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LuckyMole

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Remember the times when Wilson was the only one that could ressurect? And his ability was unique? In the begining there were no touchstones or beard hair dropping from beardlings(pre-sanity update) and even the amulet was just a useless trinket that you just dig up. And than all of a sudden everybody can play with every other char and has all these ways to revive... I am surprised that Kevin is thinking that Wilson is ok as he is because he is just not unique compared to the others as they can do his thing now. Here's an idea which all of you will hate :))) - REMOVE THE RESURRECTION ITEMS for ALL OTHER CHARACTERS!!! JEEZ!!! I am so annoyed by the fact that the game changed from being all survival to catering more and more to the squishy/newbie/"I want it easy" demographic of this game! Oh I was bad at it too for a very long time but I kept playing and with chars that dont revive. Wendy is my favorite not Wilson as you might think. :)I remember seeing and posting in a thread about "your favorite char" and was surprised to see that it isn't Wilson on the top and than I remembered that even if he is not all the other people playing with other chars use HIS mechanic to survive although you don't think about it now. So exactly how is Wilson ok and balanced when he has nothing now compared to the other characters?!If not this just give me a way to forcefully feed goblers chemical concoctions as is show in the art. Mad Scientist Wilson? How is he as he doesnt have anything that all the the others can't get? I apologize for the tone but I had to say it that way. :)

rockettsss

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Improve Abigail's...responsiveness? So she's not currently getting in your way ALL the time. Just in my experience, it's more of an annoyance, doesn't do much to hurt you if you run into her, it will interrupt your current action if you're walking just, idunno. It'd be nice to not run into her every night she shows up because she's too dumb to move out of your way.

bigpak

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Remember the times when Wilson was the only one that could ressurect? And his ability was unique? In the begining there were no touchstones or beard hair dropping from beardlings(pre-sanity update) and even the amulet was just a useless trinket that you just dig up. And than all of a sudden everybody can play with every other char and has all these ways to revive... I am surprised that Kevin is thinking that Wilson is ok as he is because he is just not unique compared to the others as they can do his thing now. Here's an idea which all of you will hate :))) - REMOVE THE RESURRECTION ITEMS for ALL OTHER CHARACTERS!!! JEEZ!!! I am so annoyed by the fact that the game changed from being all survival to catering more and more to the squishy/newbie/"I want it easy" demographic of this game! Oh I was bad at it too for a very long time but I kept playing and with chars that dont revive. Wendy is my favorite not Wilson as you might think. :)I remember seeing and posting in a thread about "your favorite char" and was surprised to see that it isn't Wilson on the top and than I remembered that even if he is not all the other people playing with other chars use HIS mechanic to survive although you don't think about it now. So exactly how is Wilson ok and balanced when he has nothing now compared to the other characters?!If not this just give me a way to forcefully feed goblers chemical concoctions as is show in the art. Mad Scientist Wilson? How is he as he doesnt have anything that all the the others can't get? I apologize for the tone but I had to say it that way. :)

No, just no. Wilson is a baseline character he doesn't really need a super unique thing. I'm sorry but I would hate playing if you couldn't use resurrection items as other characters, that's just a horrible idea in my opinion.Also to add to the topic, so far I am liking the new Wolfgang, sure he could probably use a few more tweaks, but right now he's a lot more balanced than he was before this update even though its not even out yet. Edited by bigpak
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brummbar7

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How is he as he doesnt have anything that all the the others can't get? I apologize for the tone but I had to say it that way. :)

I am hoping that Wilson is going to come to the fore again in time. Remember, they're still updating this game, and there is (hopefully) a long term goal/plan. A "mad scientist" tier of research was mentioned during the cave livestream, and I'm hoping Wilson will excel there. For instance, every structure in the mad science tier might permanently reduce your sanity (they don't call it "mad" science for nothing), similar to how the meat puppet permanently reduces your health (so long as the structure is standing of course). If there are enough structures, it might be very difficult for anyone to build them all with one character, or you'll be permanently insane. Wilson however, might suffer only half the effects, and be able to build much more. Similarly, I think Willow will be more attractive when the lava caves come in. I think...just have patience. And besides, his beard is still very useful and magnificent.
LuckyMole

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Well I and many more people played the game before resurrection was available to everyone and it wasn't a necessity to survive a long time. Heck If it was easy from the begining I wouldn't have played this game for that long. I played it because failing only encoureged me to become better at it. And now there are even options to significantly reduce the difficulty - more touchstones, more food, more animals to farm and the ability to reduce the dangerous elements too. This should have never been implemented. Not in that way at least. The options you received should have been limited to making the world harder, NOT easier. But that's off topic and another sign that the game is becoming more focused on "balance for the casuals" and not something that can improve it in the long run.The fact that it was hard for me in the begining like almost no other game nowadays made me stick to it and I'll probably play it after the last patch comes out and revisit it from time to time if it doesnt get stupidly easy by then.As for Wilson if he stays that way I just want people and the dev to stop calling him the "Mad Scientist" because he is nothing ATM. And that art of his to dissapear from the game. It is irritating when you play him and realize that he is has nothing special and you cant capture and forcefully feed pesky gobblers lol :) I guess I want some proof that he is some kind of a scientist in game. That's all. "Baseline character" paired with Mad scientist tittle doesnt cut it for me...

Mr_Bubblez

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Permanent Abigail is pretty much a pain in the ass, with her around you can't go in a tent and bumping up in her hurts you. (This post didn't reply as it should have to the guy saying this: 'Wendy: loses sanity a 3.3 per second but has Abigail permanently(I don't know, I don't even play her much.')

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LuckyMole

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I am hoping that Wilson is going to come to the fore again in time. Remember, they're still updating this game, and there is (hopefully) a long term goal/plan. A "mad scientist" tier of research was mentioned during the cave livestream, and I'm hoping Wilson will excel there. For instance, every structure in the mad science tier might permanently reduce your sanity (they don't call it "mad" science for nothing), similar to how the meat puppet permanently reduces your health (so long as the structure is standing of course). If there are enough structures, it might be very difficult for anyone to build them all with one character, or you'll be permanently insane. Wilson however, might suffer only half the effects, and be able to build much more. Similarly, I think Willow will be more attractive when the lava caves come in. I think...just have patience. And besides, his beard is still very useful and magnificent.

I hope you are right. I haven't watched the livestream. That thing about mad scientist tier sounds very interesting. Hopefully it will be a bit more useful than the Shadow manipulator and it's recipes. Actually that's what I thought Wickerbottom's specialty is at first, but soon was very disapointed. :/Perma sanity reduce per special item built=Yes! At least if it has that kind of penalty the items should be more than worth it. Hopefully. I just remembered One man band.... useless
Cozyhut3

Cozyhut3

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I can't help but think that none of these ideas are helping Mr. Kevin. Needless to say, he has some experience designing game features, and we don't... So think harder, guys. XDCould Wickerbottom get more positive effects from sleeping? She is an old lady, after all...

spiritcrusher77

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Wes:Positives: That Balloon Animal thing.-So Silent, he has much better chances with the Bush hat, and the other hiding items.Negatives:What you haveWickerbottom:Positives:-Gets a Sanity boost from being near Science Machines and Alchemy Engines-Same as before-Can get pigs to Fight with her for the promise of Knowledge.Negatives:-Loses Sanity from Using Magical Items.-Does less damageWolfgang:Positives:-Is able to lift Boulders and move them.-What you haveNegatives:-Has lower Sanity.-Unable to use Blueprints.Wendy:Positives:-Does not lose Sanity from being near Ghosts-Abigail will spawn on Half Moons, and sometimes, rise from graves. (Does not need to be dug).-Can Befriend GhostsNeutral:-Has a very small chance to become a ghost when dead, giving you a small cinematic of her being reunited with her sister in death. Just for kicks.Negatives:-Has lower Sanity.-Being around dug graves decreases her Sanity.Maxwell: (No spoiler tag here, Kevin actually SAYS Spoilers Ahoy in the OP.)Positives: -Chess Pieces will obey him.-Same Starting equipment as before.-Doesn't require a Shadow Manipulator. He can make everything, after he makes the Alchemy Engine.Negatives:-Has lower Sanity-Is weaker to the Hallucinations.If Woodie is added:Woodie:Positives:-Starts off with a Chainsaw, more efficient than the axe, though it must be refueled.-Chopping or Sawing trees boosts his sanity slightly.Negatives:-When trying to shave, his razor gets destroyed, as his beard is too wild and unshavable.-Has lower SanityIf it's Wilton instead:Wilton:Positives:-He can use dug graves as tents, to restore his HP by a Quarter, though a Ghost will attack him when he wakes up.-He can reanimate Boons to battle for him, though they will crumble to dust after one time use.Neutral:-When dying, he will crumble into dust instead of a standard death animation.Negatives:-Sleeping in Graves drops his Sanity by half.-He has less health.================================================== ===========-Spirit

Syviery

Syviery

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People signing off posts annoys me, but when they can't even sign them off correctly... :p

Sorry, I guess. It might help a little more if you could correct me so I know how to do it later or maybe say something along the lines of "I would prefer if you didn't do that".
jbeetle

jbeetle

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I've given more thought to new Wolfgang. At first I thought it would be a hassle to keep him topped off all the time and it would not make very much use out of the large meals that fill a lot of health, but really a lot of what you do isn't fighting. So all you'd need to do is pop in a large food item when you want to go on the hunt. So I'm now fine with that (again). It's not as annoying-sounding as I originally thought.

Sorry, I guess. It might help a little more if you could correct me so I know how to do it later or maybe say something along the lines of "I would prefer if you didn't do that".

he just meant you spelled your own name incorrectly
jbeetle

jbeetle

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I AM NOT, SPAMMING, THE LIST. I am changing it each time. Learn to read.-Spirit

You don't need to update the list with a new post a dozen times. That's what editing is for. You can suggest your current thought and continue. It's 90% spam.

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