Tim S. Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 So I noticed that Woodie's Construction-Amulet quote was changed between the Base Game and DST, and that got me thinking.. "I've always been better at cuttin' anyways." - Woodie, exam. Construction Amulet (Base Game) "I get a bit of a weird feeling around these things." - Woodie, exam. Construction Amulet (DST) Also, while we're at it "An amalgam of vines given sentience by lunar magic, Wormwood searches for friends so he can finally belong." - Wormwood Character description "Err, moon magic isn't really... my thing... Heh." - Woodie, exam Moon Caller's Staff So Green Gems have something to do with lunar magic, right? I mean, it obviously came from the moon, we all saw that in Wormwoods trailer. But is it just Green Gems? "It's green, like a nice leaf." - Woodie, exam. Moon Shards That could imply that Green Gems are "concentrated" Moon Shards, so that's why just the Green Gems are moon-related. Then again, Red and Blue seem to originate from Moonglass too.. Bathbombing a Hot Spring can grant a Red or a Blue gem, as if the thermal energy somehow infused the Moonglass. We always seem to "find" Gems, instead of creating them, and Hot Spring as Gem-Source is kinda weak, so I think the Hot Spring-Gems might be have been added for lore-purposes. Hounds, Ancient Statues/Chests, Dragonfly, Graves and Tumbleweeds give no explanation about the origin of Gems. Stalagmites and Earthquake might imply however that they just can naturally occur inside the caves. Purple Gems are easy, as they're just Red and Blue gems magically combined. Iridescent Gems are obviously Moon related too, no need to think about them. With Orange and Yellow Gems, we face the same problem again, we only find them where somebody left them, giving us no clue about their origin. We do have the Murals depicting how they found the gems underground. But this only works if we assume that there is also a source of Green Gems on earth. Otherwise, the Green Gems fallen on earth from meteorites could've just been transported into the caves over the time through one way or another. Then there's no reason why Orange, Yellow or even Purple gems can't be from the Moon. We also see Ancients breaking up what appears to be a mountaintop/huge rock, finding Blue, Green and Yellow/Orange Gems inside. Also there's the picture of the Nightmare Fissure (?) with some Yellow Gems next to it. Could Yellow Gems originate from the Shadow Entity? We do have a shadow-equivalent to Moon Glass, but I can't imagine how these crystals could be "infused" or how they'd gain a clear hue like Yellow or Green Gems."Those crystals might be cause for some concern." - Wilson, exam. Nightmare Rampart "These crystalline structures do not appear to be natural." - Wickerbottom, exam. Nightmare Rampart If anything, these crystals look like the black spikes on the Thulecite Crown, the Thulecite Club and the Ancient Cane, almost as if these crystals are concentrated/crystallized Nightmare Fuel/shadow magic.. Which in turn might imply that Moon Shards are crystallized moon magic/moon water?? What's your input? Where could've Gems come from? PS: could this be the Opal that's missing in the Archives? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/130345-where-did-gems-come-from/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwikenobi Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 I don't think the green gems used for crafting construction staves/amulets are the same kind of green gem as the one in Wormwood's chest. They're very different shapes and shades of green. Regular green gem in-game. Wormwood's lunar gem from his animated short. Plus, Maxwell laments that he'll "never know what that gem does," when he examines Wormwood's ghost, suggesting it's not the same as the regular green gems, which he knows what they do. Wormwood's gem undeniably came from the moon, but I don't think the same can necessarily be said of the regular green gems. Maybe they did, but I don't think it's a hard fact, unless there's some other evidence that confirms it. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/130345-where-did-gems-come-from/#findComment-1464187 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wardin25 Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 Some characters quotes imply that purple gem has some knowledge inside of them, others that its evil and related to the shadows and wagstaff mentions it having the ability to "focus the dark fuel", which if its components can come from the moon makes it sort of weird Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/130345-where-did-gems-come-from/#findComment-1464194 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooagain Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 Alter, the End's Well and the Antlion are all things that create gems in game, so the moon isn't the only source of gems. Yellow gems might come from the sun because of the starcaller staff and the Forge key. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/130345-where-did-gems-come-from/#findComment-1464198 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TemporarySolutn Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 i think its fair to say that gems are a natural thing on the constant that just happen to have magical powers, like to an extent if you keep pushing how this how that you end up falling into a cycle where you are trying to prove impossible things of an impossible video game Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/130345-where-did-gems-come-from/#findComment-1464201 Share on other sites More sharing options...
minespatch Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Mooagain said: Antlion are all things that create gems in game This is the first time I've heard of this. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/130345-where-did-gems-come-from/#findComment-1464207 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowlVoid Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 I have a couple of theories but they're just that, theories. 1. They come from the moon but have been greatly depleted. This theory mostly comes as an explanation for Wormwood and why his gem is "lighter/brighter" in color. The gems in the ruins are those harvested from meteors that came from the moon but are very weak from being mostly used up, have weathered over the years, or have been in darkness away from the moons light for too long. I imagine moon stones are blank gems and the moon can no longer create colored one because its becoming weaker. 2. Gems are really mineral parasites from the moon/Them and are a way for them to siphon power. Either the moon or Them created the gems to offer power in exchange for sanity and it drains all who use it. The way Crab King was betrayed was because he was given a crown of gems which siphoned his power and drove him mad. 3. The gems are a natural occurrence with how moon stone interacts with light when it enters the constants orbit or another light based phenomena. More natural and less to do with the moon itself. When white light is separated it turns into the colors of the rainbow aka the color of the gems. The light of the moon is magical and it can be separated into different colors for different effects and that separation happens when the moon stone enters the constants atmosphere. Perhaps its the light of the sun and not the moon or another light based phenomena. The occurrence could also take hundreds of year and that is why we haven't seen any natural recent ones, because the ancients dug up all the "easy" ones. 4. The process occurs inside a monsters digestive system. When a boss monster eats... something... It is polished and slowly transformed into a gem or a potential gem. Antlion type creatures are the source of all orange gems and the ancients go to great lengths to process them and cut them into gems. Perhaps they are mining poop? I don't think dragonfly has the potential to make all gems though, it just hoards them like a dragon would. Edit: There's also a chance that the ancients offered gems to the moon and that is why Wormwood gem fell. Kinda how you fed the gnaw food to appease it. Wormwoods gem was super charged while on the moon which is why he came alive. The devs could also be making it up as they go along. Blue and red make purple but red and yellow can't be combined to make green. Iridescent gems (moon caller staff) are all colors (white) but don't have all effects. Although for Crab King it does have all effects. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/130345-where-did-gems-come-from/#findComment-1464208 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArubaroBeefalo Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 7 hours ago, kiwikenobi said: I don't think the green gems used for crafting construction staves/amulets are the same kind of green gem as the one in Wormwood's chest. They're very different shapes and shades of green. Regular green gem in-game. Wormwood's lunar gem from his animated short. Plus, Maxwell laments that he'll "never know what that gem does," when he examines Wormwood's ghost, suggesting it's not the same as the regular green gems, which he knows what they do. Wormwood's gem undeniably came from the moon, but I don't think the same can necessarily be said of the regular green gems. Maybe they did, but I don't think it's a hard fact, unless there's some other evidence that confirms it. gem irl dont have the same shape so isnt crazy to think that womrwoods gem is a greem gem just with other shape that the in game sprite (klei wouldnt make 4535432 sprites for each gem). We shouldnt take sprites as 100% accurate image of something, or do silk have that shape? in hot springs gems are produced (for some reason only blue and red) plus in the wormwood's trailer the gem falls from the moon so we can asume that gems came from the moon. That also explains the murals where we can see the ancients getting gems from the surface and bringing it underground when they migrated also, wormwoods quote is proof enough Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/130345-where-did-gems-come-from/#findComment-1464236 Share on other sites More sharing options...
W0l0l0 Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 I find it odd that yellow and red gems can create light using nightmare fuel. Maybe the sun and the nightmares made it as a project together? Or maybe it's the moon's way of discarding it for light. Really don't know. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/130345-where-did-gems-come-from/#findComment-1464241 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim S. Posted May 28, 2021 Author Share Posted May 28, 2021 8 hours ago, kiwikenobi said: Plus, Maxwell laments that he'll "never know what that gem does," when he examines Wormwood's ghost, suggesting it's not the same as the regular green gems, which he knows what they do. Excellent information, thank you! Have never heard of this Maxwell-Quote and was just going from Woodies quote. This complicates matters haha Still, what's up with Woodie's quote then? Seems like quite the specific, peculiar change.. 6 hours ago, TemporarySolutn said: [...] to an extent if you keep pushing how this how that you end up falling into a cycle where you are trying to prove impossible things of an impossible video game Yeah yeah yeah, of course it's just speculation and eagerly jumping to conclusions, but it's so fun! I mean, Klei is prone to hide subtle hints about the Constant and its lore throughout quotes and subtle design choices. Woodie's changed quote seems just as good as any lead to start speculating, whether it actually means anything or not. 5 hours ago, HowlVoid said: I have a couple of theories but they're just that, theories. Ah yes, I've read some of your theories and I really enjoyed them! Especially the light fragmentation-idea really resonated with me 58 minutes ago, ArubaroBeefalo said: also, wormwoods quote is proof enough I wish, but I think it ain't that easy indeed.. after all, Wormwoods sprite clearly shows a different hue of green. Maybe they changed the color for design purposes, since the leafs around his neck are roughly Green Gem, colored and they wanted the Gem to stand out? The Gem is differently colored in the login animation, which is weird too. Wormwood says the Gem "Looks familiar...", which doesn't necessarily mean that it's the same. for him, 'green sparkly' would surely look familiar to 'other green sparkly': Also Maxwell's quote really implies a difference between those Gems. Assuming of course that Maxwell knows what Green Gems do, but since he was the Nightmare King after all, I think that might be a given.. "What a shame. Now I'll never know what that gem does." - Maxwell, exam. Wormwood Ghost "Only the nightmare fuel will unlock its true potential." - Maxwell, exam. Green Gem Idk, maybe Woodie just gets a weird feeling around magic generally.. He doesn't "trust any sort of magic business", so that might be a banal explanation for his earlier mentioned quote. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/130345-where-did-gems-come-from/#findComment-1464254 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooagain Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 7 hours ago, minespatch said: This is the first time I've heard of this. The desert stones are orange gems, and the antlion produces them from nothing Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/130345-where-did-gems-come-from/#findComment-1464269 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArubaroBeefalo Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Tim S. said: Maybe the different colour is just because was other artist. Just look at woodie art and how it change. Would be weird for klei to make 2 gems with almost the same colour like if there werent more colours Another hint is that each wormwood skin has a different gem. He has skins with blue, yellow,orange... they arent cannon but is clear that they want to make an skin with each ingame gem so we can asume that green gem is wormwoods gem Is true that maxwell quote is weird but he might not know all the uses for gems so he just discover that can create life, not only objetcs Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/130345-where-did-gems-come-from/#findComment-1464274 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim S. Posted May 28, 2021 Author Share Posted May 28, 2021 27 minutes ago, Mooagain said: The desert stones are orange gems, and the antlion produces them from nothing "An impure orange gem." - Maxwell, exam. Desert Stone Certainly a great point, although we don't know whether and how "impure" Orange Gems can be purified. Maybe the Ancients could refine Desert Stones to Orange Gems, maybe the Desert Stones weren't "finished" yet and Antlion actually refines indigestible material after some time in his belly.. First into Desert Stones, after some time into Orange Gems. Sure could be, but as always, we lack enough information to come to any solid conclusions. 11 minutes ago, ArubaroBeefalo said: Maybe the different colour is just because was other artist. Just look at woodie art and how it change. Fair point, absolutely true. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/130345-where-did-gems-come-from/#findComment-1464276 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mooagain Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 1 minute ago, Tim S. said: Maybe the Ancients could refine Desert Stones to Orange Gems Maybe they used the dust moths for that? They seem to be good at refining magic rocks. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/130345-where-did-gems-come-from/#findComment-1464278 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassielu Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 My guess is that most gem just natural products, without any mysterious darkness forbidden origins. If you have to get something lore things, I think it may be the natural magical energy due to biological metabolism and other reasons condensed into gems. On ones hand, yellow gem can be extracted from the gallstone of the antlion. on the other hand, Maxwell injected the magic of the gem into the hound to create the red and bule hound, but when we kill these hounds, those magic revert back to gemstone form. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/130345-where-did-gems-come-from/#findComment-1464281 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrMcGillacactus Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 What if all gems react in different ways when influenced by nightmare fuel and whatever the moon produces? Wormwoods gem very well could be a green gem, just acting differently because it came with some of the moon's power Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/130345-where-did-gems-come-from/#findComment-1464302 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echsrick Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 gems are colorfull rocks that somehow have magic on them so the real question is where dit rocks came from? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/130345-where-did-gems-come-from/#findComment-1464305 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dextops Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 57 minutes ago, Dr.Medic said: gems are colorfull rocks that somehow have magic on them so the real question is where dit rocks came from? "is rock what you not get" Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/130345-where-did-gems-come-from/#findComment-1464313 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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