Is it lisenced for modders to make money from in-game sales in the DST within their mod?

[NOOOBU]

I am curious about this for months, accroding the Player Creation Guidelines, i think it is not .......rightand illegal.

But i noticed there is a mod do the profit making by in-game purchase in DST, the QR code in this mod is for "mod skin purchase"(whatever, it is so funny)

 

[minespatch]

I've seen this in another thread. Need to see dev confirmation.

[xhyom]

This is for sure not allowed as far as i know, I remember a similar problem happened some time ago with ingame purchases in a chinese private server.

[NOOOBU]

I've heard about some in-game purchase mods or chargeable mods, at last they all be forced removed, by guidelines or something else you know.

They all end badly.

2 minutes ago, minespatch said:

I've seen this in another thread. Need to see dev confirmation.

thats one was shutted down, i do not know why

5 minutes ago, xhyom said:

This is for sure not allowed as far as i know, I remember a similar problem happened some time ago with ingame purchases in a chinese private server.

so what is the result of your heard aboutdid the CN server members be punished? 

[. . .]

i see no problem not that i would ever spend money on skins be it official or not ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[Dollmaker]

I remember a similar case from another game, the mods were forced to back away from the idea of selling their services. 

So yeah, dont think its allowed. 

[NOOOBU]

31 minutes ago, . . . said:

i see no problem not that i would ever spend money on skins be it official or not ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

yeah i know what you mean, its not premitted in DST, not every games. in MC the mod profit making is permitted, but Klei set the rules here, so we should follow it

33 minutes ago, Dollmaker said:

I remember a similar case from another game, the mods were forced to back away from the idea of selling their services. 

So yeah, dont think its allowed. 

but seems Klei do nothing with it, actually the most i concerned about is the Klei's attitude, if they made the rules but did not make it fair, its so bad and unfair for other modders and the regular players(no one want a unreliable purchase)

39 minutes ago, . . . said:

i see no problem not that i would ever spend money on skins be it official or not ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

the most important thing you need to pay attention is that Authorized Certification, when you spend your money on it through Klei's authorization, you will be more reassured, will you?

[-Variant]

The mod does have content you have to pay for/earn. I've checked.
The files for the stuff in the mod is also in an encrypted file, the same tech Klei uses for their skins. 
I'd wait for a dev to speak on the legality of it all but I'm really against the practice of stuff like this... when uploading a mod you're agreeing to not wall off the mod's contents from anyone.

[NOOOBU]

4 minutes ago, -Variant said:

The mod does have content you have to pay for/earn. I've checked.
The files for the stuff in the mod is also in an encrypted file, the same tech Klei uses for their skins. 
I'd wait for a dev to speak on the legality of it all but I'm really against the practice of stuff like this... when uploading a mod you're agreeing to not wall off the mod's contents from anyone.

But, i've said it to Klei, they just did say nothing. that' s why come here.

[dish-order man]

Again, I mean, I’m sure I have seen similar thread before. In fact, this is not a news in the CN community at all. I would like to say that it is normal for the authors of this mod to make profits in any ways.

 

 

As I know, besides in-game purchase, they have ever make profits by two other different ways:

they have listed the skin of their mod characters on CN e-shop (this for example: the e-shop) to sale as shown in the picture below:

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this skin are sold for 9.3 RMB

 

 

I calculated the e-shop profits according to the number of the comment shown as the picture below (because comment is allowed only after purchase), the total profit of this e-shop is 43933 RMB (equal to 6826.3 dollars)(sorry i have miscalculated this number before)

 

 

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total profits:

75*9.3+87*9.3+846*9.3+82*9.3+22*6.2+82*9.3+264*12.5+179*22+476*9.3+60*9.3+521*15.8+320*12.5+54*6.2+113*9.3+119*15.8+239*15.8+39*12.5+30*12.5+12.5*43 = 43933 RMB = 6826.346 dollars

(sorry i have miscalculated this number)

I would remind you that the guest of e-shop don’t like to send a comment at all, and the main profit way is not the e-shop but the in-game purchase. I cant image how many money they have made using this mod

 

By the way, they make profits not only by their mod but also the official files:

An author of this mod named DST_LSJ in forum and 美神自由梦 in bilibili have ever unpacked the art resources in the game and sold them to his fans priced 5 yuan for single picture/55 yuan for 14 pictures as the screenshot shows:

Spoiler

 

[NOOOBU]

3 minutes ago, dish-order man said:

Again, I mean, I’m sure I have seen similar thread before. In fact, this is not a news in the CN community at all. I would like to say that it is normal for the authors of this mod to make profits in any ways.

 

 

 

As I know, besides in-game purchase, they have ever make profits by two other different ways:

they have listed the skin of their mod characters on CN e-shop (this for example: the e-shop) to sale as shown in the picture below:

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this skin are sold for 9.3 RMB

 

 

 

I calculated the e-shop profits according to the number of the comment shown as the picture below (because comment is allowed only after purchase), the total profit of this e-shop is 439330 RMB (equal to 68263 dollars)

 

 

 

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total profits:

75*9.3+87*9.3+846*9.3+82*9.3+22*6.2+82*9.3+264*12.5+179*22+476*9.3+60*9.3+521*15.8+320*12.5+54*6.2+113*9.3+119*15.8+239*15.8+39*12.5+30*12.5+12.5*43 = 439330 RMB = 68263.46 dollars

 

I would remind you that the guest of e-shop don’t like to send a comment at all, and the main profit way is not the e-shop but the in-game purchase. I cant image how many money they have made using this mod

 

 

By the way, they make profits not only by their mod but also the official files:

An author of this mod named DST_LSJ in forum and 美神自由梦 in bilibili have ever unpacked the art resources in the game and sold them to his fans priced 5 yuan for single picture/55 yuan for 14 pictures as the screenshot shows:

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Well, looks like he's a repeat offender. 

[-Variant]

9 minutes ago, dish-order man said:

An author of this mod named DST_LSJ in forum and 美神自由梦 in bilibili have ever unpacked the art resources in the game and sold them to his fans priced 5 yuan for single picture/55 yuan for 14 pictures as the screenshot shows:

YIKES Oh no. Isn't the whole point of encrypting to prevent stuff like this?
 

 

10 minutes ago, dish-order man said:

As I know, besides in-game purchase, they have ever make profits by two other different ways:

they have listed the skin of their mod characters on CN e-shop (this for example: the e-shop) to sale as shown in the picture below:

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this skin are sold for 9.3 RMB

 

 

 

I calculated the e-shop profits according to the number of the comment shown as the picture below (because comment is allowed only after purchase), the total profit of this e-shop is 439330 RMB (equal to 68263 dollars)

????????????

I went to check out the stores' listings. I'm having a hard time getting it to load but here's some of the listings.

 

[dish-order man]

2 minutes ago, -Variant said:

I went to check out the stores' listings. I'm having a hard time getting it to load but here's some of the listings.

 

if you have fully loaded this website,it should be like this:

[prettynuggets]

the mod is really well made .. i saw so much comments on another thread and in another web that many Chinese people claim that this mod that keep them playing DST 

im not sure . probably there is reason why klei didnt take action (?)
 

[NOOOBU]

4 minutes ago, prettynuggets said:

the mod is really well made .. i saw so much comments on another thread and in another web that many Chinese people claim that this mod that keep them playing DST 

im not sure . probably there is reason why klei didnt take action (?)
 

Actually it's just because there are so many players in CN, eh you know, the population. And the mod is very controversial in CN forums

[dish-order man]

25 minutes ago, prettynuggets said:

 i saw so much comments on another thread and in another web that many Chinese people claim that this mod that keep them playing DST

Well, this mod is “controversial” in CN community, because its fans and some of its authors  like to say Klei official stealing their ideas. Here are some of the screenshot of these words, noticing there is one screenshot of the author himself to say the mod is a DLC.

Spoiler

 Klei's image is a repeat offender of plagiarism in their mouth. surely they like the mod but they dont like the klei officail 

And the words I mentioned above cause some argument, here is the example: this is a thread for 600+ replies on arguing these words. 


You can check what I say in this link

[minespatch]

1 minute ago, dish-order man said:

What about @zarklord_klei???

[dish-order man]

2 minutes ago, minespatch said:

What about @zarklord_klei???

Actually, one of the last two comments is me. I went to this man and asked if he speak wrong words, but he ignored me.

[goblinball]

7 minutes ago, dish-order man said:

Well, this mod is “controversial” in CN community, because its fans and some of its authors  like to say Klei official stealing their ideas. Here are some of the screenshot of these words, noticing there is one screenshot of the author himself to say the mod is a DLC.

  Reveal hidden contents

 

Dear god, the laziest deserter... a weapon to surpass metal gear...

[NOOOBU]

15 minutes ago, minespatch said:

What about @zarklord_klei???

The pic shows the Author of Myth mod said"Wanda's portal though ground and cave which is stealing from other mod". but the truth is the earlist similar portal mod was made by Zark. So you can see this guy, the author of myth mod has some weird......cheating.

[Mantispidae]

While I agree its worthwhile to bring such concerns forward, when it comes to legality and also potentially stepping-in on infringements like this devs (and I can personally confirm Klei telling me similar when reporting a different issue, basically just "Thanks, I won't speak more on this for legal reasons") don't want to make their actions public. Another thread on a similar topic was likely closed without response so that it could be reviewed and responded too internally without drawing to much attention to both any corrective measures or the offending party.

This is, almost certainly an infringement of something, but I think the most that can be done is the removal of the mod from particular upload sources such as steam. Putting things like this under the right number of layers can make taking action difficult.

[NOOOBU]

3 minutes ago, Mantispidae said:

While I agree its worthwhile to bring such concerns forward, when it comes to legality and also potentially stepping-in on infringements like this devs (and I can personally confirm Klei telling me similar when reporting a different issue, basically just "Thanks, I won't speak more on this for legal reasons") don't want to make their actions public. Another thread on a similar topic was likely closed without response so that it could be reviewed and responded too internally without drawing to much attention to both any corrective measures or the offending party.

This is, almost certainly an infringement of something, but I think the most that can be done is the removal of the mod from particular upload sources such as steam. Putting things like this under the right number of layers can make taking action difficult.

So that's why I post this thread, if one modder can make huge money by their ingame purchase, so do I , or everyone. But the truth is no one did the work like myth team. It's totally unfair, right? So this problem should not ignored by Klei.

[Mantispidae]

Just now, NOOOBU said:

So that's why I post this thread, if one modder can make huge money by their ingame purchase, so do I , or everyone. But the truth is no one did the work like myth team. It's totally unfair, right? So this problem should not ignored by Klei.

Modders, in theory, should not be profiting from their mods directly- aka, ingame mod purchases, asking for funds to add features, etc- These are things that are basically 100% against the rules and not intended. There are some blurrier lines- for example someone whos a prolific modder might have a donations page linked somewhere for people to support their work. On the surface this seems very similar to ingame mod purchases, but is actually generally seen as something perfectly fine to do because you're donating to support the creator, and not the mod directly. This is the same reason why fangames made for things usually always make the game free, even if there is an option to "support the devs" 

But the problem im talking about is really about implementation- even when things are against the rules, actually enforcing them can be very difficult. The monetization of the mod in-game, if on platforms like steam, can easily result in it's removal. But that doesn't delete the mod from existence, and it would still be usable with some tech skill and a different download link. The money payment runs through a QR and chinese storefronts, and arguing that those are invalid (from a legal standpoint to get them taken down on those sites) is a lot harder. That's why I said putting such infringements behind the right number of layers can make doing anything about it difficult, even if Klei knows about it and wants to.
 

And because these things can be very messy, if Klei does take action they wouldn't announce the details of it unless they absolutely needed too.

[NOOOBU]

9 minutes ago, Mantispidae said:

Modders, in theory, should not be profiting from their mods directly- aka, ingame mod purchases, asking for funds to add features, etc- These are things that are basically 100% against the rules and not intended. There are some blurrier lines- for example someone whos a prolific modder might have a donations page linked somewhere for people to support their work. On the surface this seems very similar to ingame mod purchases, but is actually generally seen as something perfectly fine to do because you're donating to support the creator, and not the mod directly. This is the same reason why fangames made for things usually always make the game free, even if there is an option to "support the devs" 

But the problem im talking about is really about implementation- even when things are against the rules, actually enforcing them can be very difficult. The monetization of the mod in-game, if on platforms like steam, can easily result in it's removal. But that doesn't delete the mod from existence, and it would still be usable with some tech skill and a different download link. The money payment runs through a QR and chinese storefronts, and arguing that those are invalid (from a legal standpoint to get them taken down on those sites) is a lot harder. That's why I said putting such infringements behind the right number of layers can make doing anything about it difficult, even if Klei knows about it and wants to.
 

And because these things can be very messy, if Klei does take action they wouldn't announce the details of it unless they absolutely needed too.

I just want to make sure the attitude of Klei, if they clearly said"it is not right", so the CN players will know it's  wrong and do not pay for or support it no longer, and this infringement could be shut down by pubulic opinion.

The truth is few of CN player think it's unright and illegal, more and more consider it is just like OFFICIAL SKIN PURCHASE because of Klei ' s mute.

The attitude and claim from Klei is very crucial

[Handsome_Jack]

if klei removes this mod then for sure they will lose huge sales and even gain negative rep in china which their main sales

it would be funny to see them shoot their foot wwwwww