zenburu Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 On 1/6/2021 at 10:29 PM, aidancode said: Willow: her lighter has infinite durability and emits the same amount of light as the torch. Hm this would make her lighter too OP, making lantern totally useless considering that any character can use Willow's lighter. What about add a "dark" version of it: a lighter that lasts longer, emits more light, drains sanity while wielding (except to Willow) and can be refueled with nightmare fuel. Something like a portable Night Light. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125803-how-should-the-remaining-characters-get-reworks/page/2/#findComment-1414456 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karitha Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125803-how-should-the-remaining-characters-get-reworks/page/2/#findComment-1414540 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheggf Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 12 hours ago, LinknAllie said: Wortox is overpowered and I would like to see him nerfed. 20 health per soul and you can get an entire stack with butterflies in under a minute. But that that teleporting across the map thing just doesn't really change anything. He can just teleport to cave entrances and other places to farm souls instead of planting a bunch of flowers for butterflies. Yeah man getting a few items that gives 20 health is pretty overpowered. Good thing there's nothing else that gives 20hp while also being much easier to amass. If there were I wonder what it'd be called? Maybe like blue heads or oven-roasted potatoes or somethin'. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125803-how-should-the-remaining-characters-get-reworks/page/2/#findComment-1414549 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArubaroBeefalo Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 9 hours ago, Mysterious box said: As far as willow is concerned I'd like it if Bernie could come out earlier in her sanity even if that means she goes insane earlier maybe even a ability to prevent herself from becoming sane. My biggest issue with the current willow is her lack of control over bernie it's very easy for him to drop out of a fight when you need him well he does atleast do what he was designed to fight shadows well. What about having in the inventory a nightmere amulet to be insane on demand? That could work if bone helmet isnt avaraible Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125803-how-should-the-remaining-characters-get-reworks/page/2/#findComment-1414555 Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacknight7890 Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 Personally, I would do things as follows Wx-78: Instead of using straight gears to upgrade all your stats and nothing else, he could use them to craft special upgrade modules that can be swapped in and out somehow, some may just give basic stat increases, but others could do more interesting things, like upping his defense or attack, increase his speed, give him night vision, maybe laser eyes. The possibilities are endless. Also wetness does scaling damage, more damage the higher your wetness, so full wetness will probably kill you, maybe some extra stuff too but I think that's fine. Webber: buffing his spiders somehow and having tamed spiders not eat things straight of the ground, maybe webber has some sort of binding attack using silk. Rideable spiderqueens, or at least tameable ones. Maybe some cool silk crafts. Wolfgang: keep the damage multiplier as is with the double damage, just move it off hunger and onto a new stat called something like "strength" or "mightiness". You can raise it by working out with dumbbells and can slow its drain down by doing physical activities like chopping, fighting, and mining, it wont raise it, but it lowers slower. Using dumbells actively drains hunger like a tent would to raise the stat, this is in addition to the passive hunger drain that the mightiness forms already have. Also when mighty you can lift heavy things easier, letting you move much faster, it's a good workout, probably would give some mightiness. This way it dosent actualy "nerf" him, technically, just changes him ever so slightly so you need to do a bit of work for your x2 damage and cant just stuff your face. Wickerbottom: no clue. But I do like what they did to horticulture. Maxwell: more shadow magic. maybe he has wickerbottoms perk of knowing tier one science, but its tier one magic instead, might be op though, maybe not the revival ones. Wilson: can craft blueprints? Wes: uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, balloon? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125803-how-should-the-remaining-characters-get-reworks/page/2/#findComment-1414597 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuma Arcl Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 20 hours ago, Blue Moth said: I It makes sense, because his horns would get in the way Poor Wormwood then. But no, it would kill the character. Wortox has two of the worst downsides: problems with sanity and problems with food. His heal and hunger through souls is one way to help him with that. The teleportation makes no sense, but it's an unique mechanic. They should keep it. We mostly survive by eating souls and killing butterflies, but shadow creatures are a daily reality for the first year. I'd say Wortox is not an easy character, and in the hands of the few who know how to play as him, he's OP. He's high reward for high experience. As for the rest (majority), they just have a hard time (and that's the focus here). If people want to nerf Wortox, the best way would be making him unable to eat his souls. Makes no sense since he's the devourer... But it'd give him a hard time (even more) And it's not like Wortox is popular. He's like bottom 5 (with Wes and Warly Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125803-how-should-the-remaining-characters-get-reworks/page/2/#findComment-1414610 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowDuelist Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Yuma Arcl said: And it's not like Wortox is popular. He's like bottom 5 (with Wes and Warly Wortox is quite popular, specially with new players, just not everyone has him and that is what makes him score low in usage compared to the free characters. If he was free I’m sure he’d be top 5, he is super OP. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125803-how-should-the-remaining-characters-get-reworks/page/2/#findComment-1414620 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crestwave Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 7 hours ago, ArubaroBeefalo said: What about having in the inventory a nightmere amulet to be insane on demand? That could work if bone helmet isnt avaraible That kinda works—indeed, I used to use it back when I was new to Willow. But it's annoying because: 1. It spawns more shadows (bone helmet is even worse in this regard) 2. It takes up your chest slot (I personally use mag/bone armor—after all, what else are you supposed to do with all the nightmare fuel?) 3. It doesn't last very long Personally, I use glommer goop. It's very effective and also has amazing healing (equal to Dragonpie) as a side effect, allowing me to tank a ton of stuff. Extremely powerful for Willow. Regarding GP's comment on the lack of control, another aspect of it is that you need to be sane to pick Bernie up. Sanity manipulation is very important for Willow. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125803-how-should-the-remaining-characters-get-reworks/page/2/#findComment-1414624 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlZalph Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 31 minutes ago, ShadowDuelist said: Wortox is quite popular, specially with new players, just not everyone has him and that is what makes him score low in usage compared to the free characters. If he was free I’m sure he’d be top 5, he is super OP. Some pickrate numbers from Dec 24, 2020 @ 12:34PM EST: Spoiler I play as Wortox for most of my time, sometimes Woodie. I wouldn't say he's OP but he is a good converter on food resources. Instead of getting some healing food items can have him around to negate that aspect, and the payment is that he'll sometimes suck up 2x more food if souls are lacking. Them meaty stews. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125803-how-should-the-remaining-characters-get-reworks/page/2/#findComment-1414628 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viktor234 Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 21 minutes ago, CarlZalph said: and the payment is that he'll sometimes suck up 2x more food if souls are lacking. Them meaty stews. That's not a problem anymore since the RWYS update, because Klei introduced a food source which grants you an unlimited amount of food. Unlike Berries etc. which grant you food over time (unless you have a Wickerbottom who uses her book on them), the new farms allow you to plant as many crops as you want to (and keep them longer fresh if you get big crops), negating any kind of food penalty. With the new update I'm literally able to play non-stop as mighty Wolfgang in a public server only by relying on the crops I'm farming on my own. While Wortox gains 37.5% less hunger from roasted potatoes compared to Wolfgang, he also looses 33% less hunger than a mighty Wolfgang, so managing Wortox's hunger only with the help of farms shouldn't be a problem either. His healing on the other hand got indirectly nerfed aswell since it's now easier to grow crops which restore 20 health per crop. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125803-how-should-the-remaining-characters-get-reworks/page/2/#findComment-1414634 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArubaroBeefalo Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 5 minutes ago, Viktor234 said: While Wortox gains 37.5% less hunger from roasted potatoes compared to Wolfgang isnt 50% less hunger plus the 15 hunger bonus for being wolfgang's favourite food? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125803-how-should-the-remaining-characters-get-reworks/page/2/#findComment-1414635 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gi-Go Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 18 hours ago, stranger again said: well we still value your opinions and ideas Dude, you are too nice. You straight up lie to people for the sake of fake kindness. It's weird, stop it. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125803-how-should-the-remaining-characters-get-reworks/page/2/#findComment-1414654 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheggf Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Viktor234 said: That's not a problem anymore since the RWYS update, because Klei introduced a food source which grants you an unlimited amount of food. There's been bunnymen, pigs, stone fruit, kelp, spiders, berry bushes, lureplants, barnacles, lichen, and plenty more going as far back as 8 years. There has always been an infinite amount of food in this game, especially with DST drastically increasing the amount of wild resources. 1 hour ago, Viktor234 said: Unlike Berries etc. which grant you food over time (unless you have a Wickerbottom who uses her book on them), the new farms allow you to plant as many crops as you want to (and keep them longer fresh if you get big crops), negating any kind of food penalty. But you can plant as many berries, bunnymen, spiders, pigs and anything else as you want. And needing to tend to your crops over and over again so that they become giant and take 9 days to rot instead of needing to do nothing so that they never rot like every single other food source isn't really the improvement you're acting like it is. 1 hour ago, Viktor234 said: With the new update I'm literally able to play non-stop as mighty Wolfgang in a public server only by relying on the crops I'm farming on my own. Before RWYS I was literally able to play non-stop as mighty Wolfgang in a public server only by relying on koalephant hunts and wild berries. I was also able to literally play non-stop as mighty Wolfgang in public servers using only bunnymen. And only monster meat. It's really not that hard to be permanently mighty. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125803-how-should-the-remaining-characters-get-reworks/page/2/#findComment-1414660 Share on other sites More sharing options...
viberr Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 12 minutes ago, Gi-Go said: Dude, you are too nice. You straight up lie to people for the sake of fake kindness. It's weird, stop it. but im not lying tho? you should always value everyones opinions and ideas and also you aren't the boss of me.am i breaking some rule on the klei forums by being nice?i already know the answer so i don't care Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125803-how-should-the-remaining-characters-get-reworks/page/2/#findComment-1414661 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuma Arcl Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 2 hours ago, ShadowDuelist said: Wortox is quite popular (...) I mean, he gets people's attention because of his mechanics (which are very fun). But people do not keep playing as him because he's not an easy character and has bad "surviving" aspects. I've already talked about pick rate here in a post about Warly. Also, i agree his pick rate would be bigger if he was free. But not top 5, that's too high. Remember, we should give opinions NOT based on us, because we are experienced players. But based on everyone (most unexperienced). 2 hours ago, CarlZalph said: Some pickrate numbers from Dec 24, 2020 @ 12:34PM EST: Yep, he's always been bottom 5 with Wurt and Warly, three of the hardest characters to play as (also because they're paid - except Warly). 1 hour ago, Viktor234 said: That's not a problem anymore since the RWYS update(...) Even with RWYS update, it's not worth making food for Wortox. He benefits way more from eating souls! If you're playing solo, you'd waste too much time planting and tending and using compost to get 2:1 crop:seed ratio - mininum - (remember, Wortox must eat DOUBLE). When playing as a team, you shouldn't eat your teammates food (only if there's to spare). Go hunting and eat souls. Not saying it's wrong, but it's not time efficient. Unless you get lucky with those fruit bushes that drop 3 fruits. Plant them near your base and you have a lot of fruits to eat. But mostly your diary will be butterfly wings and souls. 1 hour ago, ArubaroBeefalo said: isnt 50% less hunger plus the 15 hunger bonus for being wolfgang's favourite food? Yep. Wortox gets half nourishment (health, sanity and hunger). 13 minutes ago, Cheggf said: There's been bunnymen(...) It's so sad setting a bunny / pig farm as Wortox. Oh well Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125803-how-should-the-remaining-characters-get-reworks/page/2/#findComment-1414664 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheggf Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 5 minutes ago, Yuma Arcl said: It's so sad setting a bunny / pig farm as Wortox. Oh well Yeah, exactly. He's got the racism downside which is one of the most annoying downsides in the game. It makes it a lot harder to get pigskin without relying on a teammate or more complicated methods of acquiring it. And he only gets half benefit from food. In exchange for being able to easily heal and teleport around. Healing is already easy because of bluecaps, pierogis, potatoes, butterflies, trail mix, flower salad, honey ham, and plenty more, and the teleporting is more of a niche thing since it doesn't really make you go any faster unless you're crossing impassable terrain. He's definitely a good character, in some situations even a great character, but far from overpowered. A lot of fun to play, though. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125803-how-should-the-remaining-characters-get-reworks/page/2/#findComment-1414666 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hornete Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 41 minutes ago, Gi-Go said: Dude, you are too nice. You straight up lie to people for the sake of fake kindness. It's weird, stop it. What's.... wrong with you dude?.... I appreciate the person's kindness personally and I think many others do too. Dont try to bring others down. Even if it was for some reason fake kindness, who the hell cares? It's better than any kind of hate/mean words. @stranger again You keep doing you man, it's a fresh breath of air to see someone so kind and welcoming on the forums. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125803-how-should-the-remaining-characters-get-reworks/page/2/#findComment-1414671 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArubaroBeefalo Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 not kindness allowed Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125803-how-should-the-remaining-characters-get-reworks/page/2/#findComment-1414673 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuma Arcl Posted January 8, 2021 Share Posted January 8, 2021 2 hours ago, Cheggf said: Yeah, exactly. He's got the racism Wortox is practicaly a SAINT. He should be buffed because he suffers with racism, bad nourishment from food (maye he's sick) and goes insane easily (weak mental health?) PLZ KLEI BUFF WORTIX U NO BAD COMPENY U GUD SJW Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125803-how-should-the-remaining-characters-get-reworks/page/2/#findComment-1414745 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Souper Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 12 hours ago, ShadowDuelist said: Wortox is quite popular, specially with new players, just not everyone has him and that is what makes him score low in usage compared to the free characters. If he was free I’m sure he’d be top 5, he is super OP. I don't know where you're getting the idea that Wortox is popular. Strong for sure. But certainly not popular. He's nearly in the bottom 5. Pick rates (Source): Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125803-how-should-the-remaining-characters-get-reworks/page/2/#findComment-1414913 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArubaroBeefalo Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 14 minutes ago, Souper said: I don't know where you're getting the idea that Wortox is popular. Strong for sure. But certainly not popular. He's nearly in the bottom 5. Pick rates (Source): more popular than some free characters Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125803-how-should-the-remaining-characters-get-reworks/page/2/#findComment-1414918 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Souper Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 Just now, ArubaroBeefalo said: more popular than some free characters I just wish wurt was good for something Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125803-how-should-the-remaining-characters-get-reworks/page/2/#findComment-1414919 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArubaroBeefalo Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 1 minute ago, Souper said: I just wish wurt was good for something for many things but not everyone can see it Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125803-how-should-the-remaining-characters-get-reworks/page/2/#findComment-1414920 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Souper Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 1 minute ago, ArubaroBeefalo said: for many things but not everyone can see it *doesn't list a single thing* Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125803-how-should-the-remaining-characters-get-reworks/page/2/#findComment-1414921 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArubaroBeefalo Posted January 9, 2021 Share Posted January 9, 2021 10 hours ago, Souper said: *doesn't list a single thing* I didnt list anything because i dont get the free atack but okay, here we go: - cheap speed boost turf. No need to craft expensive cobblestone to enjoy increased speed - best workers and very good fighters (that respawn after half day) on the entire game and cheap to hire (they obey you even with seeds or honey) so you can gather resources quickly, for low prize without needing to wait for bearger or to kill fw to control reanimated skeletons. They are cheap to build if you dont take in count lame strategies like destroying all the bunny villages to get warriors for free and anyways, these bunnies will not help you mining and chopping (ideal for wood, stonefruit and marble) - stats boost for low prize kinda good for bosses that you know you will tank or lose many sanity - can survive summer with just 2 ice fishes and winter with 2 scorch fishes without need to stop to recharge thermal stones or having to wear clothes making you need less items in your inventory to survive since the fishes last for so long. Also in spring you dont need to bring eyebrella which is so useful for killing bosses in spring - unique estructures ideal for base building - cool but not annoying downside that, with the new update, she doesnt need to waste time cooking to cover health and hunger Is way more fun than wendy and wigfrid since she hasnt got a faceroll gameplay but that and being a dlc character makes her less popular. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/125803-how-should-the-remaining-characters-get-reworks/page/2/#findComment-1414929 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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