Anyone found a use for Ethanol yet?

[Gracefulmuse]

There is a new plant that makes wood, and a building specifically to make Ethanol, but I cannot seem to find any recipe or item in the game that can utilize it. Am I just missing something?

[Nightinggale]

I haven't found anything. I kind of suspect a yet to be added rocket engine.

[Darkin Coaled]

Don't be surprised if you build a locked and sealed storage for it and yet it still keeps disappearing.

Meanwhile Ellie and Max have permanently rosy cheeks and walk funny late in the cycle.

[goboking]

Googlefu tells me it makes for great hand sanitizer, so perhaps it's going to have medical applications?

[Nightinggale]

Just now, goboking said:

Googlefu tells me it makes for great hand sanitizer, so perhaps it's going to have medical applications?

Not a bad idea, but the the database text indicates something else.

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Ethanol is a high toxic chemical compound.

It can be used as a highly effective fuel source when burned.

That's why I suspect it's fuel for a rocket engine. It could be something else. Power production doesn't seem likely because ethanol is made from wood and there is already wood burning power production.

I noticed that it has a decent thermal capacity and stays liquid down to -114.1 C. That could be interesting for some pre-space cooling applications.

[Gracefulmuse]

Just now, Nightinggale said:

I noticed that it has a decent thermal capacity and stays liquid down to -114.1 C. That could be interesting for some pre-space cooling applications.

This is what I was thinking. You could have a pretty big excess of it way before most people get access to oil, might make a great thermal liquid. 

[goboking]

2 minutes ago, Nightinggale said:

Power production doesn't seem likely because ethanol is made from wood and there is already wood burning power production.

A biofuel generator was my first thought, but then I followed your train of thought on the wood burner.

[Tisamon]

You can use it to fuel a petroleum generator(it now says it need a combustible liquid) or you can use it as a coolant since it has a better specific heat capacity than crude oil or petroleum and a relative low freezing point.

[Nightinggale]

The wood to power conversion seems unbalanced. It's 5.7 g/s wood per W for wood burning while it's 6.4 g/s per W for converting to ethanol and then burn that in a petroleum generator. While it's more efficient to use the petroleum generator, the 240 W to convert wood to ethanol cost more than the gain.

We should expect the input/output values to be updated.

I found a typo in my spreadsheet calculations. It actually looks more reasonable when calculated correctly (wow, what a surprise)

Wood burning: 5.7 g/s per W

Ethanol: 2.85 g/s per W

An off by one error can indeed make a huge difference when it's a cell address

All calculations are outdated because a recent patch changed all the numbers.

[Gurgel]

An here I though it could be used for dupe stress reduction and partying. Oh, well.

[Trego]

1 hour ago, Nightinggale said:

I found a typo in my spreadsheet calculations. It actually looks more reasonable when calculated correctly (wow, what a surprise)

Wood burning: 5.7 g/s per W

Ethanol: 2.85 g/s per W

Ethanol production also produces a substantial amount of polluted dirt as a byproduct, making it even more superior to wood burning.  Perhaps ethanol should be nerfed somewhat.

[axxionx12]

For those of us that can't play for a bit, what's the specific heat capacity of ethanol? Thanks in advance!

[bryce325]

2 minutes ago, axxionx12 said:

For those of us that can't play for a bit, what's the specific heat capacity of ethanol? Thanks in advance!

Gas:
2.148 Capacity
1.000 Conductivity

Liquid:
2.46 Capacity
0.171 Conductivty

[watermelen671]

5 hours ago, Gracefulmuse said:

There is a new plant that makes wood, and a building specifically to make Ethanol, but I cannot seem to find any recipe or item in the game that can utilize it. Am I just missing something?

There's listings in the files for an ethanol generator.

Ethanol is also drinking alcohol, so I have a fair idea on where the modding community can take that. 

[Promethien]

3 hours ago, Trego said:

Ethanol production also produces a substantial amount of polluted dirt as a byproduct, making it even more superior to wood burning.  Perhaps ethanol should be nerfed somewhat.

I was wondering how we were going to feed the new crab. It eats polluted dirt.

[Glassyfo]

13 minutes ago, Promethien said:

I was wondering how we were going to feed the new crab. It eats polluted dirt.

Stick it in your pacu tank.

[Nightinggale]

29 minutes ago, watermelen671 said:

Ethanol is also drinking alcohol, so I have a fair idea on where the modding community can take that. 

Vomit used to be a source of water. It could be turned into one again.

[Promethien]

1 minute ago, bleeter6 said:

Stick it in your pacu tank.

Because we have SOOOOOO much algae to feed pacus with so they poop for us. 

[Glassyfo]

1 minute ago, Promethien said:

Because we have SOOOOOO much algae to feed pacus with so they poop for us. 

How many crabs do you need? There's also the sieve, now that we have alternate sources of dirt.

[Promethien]

55 minutes ago, bleeter6 said:

How many crabs do you need? There's also the sieve, now that we have alternate sources of dirt.

Too many uses for pwater. I end up not actually sieving all that much. They added a new useful plant that eats pwater too so it'll be even less. As for how many crabs? Need to learn more. It seems like at least one stable of them is a good idea. They generate extra lime when they shed. If they lay eggs at a decent clip and give more meat than hatches or pips maybe more. 

[blacknight7890]

1 hour ago, Promethien said:

Too many uses for pwater. I end up not actually sieving all that much. They added a new useful plant that eats pwater too so it'll be even less. As for how many crabs? Need to learn more. It seems like at least one stable of them is a good idea. They generate extra lime when they shed. If they lay eggs at a decent clip and give more meat than hatches or pips maybe more. 

the trees seem to be mostly copied from the peppernut plant, I would hold off on figuring out plant stuff until it's been finalized, as things could change.

[Technoincubus]

i hope they will add stills and alcohol

[PhailRaptor]

4 hours ago, Promethien said:

Because we have SOOOOOO much algae to feed pacus with so they poop for us. 

All critters that excrete will do so at least once in their lifetime, whether they eat anything or not.  Depends on their relative lifetimes, kCal requirements, and kCal conversion of their food items.

[ALPHAP2712]

we can use it as fuel in petroleum generator (tested)

[axxionx12]

You can grow trees for ethanol, combust it in the petroleum generator and use the pwater to grow the trees. The result is an ethanol positive feedback loop (per watching streams last night). You can feed the polluted dirt to crabs and use them for food and lime