It’s Time

[Gourmand]

Paid DLC.

I thank Klei for all of the amazing skins, content updates, characters and reworks these past few years. A game with a content update every month? In this economy? We are a very lucky community to have such a great team. 
 

This is fantastic, and I’d like to see some larger… paid expansions for DST, seeing as the chance for a sequel wouldn’t make sense with the current and constant support for this game (not to mention there’s no ending yet!). We loved the Forge, we clamored for the Gorge, the only limitation was the expenses tied to the servers, with it being a limited time event and all that. It wasn’t worth continuing these updates to Klei, as it didn’t add anything to the base game.
 

Since then, we’ve received the lunar updates. The ocean still doesn’t feel worthwhile, or fun, after all these years. A common gripe is the lack of ocean content/cohesion. Mangroves, SeaWeeds, even the Moon Quay don’t need frequent visitation. They don’t feel necessarily important or useful, despite the fantastic theming and scenery they add to the deep blue sea. Other incomplete threads include: the Ancient Portal, still no use for Glommers wings besides the pet

The game is fun still, after 8 years, but there’s always a feeling of incompleteness. Features, items, bosses, concepts that feel unfinished somehow. The content we receive now is good, but they take a while to turn into something great, or sometimes not. A paid expansion that adds more realms, ocean content, alternate objectives like the Gorge, characters, skins, bosses, more functionality to base game seasons etc. would be a welcome addition in my book. I’m happy to support this game, but through skins is boring. I’d rather pay $20 to get a fresh, grander scale experience than to wait a year to determine whether these smaller-scale, drip-fed updates are any more enhancing to the game than the Year of the _____ events. 

Thoughts?
 

 

[Capybara007]

Ruin your game speedrun wr any%

[Gourmand]

14 minutes ago, Capybara007 said:

Ruin your game speedrun wr any%

Right now the updates are kind of aimless, no? Same quarrels people had with the lunar updates. And that  still feels unfinished. I’ve been buying spools in-game frequently, but I feel like if we had actual DLC to fund, we’d have a more consistent quality of updates. It’s been 8 years and there’s no Fuelweaver conclusion. 

[Copyafriend]

1 minute ago, Gourmand said:

Right now the updates are kind of aimless, no? Same quarrels people had with the lunar updates. And that  still feels unfinished. I’ve been buying spools in-game frequently, but I feel like if we had actual DLC to fund, we’d have a more consistent quality of updates. It’s been 8 years and there’s no Fuelweaver conclusion. 

There is a legitimate concern when it comes to DLC outside of "I dont want to spend money"

people without the dlc playing with people who have the dlc

it just has a bad tendency of dividing playerbases, something you really dont want in cooperative multiplayer games

[abrocator]

Why? If they keep making updates then people must be buying skins. Why risk upsetting something that is working?

What other explanation could there be? That TenCent is running a Canadian indie game company (or at least the DST part) at a loss in order to accomplish what, exactly?

[nimzowitsch10]

throwing more money at the devs isn't gonna do anything

[00petar00]

The point is that if there was a DLC we would get much bigger update and there is a lot of people that would pay for that.

I would also want to see a DLC for DST but only host should need to buy it and any other player can connect to their server even if they don't own DLC so the playerbase wouldn't be split.

How fast do the veteran players go though the new update? Compare last year's content updates to DS DLC and it is obvious that the difference is like night an day.

 

[BezKa]

One thing Klei has decided on regarding ONI is compatibility issues. Not everyone is going to buy a DLC. New content has to be added in a way that is compatible with both base game and DLC, and new update notes for oni are permanently split into base game and spaced out. More DLC would cause more such splinters, were content has to work on base game, DLC1, DLC2, DLC1 + DLC2, and it only gets worse with more.

I have not heard of plans when DST's development will end, but I assume not very soon. By making updates free to all, and having the people who have the money and want to part with it essentially fund it, you make people happy and don't have to bother with everything that a DLC entails.

The monthly schedule has turned out to be not very sustainable now that character reworks are done (although we are getting a sequel with the skill trees) and I assume it's going to change. I can't think of different solutions to this aside from skins releasing independently from updates or a crowdfunding-kickstarterlike campaign at the start of every year that would gather money for the year's development and 2-3 updates that would come from it (but that would be a terrible idea on many levels, most likely influencing taxes and other stuff too complicated for me to consider)

[ALCRD]

 

[Gourmand]

13 minutes ago, 00petar00 said:

The point is that if there was a DLC we would get much bigger update and there is a lot of people that would pay for that.

I would also want to see a DLC for DST but only host should need to buy it and any other player can connect to their server even if they don't own DLC so the playerbase wouldn't be split.

How fast do the veteran players go though the new update? Compare last year's content updates to DS DLC and it is obvious that the difference is like night an day.

 

My sentiments exactly. Nothing big happens with this game anymore, the updates are fun for a while, but become irrelevant to the base game. It’s just fluff. All down-feathers, no meat. A paid expansion would do wonders to the longevity of the game. The players of this community are spoiled brats. Myself included. We get free updates, but complain because they don’t meet our expectations for content.

[Mysterious box]

25 minutes ago, Gourmand said:

My sentiments exactly. Nothing big happens with this game anymore, the updates are fun for a while, but become irrelevant to the base game. It’s just fluff. All down-feathers, no meat. A paid expansion would do wonders to the longevity of the game. The players of this community are spoiled brats. Myself included. We get free updates, but complain because they don’t meet our expectations for content.

I think that's less because of money and more because the community throws a fit whenever shake up updates happen so Kiel has to tiptoe when adding things to the game so as to offend as little people as possible.

[Mike23Ua]

41 minutes ago, BezKa said:

One thing Klei has decided on regarding ONI is compatibility issues. Not everyone is going to buy a DLC. New content has to be added in a way that is compatible with both base game and DLC, and new update notes for oni are permanently split into base game and spaced out. More DLC would cause more such splinters, were content has to work on base game, DLC1, DLC2, DLC1 + DLC2, and it only gets worse with more.

I have not heard of plans when DST's development will end, but I assume not very soon. By making updates free to all, and having the people who have the money and want to part with it essentially fund it, you make people happy and don't have to bother with everything that a DLC entails.

The monthly schedule has turned out to be not very sustainable now that character reworks are done (although we are getting a sequel with the skill trees) and I assume it's going to change. I can't think of different solutions to this aside from skins releasing independently from updates or a crowdfunding-kickstarterlike campaign at the start of every year that would gather money for the year's development and 2-3 updates that would come from it (but that would be a terrible idea on many levels, most likely influencing taxes and other stuff too complicated for me to consider)

You know.. as someone who spend 90% of their time playing DST by messing around with world Gen settings, I think it would be really really damn cool if Klei wanted to do smaller content updates by adding maybe one new mob into the game per month, over a long period of time, they’ll all add up and really shake up the gameplay. But it gives Klei time to focus on larger updates while also giving us something to do/interact with in between large updates.

in fact: they don’t even have to add any new content at all, just give me more control over what’s already in the game (maybe I want a lunar island the size of the very empty swamp biome or perhaps I want a Moon Quay the size of Lunar Island. 

The TL:DR is that the game has Sharks & Gnairwails, and Water Gliding Spiders, But… how often do you encounter them?Why do water gliding spiders have to be constrained to one tiny mostly forgettable area, why can’t stray ones be found skimming across the ocean eating idk fireflies or something?

 

[AlexAT]

I really want to see some worldgen presets, like we have in vanilla DS in Adventure mode.
It's will look like DLC in some way, but without new content (but can create some new mobs for new worldgens)

I think it's would fun to play in Archipelago, Two worlds, ect with friends

(But i think we need more worldgen presets, for example: Swamp generation, where 60% of world is swamp)

[Cheggf]

They already have DLC in a way that works well in a multiplayer game like this, DLC characters.

[chirsg]

Seeing this, i'll try to make some points that are relevant to the topic here at hand.

- Why didn't they release any skin packs this update? People buy them. Or don't they? Is it a net loss of labor?

- Gorge and forge: Why isn't there a world setting that lets people host these game modes without the need for mods? It would add diversity to the game and explore what people want out of the game in future updates. Don't forget, farming in it's current form is more or less gorge farming with a bit of extra seasoning.

- why don't they add an option to repair glommer statue in game for $9.99?

[Ulisesvolador]

No, we don't need DLC's in this moment.

8 minutes ago, chirsg said:

- Why didn't they release any skin packs this update? People buy them. Or don't they? Is it a net loss of labor?

This was a crossover not a normal update (they also didn't sell skin packs in the Terraria one)

 

[Antynomity]

I don't think DLCs make sense right now, a lot of things in the base game need tuning. balancing, worldgen needs a lot of changes, ocean is still empty, caves are still boring outside of archives, ruins, atrium, and shadow rift stuff, a lot of old biomes could use new additions and changes.

There's a lot to improve or add before considering a DLC would be reasonable as of right now.

[cropo]

11 hours ago, 00petar00 said:

The point is that if there was a DLC we would get much bigger update and there is a lot of people that would pay for that.

I would also want to see a DLC for DST but only host should need to buy it and any other player can connect to their server even if they don't own DLC so the playerbase wouldn't be split.

How fast do the veteran players go though the new update? Compare last year's content updates to DS DLC and it is obvious that the difference is like night an day.

 

 

Pretty much agree. If RoT was a paid DLC I bet 100$ worth of your currency it'd have been 10x better.

 

Shipwrecked and Hamlet aren't even that expensive either. The entire community is going to split and fracture over a 5$ expansion? I would argue that the community is already split and fractured due to mods/no mods beliefs in servers. If you hate mods, and someone is walking around as an anime girl, you're not going to be staying in that world.  We already have a lot of things that segregate different parts of the playerbase and I would argue the game still goes strong because it has a good solo loop and is good when you play with your own friends and that wouldn't change if they added paid DLC.

 

24 minutes ago, Antynomity said:

a lot of things in the base game need tuning. balancing, worldgen needs a lot of changes, ocean is still empty, caves are still boring outside of archives, ruins, atrium, and shadow rift stuff, a lot of old biomes could use new additions and changes.

I would argue that this current state is the fault of the updates being free.

[BB Marioni]

aren't wortox, etc already paid DLCs? skins too.

[cropo]

2 minutes ago, BB Marioni said:

aren't wortox, etc already paid DLCs? skins too.

Can't you just weave them?

 

I mean I bought them so I wouldn't know.

[BB Marioni]

2 minutes ago, cropo said:

Can't you just weave them?

 

I mean I bought them so I wouldn't know.

yeah, but doesnt make them not DLC content. Lot's of other games offer F2P ways of obtaining their paid DLC contents.

[cropo]

2 minutes ago, BB Marioni said:

yeah, but doesnt make them not DLC content. Lot's of other games offer F2P ways of obtaining their paid DLC contents.

I mean yeah you're technically right that they're ''paid dlc'' but I don't think a single character is what OP, and the community at large, talks about when the topic of paid expansions come up. 

[Cheggf]

17 minutes ago, cropo said:

Pretty much agree. If RoT was a paid DLC I bet 100$ worth of your currency it'd have been 10x better.

I bet $101 (I'm rich, you know. Kind of a big deal. My monumental wealth knows no bounds.) that if RoT was a paid DLC it would've been exactly the same. The employees are getting paid regardless of how well the game does, they have no reason to try harder just so that Klei can profit more. And even if they did, the profit is in the skins that ship with every update. Every update is already paid, just paid for in the newgamer way instead of the oldhead way.

Unless they move people from other projects onto Don't Starve, which can be done without making the update paid since a better update would naturally draw more people in to buy more of the skins, the updates won't change. Every game with both paid and free updates I've ever seen has shown that, consistently, if the paid DLC is ever better than free updates it's because they held off on a lot of free updates so that they could effectively release them all at once as a single large paid update.

20 minutes ago, cropo said:

Shipwrecked and Hamlet aren't even that expensive either. The entire community is going to split and fracture over a 5$ expansion?

Shipwrecked and Hamlet were something like $10-20 at launch, and that is going to split the playerbase because that's like $250 to a kid (which seems to be the majority of the players).

[LanOrhan]

to du du du du d-d-d-duel!

 

sorry, couldn't contain myself.

[Copyafriend]

24 minutes ago, LanOrhan said:

to du du du du d-d-d-duel!

 

sorry, couldn't contain myself.

Womp womp