The venting thread

[Echsrick]

there many things i would like to see and many things i dont like to see like, well i dont think maybe you alredy know too much about me about that

[VirgilEngineer]

Everyday i look into my conspiracy board, looking for clues, conections, lore, character quotes, betas, trivia, deleted content. So yeah, i love the don't starve lore, i talk so much about the lore that My Friends use the "Honey, it's 3 AM, time to talk about why Wagstaff is going to be added theory for the 15th time" meme to annoy me.

 

So yeah. I'm kinda mad about how eye of the storm left a cliffhanger... Please Klei! I'm a Valve fanboy! I know the pain of a cliffhanger! I don't want to Wait a whole year or more to see what is Wagstaff doing, at this point I just want Wagstaff as a playable character, i have 25K Spools thinking some day i'll use it to craft Wagstaff or his skins. 

The people that tell me "Just use mods" don't understand the fact that i'm incapable of hosting a server because my internet sucks.

Also! I forgot to add!

 

WARBUCKS IS DEAD! 

Why...? 

[Mike23Ua]

I’m trying to find the games meaningful updates in Klei’s developer log- which SHOULD be easy but not all updates have proper labels so it’s just update #456098 or something like that, making it very hard to give my friend accurate information about the games updates (not the small changes or patch fixes but the ones Klei consider as the monthly update)

Such as Wes Refresh which took place on April 1st and easy to find but instead of being labeled in the log as Wes Refresh it’s Game Update #

this is highly annoying.. and in fact makes it impossible to find updates I KNOW Happened but aren’t easily found in this log such as “Year of the Beefalo”

The WIKI version history is EQUALLY Unhelpful because someone thought it would be a good idea to include all the small bug fixes and changes in that list instead of a clear cut list of the bigger meaningful monthly updates.

I can’t even find Year of The Beefalo anywhere in the Developer log.. but I KNOW it’s an update that happened this year. 

[HowlVoid]

1 hour ago, Mike23Ua said:

Try their facebook page (idk if twitter is the same but it should work too) they have all of the major monthly updates posted. You'll also find the updates of their other games but you can just scroll past them.

[Skelewar]

6 hours ago, Superlucas1231 said:

And then you have her personality 

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Oh my god do I hate Wendy's personality. 1000 times more than I hate her gameplay.

So you have this character that is supposed to be creepy and morbid. That’s fine. She makes suicide jokes. Multiple of them.Really. Fine. She jokes about murdering her friend. Fine... not a huge problem because she is just a very edgy character that’s not supposed to be taken seriously.

But for whatever reason, she is supposed to be taken seriously. With things like her character refresh trailer and some of her quotes, she’s trying to come off as this tragic, depressed little girl that’s sad about her sister dying.  

That ruins her whole character. she ends up coming off as a stereotype of depressed people being emo/edgy and it played seriously. it makes the jokes horrible unfunny, her "edgy" quotes a lot more obnoxious, and makes it extremely hard to feel bad for her when she casually jokes about murdering her friends for no reason.

I could maybe see the argument of "Wendy acts like this because she became way too fixated on Abby's death, causing her to become more nihilistic of life and to accept that death is inevitable." or something. but like, then why does she just casually make killing her friends while also getting really upset whenever Abby dies? Why does she even try to hide her happiness in some quotes but not in others? she just comes so artificial and hard to feel bad for because she tries so hard to come off as being edgy.

I don't even want to give her a chance and reread her quotes and change my opinion because a chunk of her fandom treats her like this "uwuwuw quirky expersso depresso uwuwuwuwuwuwu" character. I just personally hate it when depression (or any mental illness) is played off like a personality trait. 

 

You're allowed to not like her personality, but in my opinion her being a conflicted character is part of it. The way I see it, Abigail died, Wendy became suicidal and wished for her sister back above all else, she accepts a deal in order to be with Abigail again and enters the constant where she actually is partially reunited with Abigail albeit not how she expected, and now she still acts suicidal and apathetic but after all she has her sister back and new friends like Webber so she's confused about whether or not she's still depressed because trapped in endless survival wilderness world, or getting better because maybe this world is better than where she came from. She's maybe the only character who's big mental flaw is actually helped by living in the constant.. except maybe Wigfrid as thinking you're a viking fighting machine is pretty useful too.

[Capybara007]

2 hours ago, Skelewar said:

 

Disagreed, Wendy's main personality gimmick is that she is sad because abby died, but thast where the line ends, after some time in the gameplay you start taking her quotes less serious, and yes, "Watching your sister die" sounds though for a CHILD, but it isnt as though when you compare her to the other child characters

Look at Walter, after he gets stuck in the constant, he will never be able to see his family again, yet his personality doesnt revolve around that, he is a scout boy unaware of the dangers, and this leads to iconic qoutes such as "Is that a deerclops? I need to see it"

Or what about Webber, his parents arent gonna recognize him anymore and he is aware of it, but unlike Wendy he doesnt revolve about being edgy over this, instesd he has a friendly kid attitude that develops different types of friendships with every character.

I respect you opinion and you shouldnt change its for what im saying but from a more critic perspective, Wendy isnt really a well written character, and as your wording says:

2 hours ago, Skelewar said:

she's confused about whether or not she's still depressed because trapped in endless survival wilderness world, or getting better because maybe this world is better than where she came from.

You cant be "confused" if you are depressive or not, depression isnt a personality trait, being edgy is, what i can see what you refer to is that Wendy is like:

"Should i act sad today or not? I dont feel sad but i have to do it because thats how i am!"

[Mike23Ua]

I’m still not 100% convinced Abigail is even real, or for that matter Ever even was- Maybe Wendy just had “issues” maybe she was like Wednesday Addams & just a awkward Morbid little kid.. Maybe she didn’t ever HAVE a twin sister and only pretended that she did and her entire family went along with it.

Re-Watch her animated short- when Wendy is called in from playing she does not run to Jack Carter Crying her eyes out that her sister just fell over a cliff side, and the Wendy we see in the short isn’t “aged up” to show that there’s a time lapse difference between what happens to Abigail & Jack calling Wendy in for the night.

Its almost as if Abigail only exists in Wendy’s mind, Don’t Starve is morbid weird game franchise anyway so it certainly fits the theme.. But her animated short which was supposed to reveal backstory & lore actually only ended up raising a billion more questions.

But I suppose the character who got short shafted most on lore was Woodie- his entire animated short was like watching an episode of Ben 10.. it told you nothing about his past or what his life was like before the constant it was just this one big comic strip..

I suppose if we want to truly rant about things it should be the unanswered lore, the forgotten plot holes, and all the things the game leaves up to “Fan-Fiction” to believe.

Whats a Nox? Is Woby the lost Nox?? If Woby is the lost Nox how did she end up inside the constant? What about curio collector himself? What’s his deal? Why does his quotes imply that the shadow people, Charlie or whatever doesn’t bother him or care what he does? How are the things that inhabit to constant escaping across periods of time to chase Willow & Wanda..? Why are Pigmen intelligent in the hamlet DLC but dumb in DST if DST takes place after the events of Hamlet?

Better yet- how did Wormwood who was born in Hamlet and Warly who was sailing the seas of Shipwrecked end up finding their way into the DST climate? With Warly he was explained away as simply dashing his ship against the shore and the survivors rescuing him- which would imply that one could simply “sail into” Shipwrecked biomes.

But that only explains Warly it does not explain how Wormwood got from the clouds above DST in Hamlet into the DST..

What about Lunar Mutations? What happened with those? In Hamlet there are Spider-Apes a mutation of Spiders & Splumonkey hybrid- but in the DST constant they’re still separated as Spiders and Splumonkey, normally I would’ve just passed Hamlet off as a continuation AFTER the events of DST, but Wormwoods entire existence debunks that lore point.

So: What’s actually going on? If Pigmen are an intelligent civilization in Hamlet BECAUSE they are in the clouds above DST and thus closer to the moon and it’s powers- then why haven’t we seen creatures in DST after Return of Them Turn of Tides/Eye of Storm becoming more and more intelligent, mutated etc now that there’s a literal chunk of that moon just dipping out in the ocean somewhere?

If the Wagstaff in Moonstorm is a Hologram, where is the real Wagstaff?? 

What’s the deal with Gorge/Forge lore?? Is it canon, is it non-canon? KLEI HELP WHAT IN THE HECK IS ACTUALLY GOING ON?!?!

Yeah.. that’ll give you all something to think about I guess?, your welcome.  

[Dextops]

3 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

Whats a Nox?

its kinda like an ox, but not

[Pig Princess]

57 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

I’m still not 100% convinced Abigail is even real

Abigail was 100% real as William Carter puzzles and vignette related to Wendy's backstory suggest. Twins were mentioned in letter from Jack Carter to his brother William (Maxwell), and on vignette one can see letter/card with the line "In loving memory of Abigail Lillian Carter", the latter is likely to be written by relatives that couldn't attend on funeral and therefore send letter/card as a mean of showing their care and sorrow. Alternative hypothesis you would have to consider in order to defend "Abigail was hallucination" position is that Wendy's father also was mentally ill, and at the same time Wendy/Wendy's father wrote letter mentioning Abigail with all formalities performed. For me hypothisis No 1 (Abigail was real) is clear winner since it doesn't create extra entities to explain the same amount of stuff compared to hypothesis No 2 (Abigail is not real).

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The letter reads:

William,

You've finally come to America! How exciting! Has your show taken New York by storm yet? I fear we may have just missed each other - the city was too much for me, so I've gone west - It really is amazing out here - maybe you could visit sometime?

Have you corresponded with mother lately? The post is dreadfully inconsistent out here, I can't believe she hasn't met the twins yet!

Warmest regards,

-Jack.

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One can clearly see that Wendy herself was busy trying to meet with Abigail, and I doubt she had time to write letters to herself, especially since her relations with Abigail didn't contain even sign of formality. If anything, should Wendy herself write letter, she most likely would write something like "My dear sister", or even go straight to the matter with "Where are you, Abigail? You can't be not here, right?". Same for father talking about daughter.

Also Wicherbottom refers to Abigail as to real entity:

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Should Abigail be not real, Wickerbottom wouldn't refer to Abigail's spirit like spirit of once living person, but rather to "this entity" or something like that. And Wickerbottom is very knowledgable.

Edit: I forgot to mention that it's unclear how much time passed between Abigail's death and entering the Constant, so it could be a few days, weeks on months, and even in case of several months passed children can look roughly the same before and after.

[Horsheen]

Pls klei add woby eating animation please I can't live without this 

[Pine G]

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2 minutes ago, Horsheen said:

Pls klei add woby eating animation please I can't live without this 

 

Is this an actual unimplemented animation that Woby has or is it borrowed from beefalo?

[Horsheen]

Just now, Pine G said:

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Is this an actual unimplemented animation that Woby has or is it borrowed from beefalo?

Unimplemented 

[minespatch]

2 hours ago, Pig Princess said:

Would love to the see the top left guy be given development just like Witherstone.

[Cookie95]

I'm also sick and tired of seeing the same items getting skins. Sure, variety is appreciated, but I don't think we need 4 shadow manipulator skins when there are many items that have none.

 

[Dextops]

time to use my own venting thread for myself
wurts bugs. Please klei im on my knees just anything saying "we're working on it" or anything a lot of these bugs have been around since wurts release and they still haven't been fixed. You clearly haven't forgotten about wurt because you fixed her infinite loyalty bug a while ago, so please for the love of god fix her bugs.

[Flip Face]

On 11/8/2021 at 7:10 PM, Mike23Ua said:

I actually don’t have a problem with Wavey.. what I seem to struggle with is Cookie Cutters- I hate these things.. they Stun-Lock you.. carve holes into your boat, and are easy to get hidden behind structures/boat masts until it’s too late.. But the WORST part is their Respawn rate is crazy fast after you’ve killed them all out.

Ive actually died several times while in this biome because I would kill them out then think it was “safe” to go pee returning to find I’m dead and my ship is destroyed- thank GOD there’s now a pause button that prevents this.. but that doesn’t make them any less annoying in stun-lock and Respawn rate. -_- 

whips are the best weapon against them. When you hit one, everyone backs off.

[QuartzBeam]

16 hours ago, Geo95 said:

I'm also sick and tired of seeing the same items getting skins. Sure, variety is appreciated, but I don't think we need 4 shadow manipulator skins when there are many items that have none.

 

It boggles my mind that the Insulated Pack still doesn't have a single skin to its name. It's arguably the second best backpack in the game, yet it's the only backpack without any skins. Even the Seed Pack-It, which is more of a joke item if anything, got a skin. I can get the Krampus Sack only having a single skin, since it's a super rare item, but the Insulated Pack is craftable from the second autumn at the latest (and you can get it in the first winter from Klaus).

 

Or how the Shadow Manipulator, which has like 10 recipes to its name, has a whopping 4 or 5 skins, yet the Alchemy Engine and Science Machine, which are the cornerstones of the game's crafting system, have a single skin each.

 

[Mike23Ua]

@HowlVoid has reminded me of one of the things I hate about Wormwood- his animated flower trail that lags behind him, is too “pretty” especially when MY wormwood walks around looking like This:

[HowlVoid]

6 hours ago, QuartzBeam said:

It boggles my mind that the Insulated Pack still doesn't have a single skin to its name. It's arguably the second best backpack in the game, yet it's the only backpack without any skins. Even the Seed Pack-It, which is more of a joke item if anything, got a skin. I can get the Krampus Sack only having a single skin, since it's a super rare item, but the Insulated Pack is craftable from the second autumn at the latest (and you can get it in the first winter from Klaus).

The garland of all things has more skins lmao.

[Yuuko]

Played Winona again last night... Man her downside is secret oppressively lol  ppl keep saying they need to give you a reason to play her - I think the real solution is to take away the annoying reason to NOT play her, which is the tedious hunger management / double craft time penalty early game...  idk what her penalty should be, but it shouldn't be what we got...

Maybe if she had like, Wolfgang hunger mechanic but for resource gathering / gather time / mining / chopping strength etc instead of combat...  At least then there's a reason to eat besides "fk I need to craft a new armor mid fight and I'm low hunger"

[Cr4zyFl4mes]

On 11/8/2021 at 11:10 PM, Mike23Ua said:

Ive actually died several times while in this biome because I would kill them out then think it was “safe” to go pee

Do you often go to pee while hanging out in the salt formations biome? Why would you think it's safe? How could you die like this SEVERAL times? Sorry, i know this is venting thread, but i just couldn't let this one be without a reaction.

[Mike23Ua]

13 minutes ago, Cr4zyFl4mes said:

Do you often go to pee while hanging out in the salt formations biome? Why would you think it's safe? How could you die like this SEVERAL times? Sorry, i know this is venting thread, but i just couldn't let this one be without a reaction.

Easy! I changed world Gen settings for cookie cutters to Tons not knowing they have such a ridiculously short Respawn timer anyway. I thought they would be similar to Tallbirds, as in killing them would take quite a while for a new bird to spawn.. That is NOT the case here.. and if your playing alone- I highly recommend you leave cookie cutters spawns default or even change them to low.

Not everyone is an Urber Lite pro at the game and I can’t handle having so many of the things clearly intended to be combated off with at least one other player- Ripping my boat to shreds because I’m playing alone.

[HowlVoid]

36 minutes ago, Cr4zyFl4mes said:

Do you often go to pee while hanging out in the salt formations biome? Why would you think it's safe? How could you die like this SEVERAL times? Sorry, i know this is venting thread, but i just couldn't let this one be without a reaction.

I'm surprised ANYONE wouldn't just log out of the game when you need a bathroom break. I need a bathroom break, idk, every 8 hours or so? If I had a lot of water it may be closer to 5 so its honestly a one time thing during a play session. 

There are so many things in this game that can kill you out of the blue. Just sailing, a rockjaw can come out of nowhere and chew you up and spit you out. A narwail can fight near you and cause you drift into dangerous things, it can get messy so fast.

[minespatch]

Wait- Does that mean...? 

REALLY???

 

 

Please don't let this be false hope-

[Mike23Ua]

8 hours ago, HowlVoid said:

I'm surprised ANYONE wouldn't just log out of the game when you need a bathroom break. I need a bathroom break, idk, every 8 hours or so? If I had a lot of water it may be closer to 5 so its honestly a one time thing during a play session. 

There are so many things in this game that can kill you out of the blue. Just sailing, a rockjaw can come out of nowhere and chew you up and spit you out. A narwail can fight near you and cause you drift into dangerous things, it can get messy so fast.

I need to go to the bathroom every 20-40 minutes or so, global pause was a god send feature for people like myself with over-reactive bladders, Cookie Cutters Respawn rate is ridiculously fast, that’s all there is to it.. if you kill them all out- they should stay dead for awhile.