landromat Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 2 most useful items in the game are dropped by regular seasonal mob? These items are too good for that. Shanter and Cane are worth of big boss fight each and ways to obtain them should be changed i believe Maybe Igloo should become entrance to the McTusk dungeon and you have to beat waves of enemies or kill a big boss down there to get a chance of cane or shanter. Maybe different events can happen for different items like you can get shanter from waves and tusk from boss or something like that TLDR Shanter and Cane worth more effort than just making child walrus an orphan Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136388-mctusk-is-outdated/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArubaroBeefalo Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 him being less dumb will fix the problem is silly to have such loot behind a mob that can be killed by simply making walk a little is sad because the idea is great. Is the only mob that comes with other mob together and one of the few ranged atack mobs They need some love Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136388-mctusk-is-outdated/#findComment-1526845 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flarezen Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 what's the point? when you can also get the tam and cane from a fully decorated festive tree. making it boss loot sounds terrible since in a group everyone will want the walking cane compare to waiting 2.5 days so everyone can get a chance at a tusk. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136388-mctusk-is-outdated/#findComment-1526849 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinancoTheBest Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 Walking Cane is basically a necessity item that even the game expects everyone to have as evidenced by celestial champion requiring at least cane speed to avoid its roomba dash, and even other attack designs like Ancient Fuelweaver's bone prisons. Gating it behind a big boss that recharges slowly would only create a worse experience. The Eye Mask is a very helpful daily use item and even with a boss that can be spawned anywhere every 15 days it takes quite a while to get one mask for everyone; let alone the shield of terror. I think overall it's good that the tusk is dropped by Mctusks and the cane can additionally be obtained from deep sea treasures + festive trees. After all beyond the cane, tusk is also needed for beefalo brushes and backtrek watches. Tam o' Shanter is even less of a bossworthy item, outclassed by Beefalo Hat and Celestial Crown in their respective areas, I don't think it necessitates the loot to be transferred to a meaner, rarer mob. One thing that can be done about McTusks would be giving them some spotlight and prominence in a "polar biome" if polar sea island biomes are ever added to the game as once teased by the Waterlogged Update. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136388-mctusk-is-outdated/#findComment-1526872 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike23Ua Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 Outside of boss fights I don’t even use a walking cane anymore, simply just because Year of the Beefalo made them mostly irrelevant in every single way. So seems silly to want to lock it behind a boss fight: especially for an item that isn’t even guaranteed it will drop. You don’t even need the tusk for Beefalo brush anymore because as long as your constantly riding it and feeding it, you should have it tamed well before MacTusks even spawn. This game has been changing a lot.. Things that were once “the best” are now only “I can get by just fine without it until I need it for X situation..” Everyone can get a Day 1 Beefalo Mount: Everyone had to fight over who got the first walking cane. Games changing for the better. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136388-mctusk-is-outdated/#findComment-1526889 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hornete Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 Tam o shanters aren't that fantastic imo. I'd much rather have a beefalo hat for more insulation. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136388-mctusk-is-outdated/#findComment-1526890 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frashaw27 Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 this is a blatant attempt to remove sped boosts in all parts of the game, and I won't stand for it. In all seriousness, their really not. While the Walking Cane is indeed a good item, it isn't boss tier. The Cane requires the hand slot to use, which is fine for general use, but you can't use anything else while using it. You can't use a lantern (requiring you to either replace the cane with it or sacrifice the body/head slot once it gets dark), it doesn't deal much damage (requiring you to constantly weapon swap to do even remotely decent damage, and you can't), and you can't do any work while doing it (admittedly the weakest point, but it still establishes how little you can do with the cane in your hand). This doesn't make the item exceptionally bad or anything, it's still really good, but it isn't godly by itself. "By itself" being the operative phrase here. The cane on it's own isn't good, but it allows players that can properly utilize the extra speed to use it. Its a tool that allows player's to amplify their skill, which is common and effective type of mechanic that can be seen in many games. For example, in Dead Cells there are shields that Block and Parry attacks. While blocking is fairly simple, hold it up and you take less damage from that direction, parrying is instead an extremely unique mechanic that rewards players by allowing them to reflect damage onto the attacker by using adaptive timing. This makes shields useful for both beginners and veterans by allowing both types of players to gain a benefit while using it, with varying mileages being taken, which is how I think the Walking Cane should viewed. Like Dead Cell's Shields, the Walking Cane allows for players of all types to benefit while using it, but also allows for more skilled players to extend upon what that extra speed allows them to do. Tools like that need to provided early as it prioritizes and rewards players to start learning and growing with the mechanic can offer when and where, instead of locking it behind some arbitrary restriction because those skilled players do so much with it. Even from a game progression and design perspective, it makes some sense to allow players to access these tools early as it allows players to see what they can gain from exploring and going outside of their comfort zone. By limiting all of the good items to behind a boss/difficulty wall, it disallows players from gaining equipment, not only to simply deal with those difficulty walls, but also getting stuff that players perceive as powerful makes them want to get more stuff like that, incentivizing them to play the game more. While it's okay to keep the good s**t behind walls so that the player feels both good for beating the wall and is rewarded for doing so, keeping ALL of these types of items just limits the enjoyment as a player as the progression rate of equipment to risk is divided between a high and low instead of a natural line. Bottom line, restricting the Cane does little more than limit a player's enjoyment of the game and disallows a potential tool to help them grow, all because some people have already done said growing. The reason why this comment has been so focused on the Cane solely instead on the Tam and Cane combined is that the benefits that the Tam gives, while useful in their out right, are so not worth being a boss item. It's warmth is matched by a simple Winter Hat, and the sanity gain can easily be replaced by getting sanity recovering items like cooked cactus or ice cream. It's a good item, but seriously not the level of Boss Item like an Eyebrella, Weather Pain, or the Eye Mask. It's okay to for some things to give a slightly higher reward than natural as it what drive the player with exploration for other such items and allows them to extend their skills with practice with the game's mechanics. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136388-mctusk-is-outdated/#findComment-1526892 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALCRD Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Mike23Ua said: Outside of boss fights I don’t even use a walking cane anymore, simply just because Year of the Beefalo made them mostly irrelevant in every single way. At least the Walking Cane doesn't get horny and try to kill you. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136388-mctusk-is-outdated/#findComment-1526924 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BezKa Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 3 minutes ago, ALCRD said: At least the Walking Cane doesn't get horny and try to kill you. A tame beef doesn't either. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136388-mctusk-is-outdated/#findComment-1526927 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALCRD Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 43 minutes ago, BezKa said: A tame beef doesn't either. Huh? I still got mine in heat and it tried to murder me. One of reasons why i gave up on these abominations. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136388-mctusk-is-outdated/#findComment-1526938 Share on other sites More sharing options...
csc_unit Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 Coming in this tread I got exited because MacTusk is indeed outdated. I think OP is on the right track with a dungeon in order to deepen MacTusk the character, but I think something else could be better. However, IMO the reason why he is outdated isn't because the cane and the tam are too easy to acquire. Two subjects matter about this post: drops being too easy to acquire and the deepening of Mactusk, one of the few "intelligent" being living in the Constant (certainly not talking about his AI here lol) beside the survivors. Why the cane drop is alright as it is: After hours of gameplay, the 25% speed boost is, for me, needed to enjoy the game at this point. Can't go without it. The walking and picking grass and twigs needs to end as fast as possible. Speed is really everything in this game. Further than that, speed is so good in DST that it gets rapidly too good, hence why Wolfgang lost it.. That said, it is good that the cane is "unlocked" by time passed in game and not by a giant fight. I would be okay with a harder fight as long as I can get to it on day 21, but it doesn't really seem necessary. I just see it as a QoL perk that rewards players for surviving this long. You don't level up in DST, but there is still a progression in the way your life gets simpler and so allowing you to tackle bigger tasks. Some goodies are hidden behind Boss fights you could in theory get to on day 1 and some goodies are season related/ time dependant. And I think Winter is a correct time frame to get that precious 25% speed boost. Who is MacTusk? 3 hours ago, SinancoTheBest said: One thing that can be done about McTusks would be giving them some spotlight and prominence in a "polar biome" if polar sea island biomes are ever added to the game as once teased by the Waterlogged Update. ^ This here. Now we are starting to talk. Not changing Mactusk on land, maybe adding a new drop that would hint of help finding that Polar Island. This new biome could have hazards like visual blizzards, extreme colds, and snowshoes to go through. The Island would also be the native home to other walrus guys. And there I want to see more than just a bunch of Igloos with Tusk'n sons roaming around (oof that would be disappointing). I want to get more lore about that intelligent mob, I want to see their culture, some drying racks with fishes on, firepits, stuff like that. Plus of course a ... Walrus King? Or a boss fight? Both? Edit: Oh imagine that there's deep snow, and the fact that you leave footprints enables the Tusk clan to track you down anywhere except during Blizzards. :O Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136388-mctusk-is-outdated/#findComment-1526942 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArubaroBeefalo Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 24 minutes ago, ALCRD said: Huh? I still got mine in heat and it tried to murder me. One of reasons why i gave up on these abominations. maybe was a bug because they never get horny with the bell i think even the not-totally-tamed beefalos can go on heat but arent agressive towards you Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136388-mctusk-is-outdated/#findComment-1526947 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALCRD Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 1 minute ago, ArubaroBeefalo said: maybe was a bug because they never get horny with the bell i think even the not-totally-tamed beefalos can go on heat but arent agressive towards you Yea it was bell bonded one. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136388-mctusk-is-outdated/#findComment-1526948 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArubaroBeefalo Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, ALCRD said: Yea it was bell bonded one. by chance was during year of the beefalo? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136388-mctusk-is-outdated/#findComment-1526951 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALCRD Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 18 minutes ago, ArubaroBeefalo said: by chance was during year of the beefalo? Nope also i noticed his bum turning red when i gone to caves with him ... it was red for like 1 second and then returned to normal. That was several ingame days prior to him becoming in full heat and wanting to kill me. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136388-mctusk-is-outdated/#findComment-1526955 Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Nick- Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 6 hours ago, landromat said: Maybe Igloo should become entrance to the McTusk dungeon and you have to beat waves of enemies or kill a big boss down there to get a chance of cane or shanter. Maybe different events can happen for different items like you can get shanter from waves and tusk from boss or something like that All that work for a tam and cane? Id rather gamble on klaus drops. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136388-mctusk-is-outdated/#findComment-1526964 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArubaroBeefalo Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 17 minutes ago, ALCRD said: Nope also i noticed his bum turning red when i gone to caves with him ... it was red for like 1 second and then returned to normal. That was several ingame days prior to him becoming in full heat and wanting to kill me. they were so buggy but now i dont experience any bug Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136388-mctusk-is-outdated/#findComment-1526966 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALCRD Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 3 minutes ago, ArubaroBeefalo said: they were so buggy but now i dont experience any bug Either way he's BBQ now. He was delicious. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136388-mctusk-is-outdated/#findComment-1526968 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxposting Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 No more canes, Higgsbury. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136388-mctusk-is-outdated/#findComment-1526969 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fsp98 Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 Just make the hunting party a bit harder to kill. That's all you need imo. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136388-mctusk-is-outdated/#findComment-1527027 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike23Ua Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 3 hours ago, ALCRD said: Yea it was bell bonded one. You can tame him out fully before he ever goes into heat but it will require almost non-stop riding: Which ever since Year of the Beefalo: Hasn’t been much of a problem because you can pluck grass, gather sticks and loose items off the ground without ever dismounting, the only time you absolutely WILL need to Dismount is to break apart a rock or chop wood, everything else: A Day 1 Beefalo will trivialize to the point that a Walking Cane is useless outside of a Boss fight (you can even pluck the resources that damage you like desert cactus and since the Beefalo passively regenerates it’s health outside of combat without needing to be fed or healed, it’s probably the best most effective way) #Beefalo Are Meta. No we aren’t pulling your leg, yes they’re really that good and everyone in the server can get themselves one without having to fight over the one tusk that drops. So yes op- MacTusk are outdated… in a Good way. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136388-mctusk-is-outdated/#findComment-1527030 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALCRD Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 Don't care if they can move mountains or beat the game for me. Taming one is a extremely time consuming frustrating chore and after all your effort they are still disloyal pieces of ... I rather go for the Walking Cane on pubs especially cause hell no i am not wasting my time taming a Beefalo on populated pub server where twigs and grass are almost non existent and flint is a fabled myth. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136388-mctusk-is-outdated/#findComment-1527039 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hhh2 Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 I don't know about a mactusk dungeon, that sounds kinda silly but maybe making him less dumb and sorta like a mini boss would be nice, but the tusk would need to be guaranteed if it were to become more difficult. the tamoshanter should be the optional drop. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136388-mctusk-is-outdated/#findComment-1527046 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike23Ua Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 49 minutes ago, ALCRD said: Don't care if they can move mountains or beat the game for me. Taming one is a extremely time consuming frustrating chore and after all your effort they are still disloyal pieces of ... I rather go for the Walking Cane on pubs especially cause hell no i am not wasting my time taming a Beefalo on populated pub server where twigs and grass are almost non existent and flint is a fabled myth. When you say populated public server how many players are you talking? For Xbox we have a total of 6… and even with a full server of 6 it can still sometimes feel like your walking in a ghost town before coming across another player.. You can take bell bound Beefalos with you everywhere, so on the surface, in caves, on boating trips, to pearls island, to lunar island, you can probably tame one on just the mushrooms found in the underground mush tree biome alone (not sure though) All that is required for Beef tame: Bell, Saddle, you on riding it nearly 24/7, when it bucks you off 2-4 twigs in its mouth hole and then a re-mounting of its saddle for more riding, Each time it bucks you off and you give it 2 sticks TWO STICKS (that’s less then Wolfgang’s rework requires) and then hop back on its back the timer before your thrown off again increases until eventually it no longer throws you off its back at all and will have a more groomed look. You will have all of this done before you even have a CHANCE to get to a Walking Cane.. (unless you get super lucky and find it in a set piece) We aren’t being jerks here when we tell you guys to just get a Beefalo- You can have a Beefalo as early as Day 1 you can have a Walking cane (provided the RNG gods are in your favor) by day 20 Or build a boat and once again get lucky with the RNG gods to pull one up out a sunken sea chest. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136388-mctusk-is-outdated/#findComment-1527047 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheggf Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 4 hours ago, ALCRD said: Huh? I still got mine in heat and it tried to murder me. Domesticated beefalo do not enter heat. While you are still in the process of domesticating it it can. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136388-mctusk-is-outdated/#findComment-1527049 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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