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Mike23Ua    3,020

Overpowered.. needed Nerf, Glad it’s fixed.

Jokes aside- Running around on low Health was something meant for a harder character choice... something that made Wendy go from Easy to Play to Low Health Hard Character.

Not a good change. She’s supposed to feel comfortable in the Dark, Which is why Abigail deals more damage to protect her in dark.. this is easier to manage then being below 10 Hp constantly and keeps her in line as an easier character choice.

Its like saying Wes should have his own Abigail Flower to kill things for him.. it takes a character that’s supposed to have trouble staying alive, and makes him easy mode.

Whenever I discuss Wes ideas I NEVER say make him a lot Easier to play... He should still have trouble staying alive.. and that’s part of who Wes is.. To make him have Abigail powers would be to change the characters entire identity.

And as they have shown with Wormwood & Warly Characters can be fleshed out and be made fun to play as.. while still being challenging.

This thread isn’t about Wes though (although at this point I’ve come to the conclusion he will be Klei’s most controversial Refresh..)

My point is that they know what they’re doing, they know how to make a character feel new and refreshed, but without stripping them of their entire identity of what we expect them to be.

in the end result though- Everything is entirely up to Klei.. and what they want to do with their Characters.

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Booklover    375

Although now iirc Wendy deals 1.55x more damage to enemies attacked by Abigail so technically if we take away Wendy's 25% less damage, we will get a boost of 30%. Wendy has now ascended over Wigfrid ladies and gentlemen.

So technically they did buff Wendy's ability to kill bosses and this works even better with allies because they too get a 1.1x boost to their damage against the boss.

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Mike23Ua    3,020
15 minutes ago, Ogrecakes said:

I don't understand why people want characters to have no flaws, and be way too strong.

Characters like original Woodie and Wormwood, and Maxwell are great partly BECAUSE of their major flaws, when you take a character like Wendy who is worse off in boss combat but makes up for it with being really proficient with smaller mob combat/group encounters, and then give her and abby the ability to fight bosses better than the average character, you are taking away the limitations that requires one to modify their play style, and get some unique value out of a character.

 

Wormwood without the "no health from foods" downside would obviously be "better" from a power stance, but he would be a lot less fun to play.

Ultimately the game world itself and the server settings you apply should be the most challenging part of the game, not the character you choose.

Just because you see characters Downsides disappearing doesn’t mean that they are making the game any Easier.

For all We know they could be Deep into the finishing touches of creating a Totally Uncompromising Mode for DST.. 

I personally don’t see anything at all that’s challenging about Wurt, she’s got way too much good perks and her only downside is “Is a Vegetarian” I brought that up the day Wurt was released- It is now a few days from April now and no changes have been made to give Wurt any harsher downsides.

My conclusion? Klei designs this game with its FUTURE in Mind, so yeah to me and you maybe We don’t see any downsides for Woodie, Wurt & Wendy- Hell Wes May not even have downsides when they’re done with him.

For all we know this could be a trend where they start phasing out Downsides almost altogether and instead focus on making the game world itself plenty challenging enough all on its very own.

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Dont mistake me guys :? as per the title of this forum I'm addressing the DST community not klei directly. I've been a great fan of Klei for a long time. Not only do I trust their judgement but I also respect their game and how they make changes in ways I never see coming. 

I'm not annoyed at all that glass cannon Wendy was removed if that's Klei's will so be it. I just wanted to address how quickly it happened and I feel the toxicity from the community might have been a huge factor in this. Especially when Klei wrote along the lines of "we appreciate our passionate fans dissecting everything we do" there is a lot going on in the world atm. So I think we just need to be patient with what we got and fully explore the new possibilities this rework has given us before everyone starts complaining. I personally felt I found out a lot in 1 week if the community spend more time exploring the possibilities of glass cannon Wendy we probably could have discovered a lot more stuff we could do. 

So as I said before "So please guys be patient with this refresh, be creative, try stress testing it and after some time you can deliver really detailed feedback and we'll be closer to perfecting our dear beloved sisters!"  :D this is addressed to the DST community not Klei I'm sure they have their own plans in mind that'll blow us away ;)

And Haha yes more than likely this whole event will repeat itself if a wes refresh does indeed come out. 

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Mike23Ua    3,020
2 minutes ago, Booklover said:

Bruh please stop referencing your past posts that have gone horribly wrong to the point where most of the community basically ganged up on you.

Meh, say what you want.. That’s your opinion and your totally entitled to it. I don’t feel “Ganged up on” at all though so I’ve no idea where you even got that from.

I reference past posts because a lot of times I forget that I’ve already said something similar to that, That’s usually why a episodic TV series will show past clips of something that’s happened on previous episodes, BECAUSE you will forget it.

But anyways... There’s always going to be people who like something, and then other people who don’t like it.

Thats the Internet, and people are entitled to have their own opinions. Klei will likely even be hearing a lot more praise/complaints from more and more fans of their games, due to more people being at home and playing games due to Covid-19

I don’t know what life is like for you guys where your living but over here- School has been straight up cancelled all the way up until September.

Where will those kids and teens go during all that time? Playing video games, and talking about stuff on the Internet and spending ALOT more time At home.

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Sweaper    379
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2 hours ago, Booklover said:

Although now iirc Wendy deals 1.55x more damage to enemies attacked by Abigail so technically if we take away Wendy's 25% less damage, we will get a boost of 30%. Wendy has now ascended over Wigfrid ladies and gentlemen.

So technically they did buff Wendy's ability to kill bosses and this works even better with allies because they too get a 1.1x boost to their damage against the boss.

If that's correct then either they should buff Wigfrid later or tweak Wendy now.

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2 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

I personally don’t see anything at all that’s challenging about Wurt

On 1/5/2020 at 1:53 AM, Mike23Ua said:

If you join a server in Mid-Winter as Wurt you fully deserve to die..

Let that sink in. Source:

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Booklover    375
2 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

I don’t feel “Ganged up on” at all though so I’ve no idea where you even got that from.

Well while you don't feel "ganged up on", it sure looks that way. Everytime you send something like "Wurt too good, pls nerf" it instantly gets shot down by everyone.

Like, you literally said that "I don't see how having no downsides makes the game easier" and then the second paragraph after that you stated that "Wurt isn't challenging because she has way too many good perks and only 1 downside", requesting for worse downsides on her.

3 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

Just because you see characters Downsides disappearing doesn’t mean that they are making the game any Easier.

 

3 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

I personally don’t see anything at all that’s challenging about Wurt, she’s got way too much good perks and her only downside is “Is a Vegetarian” I brought that up the day Wurt was released- It is now a few days from April now and no changes have been made to give Wurt any harsher downsides.

Idk man, seems "fishy" to me.

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Mike23Ua    3,020
56 minutes ago, Sweaper said:

If that's correct then either they should buff Wigfrid later or tweak Wendy now.

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Let that sink in. Source:

I stand by that too, if you join a server mid winter as ANYONE not just Wurt... you fully deserve to die.

in Fact I flat out LOCK My Servers with a Password during Summer and play through the Entire Season ALONE- Play on an Xbox and guarantee you will instantly understand why.

People will either Unknowingly... or Intentionally out of Meanness Let Wildfires spread. Defiantly NOT a Season you want to invite random noobs into.

Wendys Rework is better now because the low HP thing encouraged you to sit on the Sidelines watching Abigail fight while you were within maybe 10 hp from dying to having a FLINT land on your head.

Now with the 2 Second damage boost petals it encourages you to fight alongside Abigail which is Overall the intention.

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minespatch    67,795
2 hours ago, Owlrus98 said:

People forget that the intensity of their criticism can influence a change in development.

It's why I rather wait and see rather than poke the devs.

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GetRektKids    1,005
3 hours ago, Booklover said:

Bruh please stop referencing your past posts that have gone horribly wrong to the point where most of the community basically ganged up on you.

Wow.....

Someone defended themselves! What a harsh concept to grasp!

1 hour ago, Booklover said:

Well while you don't feel "ganged up on", it sure looks that way. Everytime you send something like "Wurt too good, pls nerf" it instantly gets shot down by everyone.

Like, you literally said that "I don't see how having no downsides makes the game easier" and then the second paragraph after that you stated that "Wurt isn't challenging because she has way too many good perks and only 1 downside", requesting for worse downsides on her.

 

Idk man, seems "fishy" to me.

I'm actually on Mike's side on this one you are being annoying. If you have a problem PM him. Don't clog the forums and cal out Mike. Chill out.

56 minutes ago, FuffledBeeQueen said:

Finally someone else speaking the truth

Agreed! I want a hard-mode for DST REALLY bad. 

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Mr. Despair    148
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5 hours ago, Ogrecakes said:

I don't understand why people want characters to have no flaws, and be way too strong.

Characters like original Woodie and Wormwood, and Maxwell are great partly BECAUSE of their major flaws, when you take a character like Wendy who is worse off in boss combat but makes up for it with being really proficient with smaller mob combat/group encounters, and then give her and abby the ability to fight bosses better than the average character, you are taking away the limitations that requires one to modify their play style, and get some unique value out of a character.

 

Wormwood without the "no health from foods" downside would obviously be "better" from a power stance, but he would be a lot less fun to play.

The thing is: low dmg multiplier is probably the most tedious downside in the game since it means wasting more time and resources while being good againts hordes of bees/spider is not very impressive since they're already fast, easy to kill and their loot stops being important very fast.

Wormwood can balance his not-health-thing by using poop or other stuff, they're abundant + having the upside of being able to plant seeds in the ground (which is more unique and useful than killing spiders a bit faster) while there weren't too many ways to make up for Wendy's multiplier before (I still think that this is the case tho)

You will really miss Wortox's hopping or Woormwood's farms after picking other character but i don't really miss Abigail since there are a lot of ways to farms what is supposed to be her specialitty (And personally, Webber's civil wars or just one-hitting a spider as Wolfgang is more fun).

And i agree about the old rework being better, In every site i have seen (YT, Reddit, here..) people were just asking for them to increase the numbers and not going to the old damage system. I really doubt that they did it for complaints here.

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GetNerfedOn    4,443
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1 hour ago, GetRektKids said:

Wow.....

Someone defended themselves! What a harsh concept to grasp!

I'm actually on Mike's side on this one you are being annoying. If you have a problem PM him. Don't clog the forums and cal out Mike. Chill out.

Agreeing with someone does not give you the license to aggressively post demeaning, potentially insulting statements towards people who disagree.

While I agree that @Booklover may have not given the best of responses to Mike, either, I suggest that you practice what you preach as well. If you have a problem with him, PM him. Don't clog the forums and call out Booklover. Chill out.

Furthermore, this does not take away the fact that Mike's posts are, again, off-topic and clog the thread. I wouldn't be opposed to him making his own threads to discuss there instead of flooding the rest of the threads with off-topic stuff.

Lastly, I believe everyone - myself included - has done enough calling out behaviour. This shall be my final post regarding this matter, and if anyone still wishes to bring this up with me they can do so in DMs. Let us not derail this thread further.

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Minitte    43

Yea i think the changes were a bit too quick but majority of players seemed to need it. Below 50% hp is kinda uncomfortable for most players i guess.

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Mike23Ua    3,020
13 minutes ago, Minitte said:

Yea i think the changes were a bit too quick but majority of players seemed to need it. Below 50% hp is kinda uncomfortable for most players i guess.

It’s just not a feature Befitting to Wendy...

honestly it seems more like Wigfrid feature than a Wendy One... Wigfrids Method acting that she is a Viking Warrior.. we ALL Know in Viking Lore they don’t go down without a fight.

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fimmatek    3,900
6 hours ago, Booklover said:

Although now iirc Wendy deals 1.55x more damage to enemies attacked by Abigail so technically if we take away Wendy's 25% less damage, we will get a boost of 30%. Wendy has now ascended over Wigfrid ladies and gentlemen.

So technically they did buff Wendy's ability to kill bosses and this works even better with allies because they too get a 1.1x boost to their damage against the boss.

3 hours ago, Sweaper said:

If that's correct then either they should buff Wigfrid later or tweak Wendy now.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but those percentages aren't additive, but multiplicative (not sure if I'm using the correct terminology here). What I mean is that +55% and -25% damage isn't added, resulting in +30% damage, but is multiplied, resulting in [1,55*0,75=1,1625] roughly +16% damage. Which is clearly less than Wigfrid's 25% bonus, but a nice improvement, especially for a character with strength lower than the average.

 

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