedience of 45%, obedience must be actively maintained in order to be able to keep riding. Does not lose obedience on taking damage. don't be that lazy guy Obedience doesn't affect how long until it throws you off, just whether you are able to mount it. maybe someone who isn’t lazy should fix the wording so it doesn’t confuse people Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/82797-make-beefalo-taming-viable/page/3/#findComment-986631 Share on other sites More sharing options...
EuedeAdodooedoe Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 On 22/12/2017 at 1:44 PM, Rellimarual said: You’re playing a videogame, dude. And not only that, but you post endless screeds in a forum about a videogame. What is the point of any of that? There is no real-world benefit to either one. Both are pointless, so why do you do either? Worst counter argument I have heard so far. I'm not really playing this anymore, but what I aim to achieve from video games is interesting and fun experiences that really stand out as such. As for what I was trying to do with writing stuff in the forums was communicate thoughts about the game to both developers and players, because I like the game as a concept, but things have been going in a direction that I have found to be in need of pointing out. But seeming as common consensus > reason, I've given up on you people, at least until I have something to show for to see if I can prove my point through modding, though that might take a while. A long while. Content that is there just to be there has no point if it's not there to enhance the experience well, which it isn't. So why create content if you don't have some decent game design thought behind it? To appease the MLG mega bas... you know the gist by now. Unless I'm missing something, or not understanding what you're trying to say here and how that relates to what has just been discussed, your argument is weak. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/82797-make-beefalo-taming-viable/page/3/#findComment-991102 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faintly Macabre Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 The content has a point; you just don't like it. It enhances some people's experiences, just not yours. The world doesn't revolve around you. If you're not really playing this anymore, then why are you still here whining? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/82797-make-beefalo-taming-viable/page/3/#findComment-991116 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinMark309 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 On 10/8/2017 at 9:47 AM, Rellimarual said: The beefalo would look like some crazy Beverly Hillbillies-style car with all kinds of household appliances strapped to it! It would be kinda awesome Lol Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/82797-make-beefalo-taming-viable/page/3/#findComment-991132 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilsonGuy_ Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 @ImDaMisterL I think that @JustinMark309 should get the rank of "The Reposter" Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/82797-make-beefalo-taming-viable/page/3/#findComment-991175 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinMark309 Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 How? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/82797-make-beefalo-taming-viable/page/3/#findComment-991176 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilsonGuy_ Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 I dunno, @Sinister_Fang has "DapperBeak", @minespatch has "will probably draw it",and @ImDaMisterL had "The Constant",but now he has "10/10". Either they hacked,either some moderator or admin gave them these ranks. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/82797-make-beefalo-taming-viable/page/3/#findComment-991178 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinister_Fang Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 Just now, Wilson_pl said: I dunno, @Sinister_Fang has "DapperBeak", @minespatch has "will probably draw it",and @ImDaMisterL had "The Constant",but now he has "10/10". Either they hacked,either some moderator or admin gave them these ranks. Some of them were given by the title fairy (JoeW), but in my case I created my own title. After you reach a certain amount of posts (enough to reach senior member I think) you can give titles to yourself. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/82797-make-beefalo-taming-viable/page/3/#findComment-991179 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlZalph Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 The only real use I've seen of beefalo taming is to move the chess piece heads around the map. Sometimes for the glass sculptures. They're a rather huge time sink for a low payoff in my eyes. For someone else, though, I could see the allure of having your own personal taxi. 7 minutes ago, Wilson_pl said: Either they hacked,either some moderator or admin gave them these ranks. At 1,000 posts you're free to change it. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/82797-make-beefalo-taming-viable/page/3/#findComment-991182 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WilsonGuy_ Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, Sinister_Fang said: Some of them were given by the title fairy (JoeW), but in my case I created my own title. After you reach a certain amount of posts (enough to reach senior member I think) you can give titles to yourself. Oh,interesting. Because I REALLY think that he deserves a rank of "The Reposter". Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/82797-make-beefalo-taming-viable/page/3/#findComment-991183 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spideswine Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 3 hours ago, CarlZalph said: For someone else, though, I could see the allure of having your own personal taxi. Ugh, I'm beginning to get triggered by this notion. With all of the restraints(Can't risk them dying, no speed boosts from roads, can't go underground, can't go through wormholes(can use a beefalo horn but then it's more time wasted and an item slot), needs to be left at "salt lick stations"+a bunch of other nuisances) they just slow you down, they don't have the appeal of a "personal taxi". They have the appeal of shooting your own feet and then limping. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/82797-make-beefalo-taming-viable/page/3/#findComment-991205 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlZalph Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 7 hours ago, spideswine said: no speed boosts from roads I think that's sort of a bonus- it doesn't matter if you're on a road or not you'll still move faster regardless of terrain while on it. Something about not being forced to take the beaten path. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/82797-make-beefalo-taming-viable/page/3/#findComment-991263 Share on other sites More sharing options...
minespatch Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 On 10/8/2017 at 10:47 AM, Rellimarual said: The beefalo would look like some crazy Beverly Hillbillies-style car with all kinds of household appliances strapped to it! It would be kinda awesome I made this a month later after Rell posted and I never noticed the post existed until someone quoted. 12 hours ago, Wilson_pl said: I dunno, @Sinister_Fang has "DapperBeak", @minespatch has "will probably draw it",and @ImDaMisterL had "The Constant",but now he has "10/10".Either they hacked,either some moderator or admin gave them these ranks. Joe gave me my title after I asked in a title fairy thread: Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/82797-make-beefalo-taming-viable/page/3/#findComment-991279 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rellimarual Posted January 9, 2018 Share Posted January 9, 2018 19 hours ago, EuedeAdodooedoe said: Unless I'm missing something, or not understanding what you're trying to say here and how that relates to what has just been discussed, your argument is weak. No, my argument is strong. Smallbird taming is very obviously a joke on the part of the devs. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/82797-make-beefalo-taming-viable/page/3/#findComment-991393 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spideswine Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 15 hours ago, CarlZalph said: I think that's sort of a bonus- it doesn't matter if you're on a road or not you'll still move faster regardless of terrain while on it. Something about not being forced to take the beaten path. Would beefalos be less useful if they gained a speedboost from roads? No? Then it's not a bonus. Hell a cane+road gives faster movement speed than an ornery beefalo+war saddle, and meaningfully so, it's very much not a bonus. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/82797-make-beefalo-taming-viable/page/3/#findComment-991523 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faintly Macabre Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 2 hours ago, spideswine said: Would beefalos be less useful if they gained a speedboost from roads? No? Then it's not a bonus. Hell a cane+road gives faster movement speed than an ornery beefalo+war saddle, and meaningfully so, it's very much not a bonus. Bonus isn't the word I would have used, but the point was that it's a means of travel that doesn't require the use of roads to be at its most optimal, removing a pressure of sorts to use roads to get around. We can argue whether or not they're worth the trouble, but I don't see how cane + road being better than a beefalo clearly not raised for the biggest speed boost anyway is at all a counterpoint to the offroading value. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/82797-make-beefalo-taming-viable/page/3/#findComment-991543 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlZalph Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 6 hours ago, spideswine said: Would beefalos be less useful if they gained a speedboost from roads? No? Then it's not a bonus. Hell a cane+road gives faster movement speed than an ornery beefalo+war saddle, and meaningfully so, it's very much not a bonus. It's all about perspective. It is a bonus when compared to being forced to use roads- beefalo riding you aren't constrained in this manner. Imaging that the beefalo is "always considered to be on a road" makes it a bonus. And if you're to compare things, at least do it in the theoretical maximums or increments thereof. For instance: Speeds: 6 u/s, wolfgang mighty 7.5 u/s Speeds with cane: 7.5 u/s, wolfgang mighty 9.375 u/s Speeds with cane and mag amulet: 9 u/s, wolfgang mighty 11.25 u/s Speeds on road: 7.8 u/s, wolfgang mighty 9.75 u/s Speeds with cane on road: 9.75 u/s, wolfgang mighty 12.1875 u/s Speeds with cane and mag amulet on road: 11.7 u/s, wolfgang mighty 14.625 u/s Speeds with default beefalo and default saddle: 9.8 u/s Speeds with ornery beefalo and war saddle: 8.75 u/s Speeds with rider beefalo and glossamer saddle: 12.4 u/s Damage with default beefalo and default saddle: 34 Damage with ornery beefalo and war saddle: 66 Damage with rider beefalo and glossamer saddle: 25 You would have to be wolfgang mighty with a cane, mag amulet, and a road to out perform the rider beefalo with the glossamer saddle. And this is restricting you to roads. Whereas with the beefalo you're free to move around the world as if you were a normal person with a cane and mag amulet on a road, except anywhere. ~And you're free to carry heavy objects or use a piggyback and not be penalized for them. As for the ornery beefalo with the war saddle you're trading off speed for damage. A ~1.417 times speed decrease for a 2.64 times damage increase. What you should be arguing for is that the time investment and resource sink outweighs these benefits- which I completely agree. They're a rather huge luxury to get/use and I personally wouldn't spend my time doing it unless I ran out of things to do in an endless world. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/82797-make-beefalo-taming-viable/page/3/#findComment-991578 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spideswine Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 11 minutes ago, CarlZalph said: It's all about perspective. If by perspective you mean denial, then sure. 12 minutes ago, CarlZalph said: You would have to be wolfgang mighty with a cane, mag amulet, and a road to out perform the rider beefalo with the glossamer saddle. And this is restricting you to roads. Whereas with the beefalo you're free to move around the world as if you were a normal person with a cane and mag amulet on a road, except anywhere. You also can't go underground, need to get off and on to do anything, can't risk the damned thing dying, if you choose to fight with it you barely deal any damage, need another inventory slot to use wormholes, need to leave it near salt licks when done, and need to keep track of the amount of salt licks near any salt lick station. 14 minutes ago, CarlZalph said: Whereas with the beefalo you're free to move around the world as if you were a normal person with a cane and mag amulet on a road, except anywhere. As long as it doesn't involve the underground and both starting and ending points have salt licks in them. 15 minutes ago, CarlZalph said: And you're free to carry heavy objects or use a piggyback and not be penalized for them. Or just build a sculpture station, hell even ant lion spikes can be moved much faster if someone can help you out, they are only good for suspicious marble, and it's not worth fully taming them for that. As for the piggyback, just use chester, he is less of a hindrance than a beefalo. 18 minutes ago, CarlZalph said: What you should be arguing for is that the time investment and resource sink outweighs these benefits- which I completely agree. No, even if taming them took 1/10th of the original length the rider would still be garbage, the ornery might become useful then, but that's it. They are absolutely terrible at travel, they only slow you down. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/82797-make-beefalo-taming-viable/page/3/#findComment-991581 Share on other sites More sharing options...
EuedeAdodooedoe Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 On 09/01/2018 at 10:45 PM, Rellimarual said: No, my argument is strong. Smallbird taming is very obviously a joke on the part of the devs. And what evidence do you have to support your argument? Or are you just being a troll? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/82797-make-beefalo-taming-viable/page/3/#findComment-996337 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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