abud Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 1st Attempt Spoiler Automation 2nd Attempt Automation Spoiler Big thanks to @nakomaru for software suggestion that made this post possible. Without it, hard to explain whether this airlock will work or not. Forgot to mention that 2nd attempt was an implementation of ideas from @Yunru and @DemainaNyx. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/109379-airlock-with-water-but-not-waterlock/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yunru Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 But it doesn't stop the gas from flowing through with the dupe? Unless you set it up to drown the silly thing too, but then you need more checkpoints and a wider lock. Currently you've: A - Dupe enters B - Dupe leaves C - Room is vacuumed What you need is: A, C, B, C Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/109379-airlock-with-water-but-not-waterlock/#findComment-1232309 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giltirn Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 Very clever! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/109379-airlock-with-water-but-not-waterlock/#findComment-1232311 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xentios Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 I don't understand would not this let right side gas to pass on left side? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/109379-airlock-with-water-but-not-waterlock/#findComment-1232313 Share on other sites More sharing options...
abud Posted July 25, 2019 Author Share Posted July 25, 2019 6 minutes ago, Yunru said: But it doesn't stop the gas from flowing through with the dupe? Yup, it is 6 minutes ago, Yunru said: What you need is What I want to do is just instigate better ideas 6 minutes ago, Xentios said: I don't understand would not this let right side gas to pass on left side? Yes, it only protects one side. One outside, one inside. Real-world airlock too, gas inside has to go somewhere. Either left or right. Except if I'm going with real-life concept. it will drowning dupes inside. Just like @Yunru said. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/109379-airlock-with-water-but-not-waterlock/#findComment-1232329 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yunru Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 1 minute ago, abud said: What I want to do is just instigate better ideas Well it's given me enough of an idea that I'm on ONI despite the heat. And the heat induced headache. And the heat induced drowzee. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/109379-airlock-with-water-but-not-waterlock/#findComment-1232333 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemainaNyx Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 Am I the only one who uses carbon dioxide locks to access two rooms with different gasses that I don't want mixed? On topic though, If you want to make it slightly better, you could have a filter system above. Use a door pump to push the gas to a pump that vacuums up the gas and sends it back to the correct room, but that would take more time and power so depends on how vital that is to you. Nice design though. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/109379-airlock-with-water-but-not-waterlock/#findComment-1232349 Share on other sites More sharing options...
abud Posted July 25, 2019 Author Share Posted July 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, DemainaNyx said: Use a door pump to push the gas to a pump that vacuums up the gas and sends it back to the correct room It would defeat the purpose of using water in the first place. Just pump it directly if we want to use the pump. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/109379-airlock-with-water-but-not-waterlock/#findComment-1232357 Share on other sites More sharing options...
goatt Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 for airlock, I assume there is one side needs to be sealed. Since gas will always gets extracted to the left side of the lock thru ceiling, gas bright into doors from the right side will also gets vented out. If rightside gas needs to be sealed and protected, then this will cause gas leak. If left side is the protected side, then gas from the right side will mix into the left side. It looks to me that as least one side will have gas leak, unless one side is vacuum, or unless gas leak is not an issue. 31 minutes ago, DemainaNyx said: carbon dioxide locks I haven't used CO2 locks a lot. Because I worry that CO2 overfill the bottom and get lost when pressure is low, then it gets compressed when pressure is high, leaving a little space for other gas to go thru. I'm not sure if that's what really happens or just my paranoid. Does it happen? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/109379-airlock-with-water-but-not-waterlock/#findComment-1232389 Share on other sites More sharing options...
abud Posted July 25, 2019 Author Share Posted July 25, 2019 Hmm, after I think about it, probably I will try to put @Yunru and @DemainaNyx idea together later. Might be seeds for another ideas. But for now, I need to figure out how to edit animated gif 13 minutes ago, goatt said: [snip] ... Does it happen? Yes, but only if it drops very low on any side. So we cannot make CO2 lock works with a vacuum. Everything has limitations, as long we use it under those limitations, it is good practice. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/109379-airlock-with-water-but-not-waterlock/#findComment-1232414 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemainaNyx Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 13 minutes ago, goatt said: I'm not sure if that's what really happens or just my paranoid. Does it happen? I've never seen it happen, but I also use it to separate fairly consistent gas pressure rooms like oxygen filled ladder corridor from a drecko farm. I have a consistent 2k+ oxygen outside and a consistent 2k hydrogen inside so it never moves. That or I use it to separate my base from the outside area, so if a little carbon dioxide leaks, it just gets cleaned up by a carbon scrubber or sinks closer to the oil biome 47 minutes ago, abud said: It would defeat the purpose of using water in the first place. Just pump it directly if we want to use the pump. I just know that pumps take a while to vacuum an area, whereas water and doors can push 10kg of gas quite nicely, so by pushing that gas out of that small area to a pump, it can take however long it needs to vacuum out without stopping the next dupe for too long. Dupe would still need to wait for the water to fill and leave, but that's it. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/109379-airlock-with-water-but-not-waterlock/#findComment-1232422 Share on other sites More sharing options...
beowulf2010 Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 5 minutes ago, abud said: Yes, but only if it drops very low on any side. So we cannot make CO2 lock works with a vacuum. Everything has limitations, as long we use it under those limitations, it is good practice. You probably know, but I'd like to remind people we can make hydrogen locks as well. They're a bit slower than water/CO2 locks in terms of travel as they seem to need to be a block taller with a ladder segment, or at least they did last time I used them a few months ago. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/109379-airlock-with-water-but-not-waterlock/#findComment-1232423 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasza22 Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 I wanted to make something like this. But i thought about checkpoints inside and those don`t work when flooded so the whole design failed. That`s a nice compact version though. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/109379-airlock-with-water-but-not-waterlock/#findComment-1232449 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathmanican Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 @Yunru and @abud, the new gas fix has slowed the speed at which gasses enter vacuum tiles. This might be useable in new airlock designs. Figured I'd just throw that 2cents in. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/109379-airlock-with-water-but-not-waterlock/#findComment-1232469 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yunru Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 Yeah, I (was) currently working on something that amounted to door; minipump; door; minipump; door; ... that could make use of it. Of course, I keep trying to overachieve and make them suitless-friendly, which makes everything... longer. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/109379-airlock-with-water-but-not-waterlock/#findComment-1232473 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickerooni Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 This is my most favorite airlock idea I’ve ever seen. With only a bit of extra effort, it could be double-side friendly - make a 3rd chamber for the gas that is expelled. With only a bit of effort, it be a good insulator - since the middle door is a vacuum gap. Nice work! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/109379-airlock-with-water-but-not-waterlock/#findComment-1232474 Share on other sites More sharing options...
abud Posted July 26, 2019 Author Share Posted July 26, 2019 Die Camille, dieeee Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/109379-airlock-with-water-but-not-waterlock/#findComment-1232883 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasza22 Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 So i was wrong. Checkpoints do work under water. I should, have tried making this thing then. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/109379-airlock-with-water-but-not-waterlock/#findComment-1233451 Share on other sites More sharing options...
abud Posted July 26, 2019 Author Share Posted July 26, 2019 10 minutes ago, Sasza22 said: So i was wrong. Checkpoints do work under water. When I read your comment about the flooded checkpoint I didn't believe, I was intent to test it and mention it to you. But I forgot because after testing I'm too excited making Camille drown inside, forgive me. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/109379-airlock-with-water-but-not-waterlock/#findComment-1233463 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathmanican Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 3 minutes ago, abud said: I'm too excited making Camille drown insid I'm putting you in charge of human resources. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/109379-airlock-with-water-but-not-waterlock/#findComment-1233469 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightinggale Posted July 26, 2019 Share Posted July 26, 2019 Now all we need is dry water to avoid the wet debuffs. Any idea on how it should be manufactured? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/109379-airlock-with-water-but-not-waterlock/#findComment-1233519 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lifegrow Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 Havn't tinkered with airlocks in some time - but seems like not much has changed in nearly 2 years Spoiler Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/109379-airlock-with-water-but-not-waterlock/#findComment-1233562 Share on other sites More sharing options...
abud Posted July 27, 2019 Author Share Posted July 27, 2019 @Lifegrow, you miss the point. You didn't try to drown Lindsay in your video Joke aside, indeed. And I'm showing the small one originally to draw some heat from another heated thread about airlock vs waterlock that night. But then, @Yunru ideas flowing and I just ride into the flow. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/109379-airlock-with-water-but-not-waterlock/#findComment-1233626 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lifegrow Posted July 27, 2019 Share Posted July 27, 2019 Oh no, no - i'd love you folks to come up with something functional. I always found checkpoint locks to be slooooow when you get to the decision making lag late game. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/109379-airlock-with-water-but-not-waterlock/#findComment-1233630 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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