According to Wigfrid's quotes on ranged weapons, I think that Klei has made it clear they don't want her to have a throwable spear, HOWEVER

[chirsg]

Wigfrid's quotes on the Brightshade Staff and Howlitzer insists that fighting from afar is the coward's way.

I've been a huge proponent of her getting a skill tree perk that has her throw a spear. With the range choices we have now, in my stage of play which generally is endgame, the skill would be obsolete in this point in time. We've got great ranged choices, however, giving Wigfrid range in the early game wouldn't be the baseline of her combat.

It would only serve as a QoL for her. Some examples

- Throwable spear could supplement her ability to hunt, namely to get aggro from koalaphants and voltgoat seemlessly and have such interactions end quickly. In the name of being a hunting specialist as if she wastes as much time as the average character hunting, then other characters are superior at filling their hunger stat because of additional options in vegetables.

-Throwable spear could also serve to be a better team player in the way that when boss battling as a team, aggro can be taken from bee queen and dragonfly for example onto her instead of a character that is more vulnerable to being hit.

- Could also act as a quasi slingshot early game to seamlessly acquire black feathers for songs.

- She could also excel at ocean combat by merely getting aggro from sea creatures that are skittish.

 

Sure, perhaps she scorns the idea of fighting from a distance, but I see such an addition as an opportunity for her to express a bit of self depreciating and humor in the disappointment in resorting to such a tactic.

I'm a Wigfrid co-main and with a bit of searching, yes, Wigfrid does have a sense of humor and some instances of self doubt that does border on self depreciation

-Bundling Wrap- "That's a wrap."
-Waterballoon- "Prepare tö engage in water-y battle!"
-Wigfrid's battlecry when attacking a Pig ("I'm having pig tönight!")
-Marble Bean- "Fee fi fö fum!"
-Am I worthy of wielding a weapon of such brilliance? -Brightshade swor
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There has already been an instance where Wigfrid apologizes to the gods for using cheap tactics in combat in shipwrecked.
Poison Dart- "Tö weaken fröm a distance. Ödin förgive me..."

 

Sufficing to say, In spite of her disdain for ranged combat, I still believe it would still be a good fit for her.

[Well-met]

no thanks. Would rather have shields

[Picklesaurus]

18 minutes ago, Well-met said:

no thanks. Would rather have shields

Shields would be pretty cool

[Gashzer]

The skill tree will have enough space for a shield skill tree branch and a throwing spear skill tree branch. We can have both! 

[Brago-sama]

Klei: Best I can do is Waterproof Falsetto and +1 planar damage per skill point

[Horsheen]

6 hours ago, Well-met said:

no thanks. Would rather have shields

Based

[gamehun20]

Are all wigfrid skills trees just going to be a disagreement between if it's spear or shield

[Donzilbert]

Maybe they'll split the difference and give her a lunge attack with the Battle Spear or a gap closer. 

[Monkey Cups]

2 hours ago, Donzilbert said:

Maybe they'll split the difference and give her a lunge attack with the Battle Spear or a gap closer. 

That's pretty much what she had in the Forge event. Those mechanics were fun, I always wondered why none of them made it into the main game.

[Mysterious box]

45 minutes ago, Monkey Cups said:

That's pretty much what she had in the Forge event. Those mechanics were fun, I always wondered why none of them made it into the main game.

Balancing most likely I didn't play the event but I imagine the mechanics wouldn't mesh well with the current combat design without a full combat revamp.

[Guille6785]

honestly I've seen this suggested so many times and it always puzzles me why people seem to want this specific interaction so much when we already received an example of a character (wolfgang) that can not just throw their weapon, but deals up to twice as much damage as a battle spear by doing so, yet people consider that to be one of the most forgettable perks of that character, only occasionally nice to aggro koalefants and volt goats but overall pretty damn annoying in other situations since you can sometimes unintentionally hit mobs, especially beefs that you're taming

If wig received this same perk it'd be even worse than wolfgang's and would be forgotten within a day, also I don't think some people seem to be aware of the tiny detail that if you throw your spear to aggro a mob at a distance suddenly you're left with no weapon to actually fight the mob you aggroed lmfao (unless you awkwardly walk towards the spot where you threw it while dodging attacks from the now hostile creature, which would also completely ruin the point for any mob that doesn't flee since you have to walk towards them regardless) (and yes, you can technically just carry another weapon, but if you're entering "carry 2 weapons" territory then all other characters can just carry a boomerang as the ranged aggro weapon instead, making the throwing spear ability even more pointless)

Edited October 15 by Guille6785

[chirsg]

1 minute ago, Guille6785 said:

honestly I've seen this suggested so many times and it always puzzles me why people seem to want this specific interaction so much when we already received an example of a character (wolfgang) that can not just throw their weapon, but deals up to twice as much damage as a battle spear by doing so, yet people consider that to be one of the most forgettable perks of that character, only occasionally nice to aggro koalefants and volt goats but overall pretty damn annoying in other situations since you can sometimes unintentionally hit mobs, especially beefs that you're taming

If wig received this same perk it'd be even worse than wolfgang's and would be forgotten within a day, also I don't think some people seem to be aware of the tiny detail that if you throw your spear to aggro a mob at a distance suddenly you're left with no weapon to actually fight the mob you aggroed lmfao (unless you awkwardly walk towards the spot where you threw it while dodging attacks from the now hostile creature, which would also completely ruin the point for any mob that doesn't flee since you have to walk towards them regardless)

Double spear. It would have to do more than base damage. Typically spears are quickly abandoned as the base weapon in early game, never to be seen again.

[chirsg]

6 hours ago, gamehun20 said:

Are all wigfrid skills trees just going to be a disagreement between if it's spear or shield

I'd want both. All I know is, she deserves an endgame set of crafts that benefit her and her alone.

I'm not sure if any of you have been on the klei official discord, but it's worse than the forums by a long shot. Lots of personal attacks and actual ideas can't be explored without someone "Winning"

 

On the discord, I tried to create discourse about Wigfrid receiving void and brightshade weapons and armor crafts that benefit her more and the moment I said it, a gremlin came out of the moldy earth and said "Wigfrid switch character. You lose"

And that was the end of the discussion. If wigfrid got custom brightshade and void crafts, the only way I could picture it realistically working without my personal bias is if her planar weapon crafts accumulated inspiration faster and the armor decreased inspiration slower.

 

Anyway, with regards to spear throwing, an important theoretical application of it would be to maintain inspiration without leaving combat, during stints of respite.

[Cheggf]

She doesn't need to be even more similar to Wolfgang than she already is. She should get unique things of her own.

[gamehun20]

4 hours ago, chirsg said:

On the discord, I tried to create discourse about Wigfrid receiving void and brightshade weapons and armor crafts that benefit her more and the moment I said it, a gremlin came out of the moldy earth and said "Wigfrid switch character. You lose"

That discord is definitely something actually was this yesterday or so? Because i saw that one

Edited October 15 by gamehun20

[chirsg]

11 minutes ago, gamehun20 said:

That discord is definitely something actually was this yesterday or so? Because i saw that one

yes

[-Variant]

Unless they can make the throwing spear a truly unique thing to her character, I'd much rather everyone else get more options!
I'm always skewed when characters get exclusive crafts, they need to feel like they truly belong to the character.

I want throwing spears, personally. But I also just want more options and variations!
I've been working on some side-grades to basic weaponry, unique twists on basic tools, like this long spear.
I'd much rather throwing spears be lumped into a category of that sorts than tied to a specific character!
It'd be nice to have options for everyone. If anything, she could have buffs or some unique variant of one, if needed.

[chirsg]

1 hour ago, -Variant said:

Unless they can make the throwing spear a truly unique thing to her character, I'd much rather everyone else get more options!
I'm always skewed when characters get exclusive crafts, they need to feel like they truly belong to the character.

I want throwing spears, personally. But I also just want more options and variations!
I've been working on some side-grades to basic weaponry, unique twists on basic tools, like this long spear.
I'd much rather throwing spears be lumped into a category of that sorts than tied to a specific character!
It'd be nice to have options for everyone. If anything, she could have buffs or some unique variant of one, if needed.

considering you have wanda as the poster girl, it's a bit ironic.

I think that fast travel shouldn't have been wanda specific.

For many tasks, it's simply just optimal at the endgame to pick wanda. At a certain level, wanda is simply the best character you can pick, combat be damned.

 

Her means of transport and doing tasks related to it is just too efficient.

 

I'm even more adamant that spear crafts, be they long spear and a throwable spear be for wigfrid and wigfrid alone.

[Cheggf]

Just now, chirsg said:

considering you have wanda as the poster girl, it's a bit ironic.

I think that fast travel shouldn't have been wanda specific.

For many tasks, it's simply just optimal at the endgame to pick wanda. At a certain level, wanda is simply the best character you can pick, combat be damned.

 

Her means of transport and doing tasks related to it is just too efficient.

 

I'm even more adamant that spear crafts, be they long spear and a throwable spear be for wigfrid and wigfrid alone.

By the time Wanda becomes optimal you've already done everything 20 times and there's no point in repeating anything further. 

[chirsg]

Just now, Cheggf said:

By the time Wanda becomes optimal you've already done everything 20 times and there's no point in repeating anything further. 

Do you get my argument though? She's just too good at what she does.

 

Let wigfrid have a character specific niche that other characters don't have.

I don't argue to win. I argue to point out facts about the game. Are you saying Wanda is a bad characcter?

[Cheggf]

11 minutes ago, chirsg said:

Do you get my argument though? She's just too good at what she does.

 

Let wigfrid have a character specific niche that other characters don't have.

I don't argue to win. I argue to point out facts about the game. Are you saying Wanda is a bad characcter?

If your argument is that Wanda's fast travel is so strong it shouldn't be locked to a character, I disagree with that entirely for the reason I just stated. When you add up all the time you lost by not picking someone else who saves time in other ways like Wormwood's movement speed or Wolfgang's work speed, then combine that with the time you lost by farming for a bunch of canes to set the network up, and the time it took you to actually set the network up, then compare that to the time that fast travel saves, it's not that good. Sucks, even. Like I said, by the time that it actually starts saving you more time than you would've saved on the other characters you've already beaten the game 20 times over and there's nothing left to do so the time saved is completely pointless.

I do not care that Wanda is the best character for someone who's just sitting around on a day 25,000 world. If her fast travel really was as good as you're saying it is then I would agree that it's ridiculous, but I would say that it's something that no-one should have instead of something that everyone should have. 

[chirsg]

Wanda's fast travel is that powerful. You spend so much time in transit and wanda just blows that all out of the water.

 

 

[lenship2]

what if instead of a spear toss wigfrid got a spear with an attack style similar to wathom from the dreaded uncompromising mode

she leaps at her targets and does slightly higher damage or something idk

[Mike23Ua]

I want something so illogical that if thought about enough, becomes logical.

In other words, Wigfrid throwing battle spears to her enemies and then having to run in towards that enemy without her weapon is dumb.

But what would be even dumber.. (to the point it actually becomes cool AF) would be to throw battle spears at enemies and then a heavenly Valkyrie like light beams down on the spear, sucks it up off the top portion of your screen like a UFO abducting it, and then the beam of light spawns above Wigfrid before dropping the spear out the sky and back into her hands.

Sounds dumb right? Not if you consider Norse Mythology and more importantly…. Being able to side with a literal Moon God in DST.

Alter Himself is picking up those spears & handing them back to her.

This would make her spear throw different from Wolfgang’s because it would essentially be more like a blow dart/ much slower version of Walters slingshot.

[BeeClops]

On 10/15/2023 at 2:35 PM, -Variant said:

Unless they can make the throwing spear a truly unique thing to her character, I'd much rather everyone else get more options!
I'm always skewed when characters get exclusive crafts, they need to feel like they truly belong to the character.

I want throwing spears, personally. But I also just want more options and variations!
I've been working on some side-grades to basic weaponry, unique twists on basic tools, like this long spear.
I'd much rather throwing spears be lumped into a category of that sorts than tied to a specific character!
It'd be nice to have options for everyone. If anything, she could have buffs or some unique variant of one, if needed.

is that an in game spear skin ? 

Edited October 16 by BeeClops