I think the new crafting menu is fine

[ArubaroBeefalo]

1 minute ago, Dr.Medic said:

my reason is that the new filters is to much and not helpful for my asperger autistic brain, its not sorted for me, even more so when some items are in more then 1 place

and that is something i can understand but you are "lying" (cant find another word) to make the new one look worst with the reasons that made klei change the old one. Saying that the old one is okey but the new one is bloated makes no sense when each filter has less items and the names are more intuitive which is selfish

you can make us empathize with your problem with the new menu but not by inventing problems that arent there or that were the problems with the old one... that just creates the opposite

im aware this can sound rude so sorry if so, isnt the intention, cant find better words to express what i want to say

[Echsrick]

1 hour ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

and that is something i can understand but you are "lying" (cant find another word) to make the new one look worst with the reasons that made klei change the old one. Saying that the old one is okey but the new one is bloated makes no sense when each filter has less items and the names are more intuitive which is selfish

you can make us empathize with your problem with the new menu but not by inventing problems that arent there or that were the problems with the old one... that just creates the opposite

im aware this can sound rude so sorry if so, isnt the intention, cant find better words to express what i want to say

its bloated because there more filters then needed, and the fact that some items are in more then 1 place, thats what makes them bloated, its too much, and in what way am i lying? how are the new names better? its called an opinion for that, you cant say i lie about something wich is an opinion, and what problems am i inventing? you say that i dont have asperger autisim? you say i use that as an excuse? thats realy sad, if you realy think that i dont have that, it alsol means you have no idea about it aswell, and just asume how one whit that sould work, sad, just sad, not worth talkin anymore

[ArubaroBeefalo]

1 minute ago, Dr.Medic said:

its bloated because there more filters then needed, and the fact that some items are in more then 1 place, thats what makes them bloated, its too much, and in what way am i lying? how are the new names better? its called an opinion for that, you cant say i lie about something wich is an opinion, and what problems am i inventing? you say that i dont have asperger autisim? you say i use that as an excuse? thats realy sad, if you realy think that i dont have that, it alsol means you have no idea about it aswell, and just asume how one whit that sould work, sad, just sad, not worth talkin anymore

???? where i said that? also i remarked that i didnt found any word that express what i want to say , sorry for not being shakespear

i just asumed you said that the filters are bloated not that the menu is bloated with filters =! tabs

i think there is no point of keep arguing if you will react like that. Enjoy your mod and keep that constructive feedback

[FreyaMaluk]

2 hours ago, Dr.Medic said:

my reason is that the new filters is to much and not helpful for my asperger autistic brain, its not sorted for me, even more so when some items are in more then 1 place

I personally find the tabs useful and intuitive and ofc some elements will be double cuz they belong in both. Besides we also got a search bar if u are looking for something concrete. 

Just give it a bit of time to get used to a new system. Change can be hard sometimes but this is a step in the right direction to avoid bloated endless scrolling. Also more open for mods as well to include their items in the different categories. 

[Echsrick]

1 hour ago, FreyaMaluk said:

I personally find the tabs useful and intuitive and ofc some elements will be double cuz they belong in both. Besides we also got a search bar if u are looking for something concrete. 

Just give it a bit of time to get used to a new system. Change can be hard sometimes but this is a step in the right direction to avoid bloated endless scrolling. Also more open for mods as well to include their items in the different categories. 

no i use that mod that actualy is helpful to MEEEEEE, you understand you people that allready? that some people have a differend view on what is helpful to one person? stop pushing us to use what YOU like and not what OTHERS like, it realy gets tiresome whit this, just let me use that mod that gives me the old tabs, something that helps ME and some others, since thats just how my brain works, i cant just delete that, my brain would not allow that, do you understand? i can still remember some 3d games level layout whit all there secrets, for games i have not played for a long time or watched, i still remember some school situations from many years ago, first school year even, and just as my brain still has those situations saved, so is the old crafting tabs sortings, and it wont go away, and so are some others, thats why i post that one mod so much,because it may help others, since it helped me, pins and favourits is what ever, what the proplem is is those filters, and the fact there some items that are in more then 1 filter, thats alsol why i like that mod, because its old tabs where everything is as before, and no item shows up more then once, so PLEASE, stop breakin my mind and just let me use what I NEED, and not what YOU want to me to use, PLEASE, i break allready

[Fatkitty]

2 hours ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

and that is something i can understand but you are "lying" (cant find another word) to make the new one look worst with the reasons that made klei change the old one. Saying that the old one is okey but the new one is bloated makes no sense when each filter has less items and the names are more intuitive which is selfish

you can make us empathize with your problem with the new menu but not by inventing problems that arent there or that were the problems with the old one... that just creates the opposite

im aware this can sound rude so sorry if so, isnt the intention, cant find better words to express what i want to say

What do you even need a crafting menu for?

Real men rush fuel weaver day 1 with just an ax and no armor. 

[FreyaMaluk]

35 minutes ago, Dr.Medic said:

no i use that mod that actualy is helpful to MEEEEEE, you understand you people that allready? that some people have a differend view on what is helpful to one person? stop pushing us to use what YOU like and not what OTHERS like, it realy gets tiresome whit this, just let me use that mod that gives me the old tabs, something that helps ME and some others, since thats just how my brain works, i cant just delete that, my brain would not allow that, do you understand? i can still remember some 3d games level layout whit all there secrets, for games i have not played for a long time or watched, i still remember some school situations from many years ago, first school year even, and just as my brain still has those situations saved, so is the old crafting tabs sortings, and it wont go away, and so are some others, thats why i post that one mod so much,because it may help others, since it helped me, pins and favourits is what ever, what the proplem is is those filters, and the fact there some items that are in more then 1 filter, thats alsol why i like that mod, because its old tabs where everything is as before, and no item shows up more then once, so PLEASE, stop breakin my mind and just let me use what I NEED, and not what YOU want to me to use, PLEASE, i break 

I'm not telling you not to use any mods to make the your experience better nor am I judging u in any way. As you have your opinion, I'm telling you my experience so far. it has been positive even if a bit confusing at the beginning, I personally find it much better moving forward for mods that add different structures to the game and also for the game itself adding more items in the future.

Do what you feel it makes te experience better for you. "Your game, your rules" but by the same token we all have different opinions that are valid. 

This is a game to have fun. Not a religion with a set of hard rules.

[lakhnish]

16 hours ago, Chea-k-hole said:

i want to know who was the player where did they give this feed back like show me some sort of evidence of a player saying something and then klei actually responding and doing something show me this to support your claim

My suggestions that were added in the beta:

1. Increasing the durability of the Malbatross bill -> Update 499243
2. Normal Wolfgang having a normal attack speed when attacking with a marbell -> Update 498339
3. Skin presets are now 25 instead of 10. -> Peter's post saying he has now increased the number

[Cheggf]

On 3/28/2022 at 8:51 PM, Cheggf said:

Scott hearted my comment saying how I wish the crafting worked then he hearted my comment saying he hearted my comment. Now they say that pins will have multiple tabs and be saved per account instead of per world - exactly what I said!

He also hearted my comment talking about how the clean sweeper is hard to make on pubs since dark petals are weird to get. Now the recipe doesn't need them any more!

The cost of the sea wreath, the drop rate of cookie cutter shells, basically everything in the latest qol honestly was all community suggested. I played a beta world for like 300 days just to test things out and give feedback, that's how engaged I felt the devs were this latest patch.

Now Scott hearted my comment saying Scott hearted my comment saying Scott hearted my comment. This is getting ridiculous!

[DVGMedia]

Right now a mod is kind of making the UI tolerable
However The mods will fix it mentality really should not be the way that developers go into making a game.
Considering the fact that each criticism is valid.  
in fact though most good ideas come from the people who don't like what comes out vs the ones that just go with whatever the devs say

cause if we just did what the devs say and never said any criticism
Wolf would not have the changes  to the refresh he does now

Wendy would be a glass cannon abigail player

Woodies moose would still be useless and goose would not be able to walk on water

Tell me how many of those would have been fixed by mods?
and how many people would even know about these changes made by mods?

right now we get the chance to share  our ideas as a playerbase  and maybe klei will see some ideas they like that they may not have thought when creating the new UI

Just cause we don't like whats put out that makes our thoughts invalid?
Its more often the people that have a dislike to whats made that tend to have the better criticism vs those that like what was made.

This goes to those of you Defending the current UI what thoughts can you make to make it better?

 

[QuartzBeam]

33 minutes ago, EsaiXD said:

Right now a mod is kind of making the UI tolerable

Right now a mod is replacing the new categories with the old ones, which is certainly great for the minority of people who, for whatever reason, are simply incapable of adapting to change, but completely misses one of the primary selling points of the new UI.

 

35 minutes ago, EsaiXD said:

However The mods will fix it mentality really should not be the way that developers go into making a game.

It's not a "mods will fix it mentality". It's a "what you are suggesting is basically a downgrade, so keep it the hell away from the base game" mentality. 

Case in point: The current system, where healing items are found in Healing, winter items are found in Winter Items, fishing items in Fishing, etc., is way more intuitive than the previous system, where you had prototypers, explosives, lighting rods and flingomatics all lumped together in the "Science" tab and where the Survival tab was a dumping ground for any item that didn't entirely fit anywhere else (and sometimes even items that did). So, if you want to go back, it's better to use a mod than attempt to drag the whole game down with you.

 

 

[DVGMedia]

Just now, QuartzBeam said:

Right now a mod is replacing the new categories with the old ones, which is certainly great for the minority of people who, for whatever reason, are simply incapable of adapting to change, but completely misses one of the primary selling points of the new UI.

 

It's not a "mods will fix it mentality". It's a "what you are suggesting is basically a downgrade, so keep it the hell away from the base game" mentality. 

Case in point: The current system, where healing items are found in Healing, winter items are found in Winter Items, fishing items in Fishing, etc., is way more intuitive than the previous system, where you had prototypers, explosives, lighting rods and flingomatics all lumped together in the "Science" tab and where the Survival tab was a dumping ground for any item that didn't entirely fit anywhere else (and sometimes even items that did). So, if you want to go back, it's better to use a mod than attempt to drag the whole game down with you.

 

 

https://clips.twitch.tv/VainSuccessfulAlpacaMVGame-MkgrwN-oZq-i8-5o
I cant believe it honestly They said The complete opposite
The thing is People are more keen to accept something that is somewhat familiar to them.
They are less likely to accept something completely different It causes defenses to get up and it causes more people to just disregard the new thing.
Why do you think this is all happening and us trying to defend stuff that really was drastic

Looking at the actual dev cast they made it would have been great to been more involved with the thought process of the developers
because on some of their original designs for the new UI they did had something that people would be familar with  and it would not cause much flame
With early criticism We could have made a crafting system that would be good for everyone.
and even have lots of the ideas

I wish they chose to release this thought process so that it may be seen by us.

LIke how valve did the jungle inferno update. They said exactly what they planned to change for this big update
and the players were able to scrutinize and even come up with better ideas.
Then eventually  the update comes out and it finally gets tested
Which is ment to be the finishing touches to make it tolerable for all

 

[QuartzBeam]

8 minutes ago, EsaiXD said:

The thing is People are more keen to accept something that is somewhat familiar to them.

Yes, familiarity is important, but that doesn't mean it should prevent them from fixing one of the biggest issues the old UI had, that being the nonsensical and bloated categories. Hell, I bet that was the main issue that drove them to make the new UI, as it was making it harder and harder to add new crafts to the game.

[DVGMedia]

2 minutes ago, QuartzBeam said:

Yes, familiarity is important, but that doesn't mean it should prevent them from fixing one of the biggest issues the old UI had, that being the nonsensical and bloated categories. Hell, I bet that was the main issue that drove them to make the new UI, as it was making it harder and harder to add new crafts to the game.

I mean if you have looked at our suggestions and not just gave us the
Just get used to it treatment or just kind of making our suggestions invalid.
I hope there is going to be some change to the Ui because if they leave it in this state its not better.
They even said it themselves if they are going to put this work in.
EVERYTHING needs to be better

Right now currently everything is not better with the UI
It ruins actually alot of good things that the older UI had
There are some good ideas they have made.
however This UI does not fit with the quote they said that everything should be better

 

[goblinball]

Idk what people are complaining about with the new tabs or whatever I just use the search function to type whatever item I need and there it is. I couldn’t tell you where half the swapped items are because the search function is just so convenient. That being said, I kinda understand where people against the new ui are coming from. From the perspective of just a regular player, the old ui worked. Yeah the survival tab was kinda dumb, some of the other stuff didn’t really make sense, but you had that all memorized now so it didn’t matter. If it ain’t broke don’t fix it, right? Well that’s the problem: it was broken. The old tabs were a pain to learn; I had no clue what a football helmet was for longer than I should’ve because searching through the tabs was such a pain. Even after I learned it all, scrolling through tabs to find that one item I was actually looking for (especially on larger tabs like the survival one) could be frustrating. These issues got progressively worse as more items were being added, and now there were a bajillion items locked behind tabs only accessible when next to an item because otherwise klei would’ve run out of tabs ages ago. There were other issues too, like modded items not being able to have more than 3 (I think it’s 3 at least) items in their recipe without the UI getting all wacko (this was only a super minor visual thing but still an issue regardless), and tabs going over themselves when you put yourself into creative mode so you have to individually scroll through them all until you get to the tab you want. Again, it wasn’t game breaking and a UI overhaul wasn’t necessarily needed from the lens of the average player, but the old UI was definitely showing it’s age, and this new UI is way better.  

[ArubaroBeefalo]

2 hours ago, EsaiXD said:

Wendy would be a glass cannon abigail player

that would be funnier

[Cheggf]

5 hours ago, EsaiXD said:

LIke how valve did the jungle inferno update. They said exactly what they planned to change for this big update
and the players were able to scrutinize and even come up with better ideas.
Then eventually  the update comes out and it finally gets tested

Is this a joke? Klei listened to feedback about 10,000x more than Valve did. Klei either has added or said they are going to add literally every single good suggestion about the crafting UI I saw in the beta. Klei added tons of community suggested random things like the recipe changes. Klei has done so much, and you dare to say that they should be more like "We heard that you guys don't want us to nerf this weapon into uselessness for no reason. Don't worry, we got you. Now we are instead nerfing this weapon into uselessness for no reason, but the words on the star card are different"?

Valve barely made any changes due to feedback with JI and unlike this update where you have people who want them to undo it for no reason other than " it's different", you have people who want to undo tons of things JI did both for the same no reason you have and tons who want the changes reverted for actual reasons. JI literally made Pyro more buggy than he used to be and while many of the balance changes made sense many were just completely nonsensical.

[maradyne]

8 hours ago, goblinball said:

Idk what people are complaining about with the new tabs or whatever I just use the search function to type whatever item I need and there it is.

This and favorites make the new UI an improvement to me.

I just think that it still needs more work. Doing something better doesn't mean that it does everything better.

[Gerrard]

I love the new UI