Anyone feel like Hamlet is the worst dlc by a long shot?

[Senteliks]

I actually was very thrilled and enjoyed this DLC for awhile and then stopped playing and with little reasons to come back. And then got very annoyed when the announcement about DST (which I also own) happened. Why?

Because Klei has created one of the worst eco system for DS. It doesn't just separates player base but it also puts a strain on already small indie dev company beyond what they are able to handle.

All those updates coming to DST are certainly going to require re-organization and re-prioritization, while Hamlet is going to take worst of that. I mean come on, we haven't seen anything significant since Aporkalypse that was quite letdown. And now what is this with radio silence more than a month now? What I mean by radio silence is where are news about an actual further content (not some half baked, pointless party) for Hamlet and meaningful one?Or the much needed review of game features that need dire attention (based on user's feedback)?

We have like what, month or so to  the final launch of Hamlet and this what we get? I know this won't make any difference but I am really done supporting Klei's EA titles from now on.

[Szczuku]

^ Well this was a little harsh. I don't agree but I can't say that I don't understand.

From what I understand Klei is devided into multiple teams: one for oni, one for ds, one for dst etc. So news for dst and existance of Hamlet shouldn't really affect each other but I'm afraid that Klei indeed is taking more what they can handle.

You still need to remember that there are big game companies that Klei is waaay better than. Since beta some of really annoying bugs have been fixed. For example black room bug. And in about a week most of QoL bugs were fixed.

Although I'm afraid that when it comes to april, the release date will either be moved (again) or they'll continue to update the game after release.

But I agree with one thing: Klei has quite a bad communication with the players. We often wait months without anything then 1 day out of nowhere get a bombshell of information dropped on us and we wait again.

As to your news about Hamlet- in QoL they announced that their next priority is reworking Warbucks and Wilba to make them fun in other dlcs too.

[Senteliks]

@Szczuku

I just won't be buying their EA titles anymore, I am going to buy finished products.Despite what kind of impression I left with above message (which is influence by me being overwhelmingly frustrated about things going on in my life at moment and it sounded harsh - which is not much excuse and I apologize), I do believe their games are unique and fun to play. And yes they have separate teams for each game, however, Klei has around 50 employees and 2 games and one DLC in EA, plus Don't Starve Together in  active development?

It's just that this fashion of taking so many projects at once really need to be tone down a bit. Having not 1 but 3 unfinished titles in EA is really a bit too much, along with a constant delays in both content and information.

And I am not the fan of how DST and DS were handled. It's an ongoing struggle to balance content between them and satisfy communities. I am not necessarily saying they are bad developers, far from it (otherwise I wouldn't own every DS and ONI title) but as I said they need to stop being so blindly ambitious (that's never good).

And regarding character balance, that's nice but it's hardly anything too exciting to look forward too and doesn't really tell much about solution to darting issues Hamlet still has

[Rellimarual]

2 hours ago, Senteliks said:

And I am not the fan of how DST and DS were handled. It's an ongoing struggle to balance content between them and satisfy communities. I am not necessarily saying they are bad developers, far from it (otherwise I wouldn't own every DS and ONI title) but as I said they need to stop being so blindly ambitious (that's never good).

Which game would you prefer they stop working on? Personally, for me it would be ONI, which I don’t play. But realistically, new games make more money than old ones, so you’re basically asking that either DS or DST be mothballed. 

[Szczuku]

4 hours ago, Rellimarual said:

Which game would you prefer they stop working on? Personally, for me it would be ONI, which I don’t play. But realistically, new games make more money than old ones, so you’re basically asking that either DS or DST be mothballed. 

Better solution would be to juggle between the games if they want to update one. Spend 1-2 years working on dst then work on ds

[Rellimarual]

5 hours ago, Szczuku said:

Better solution would be to juggle between the games if they want to update one. Spend 1-2 years working on dst then work on ds

The problem with this plan is that no one will be playing the game after 2 years without updates. Some might come back to see what’s new, but it will never recover the playerbase it had before. That’s a big incentive to just stop updating them entirely and move on, so be careful what you wish for.

[Szczuku]

2 hours ago, Rellimarual said:

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Well I mean... hasn't this happened already? After Sw ds was silent for 2 years untill Hamlet beta

[Machine Reaper]

1 hour ago, Szczuku said:

Well I mean... hasn't this happened already? After Sw ds was silent for 2 years untill Hamlet beta

Yeah, DS has been pretty much dead and not even updated properly since 5 years ago and SW also didn't introduce any Q.O.Ls either that made the game feel Modern like DST,

its only in now Hamlet where the devs have seen that the DS engine and mechanics have aged and need to be updated to become more playable like DST.

[melayeller]

I'm pretty glad that I didn't start reading forums until recently. I really enjoyed the challenge of Shipwrecked and exploring new content. Yes, a lot of it was the same or similar to vanilla, but even re-skinning things was very enjoyable to me. I just can't imagine a day when I put DS away. It feels like an endless challenge, and especially enjoyable. Now, there is some gameplay that is a bit unfair, disappointing, and frustrating, which might cause me to take a couple months away, but as far as how responsive Klei is to players, there is no other game that I know of whose developers are so connected to the players. Even for the fact that EA Hamlet was $6.99 (and they gave it away for free to Beta testers), it's pretty awesome to get completely new content, gameplay, and new characters. It provided several hundred hours of new content and forced me to play a character that I never had before (WX-78). Is it perfect? Nah. But they do work pretty hard to improve things. 

It might just be that I'm not aware of any games that constantly have new content, so to be upset that there were no new updates for two years confuses me... They still did the Home Sea Home update (although I'm not really sure when that was). 

Not trying to be mean, but I guess I'm curious as to what games we're comparing DS to?

I play ONI the least, but usually when I died ruthlessly somehow in DS and need a break. I don't think the devs have too much on their hands and I think they're handling it pretty well for being a growing indie company. I don't play a lot of DST, but they are committed to keeping all new content free so that no players are alienated by their inability to participate. That's a pretty cool principle to have. 

 

/endrant

 

Sorry.

[Senteliks]

5 hours ago, melayeller said:

/endrant

I applaud to you.

And you are missing the point I made.

20 hours ago, Rellimarual said:

Which game would you prefer they stop working on?

At this point? On DS itself. It's clear that DST is the one that will always require more attention and maintenance because of it's MP nature. However, what I am frustrated about is their focus. I would prefer them to narrow it down. Glorified Hamlet give away is all great and awesome but fact is it progressed very little since the start of EA.

I wished they actually finished ONI before even considering new DS expansion. All my complaint is about them stretching limited resources of company over very ambitious projects.

[Rosten]

9 hours ago, MWY said:

Yeah, DS has been pretty much dead and not even updated properly since 5 years ago and SW also didn't introduce any Q.O.Ls either that made the game feel Modern like DST,

its only in now Hamlet where the devs have seen that the DS engine and mechanics have aged and need to be updated to become more playable like DST.

The reason for this is that DST is something of a sequel to Don't Starve. It wouldn't make sense, logistically _or_ lore-wise to backport things from DST to DS, barring the QOL update they added in Hamlet. I've long since come to terms with the fact that single-player Don't Starve is no longer a focus of Klei, and hasn't been for a long time. I don't really mind, though, because there's nothing stopping you from playing DST solo. It's only an issue when you want to play the DLC, and Klei is addressing those issues.

 

2 hours ago, Senteliks said:

At this point? On DS itself. It's clear that DST is the one that will always require more attention and maintenance because of it's MP nature. However, what I am frustrated about is their focus. I would prefer them to narrow it down. Glorified Hamlet give away is all great and awesome but fact is it progressed very little since the start of EA.

I wished they actually finished ONI before even considering new DS expansion. All my complaint is about them stretching limited resources of company over very ambitious projects.

They already have stopped working on DS. I don't remember when there was last a single-player Don't Starve update. The primary issue is the separation between solo DS and DST makes DLC really awkward to implement. 

Also, they aren't stretching their resources, obviously. One can't expect constant massive content updates like there were back when DS was still in active development. The game is... For the most part, finished. I would doubt that Hamlet even has that much more content to be added at this point. I'd be pleasantly surprised if there was a significant chunk added between now and it's true release, but I'm not going to count on it, as I find the current version of it to be pretty satisfying. Adding significantly more content at this point might even start to make the game feel bloated (And I feel that way about DST to a certain degree already, honestly.)

[Senteliks]

@Rosten

Dude, whatever you like it or not DS Hamlet is the content for DS ...

And that you find it satisfying doesn't account for number of unsatisfied people and in general brought issues,just saying (or make it a satisfying and definite answer to everything). And seriously if this is how the final will look like then I stand by that I am done supporting Klei EA games period. You don't agree with it? Fine be me, as I said I am just an individual and it's not going to make any difference, you are entitle to your own opinion on the matter

P.S I am also not expecting anything more than they have promised in "Roadmap" for hamlet, whatever you agree or not. Also DST can be considered many thing but a sequel? Are you serious? And one more thing, by your logic Terraria was finished game. complete game. 8 years later it's still receiving expansion like/dlc content for free.

Do you want me to list yet another example that comes to my mind? They are very few but are out there.

DS had so much freaking potential and I don't know how long you have tag along but I have tag along since DS was still in EA, so yeah I am very pissed, it may have never reached the popularity of Terraria, but I be damned it could have expanded beyond what it is now.

[Seero]

Agreed, they wanted to make this dlc harder then ROG and SW but their failing in the process.

 

On 1/30/2019 at 12:00 PM, Rellimarual said:

I just sat down to play a new run as Wicker after taking a break and seriously considered turning off both humid and lush seasons. And why not, really? I have a friend who just likes DS as a farming game and in ROG, she turns off winter and summer, but that means never getting a cane, tam or scaled chest. In SW, you gotta go through the hurricane season to get iron wind. Monsoon has tiger shark kittens, even if you can spawn the shark other ways. Volcano has dragoon deliveries, more obsidian from trawl nets and very calm seas in the deep ocean.

 

 

[Rosten]

19 hours ago, Senteliks said:

@Rosten

Dude, whatever you like it or not DS Hamlet is the content for DS ...

No, it's not. It's DLC. It's it's own self-contained thing, not even a general content update like ROG was, and it's not a sign that Klei is suddenly going to start updating Don't Starve again. 

19 hours ago, Senteliks said:

And that you find it satisfying doesn't account for number of unsatisfied people and in general brought issues,just saying (or make it a satisfying and definite answer to everything). And seriously if this is how the final will look like then I stand by that I am done supporting Klei EA games period. You don't agree with it? Fine be me, as I said I am just an individual and it's not going to make any difference, you are entitle to your own opinion on the matter

I'm really not sure what you want. It's a $7 DLC. It's not going to be equal to the entirety of Don't Starve and RoG combined. I imagine we'll see some additions to the Aporkalypse and perhaps some more endgame content (Possibly with the addition of being able to build cities in ROG worlds) but acting as if Hamlet is some tragically unfinished, terrible product is pretty ridiculous. Knowing Klei it may even continue to get updates after being released as Shipwrecked occasionally did. I think you're being pretty unfair to Klei with this.

19 hours ago, Senteliks said:

DS had so much freaking potential and I don't know how long you have tag along but I have tag along since DS was still in EA, so yeah I am very pissed, it may have never reached the popularity of Terraria, but I be damned it could have expanded beyond what it is now.

I've been here since before the game was even on Steam. I didn't always have a forum account (Just missed the deadline to get the DS contributor badge, sadly.) and I've been a lot more active in this community than you have.

DS *has* so much potential, DST is it's successor, and is still in active development. It's even a "sequel" in a semi-official fashion. Acting like Hamlet, a, let me remind you, $7 DLC, isn't going to reach the same heights as the base game + the largest DLC is equivalent to Klei somehow abandoning DS is just downright misinformed. 

[Maslak]

On 27.01.2019 at 12:22 PM, Rellimarual said:

SW has the best graphics, structures you can build on the water, interesting weather challenges, ballphins, the slot machine, the possibility of lakes and much more.

True, the game is so colorful! I also love SW music the most!
And have you guys ever listened closely to SW ambient sounds? They are masterfully done and way more noticeable! Just get a bottle lantern and chill out during night, listen to the sounds.

On 27.01.2019 at 7:08 PM, Talavaj said:

Sea Home update is what made SW somewhat worthwhile.

  I don't get the whole thing. Shipyard is slightly worse way to fix ships than repair kit. Tar is okay fuel, that's it. Nautical structures are barerly useful imo, I never deploy them. Why? Moving on land is better and there is simply no lighting rod for sea. Base on the ocean just can't be built without risking it being burned down (partially). The only really useful structure is sea lab for early game if you can't deal with flooding.
  Home Sea Home update (actually small fix short before/after) fixed corals finally growing, that's true. It also made relocating corals possible and even saving them up for worldhoppin. We can also replant seaweed which seems like not really needed feature but hey, I can't complain. Made ballphins more useful and consistent, true. 
  The worst thing is that they teased baby water beefalo on update poster yet there are none.
My one problem with Shipwrecked was and still is how some creatures/things are just reskins.

  Okay, but about Hamlet. I can't really play it, even with CarlZaph's performance mods. Rabid beetles just need to die out, there's no other way to fix performance drops related to them, I believe.
  Now they also removed Warbucks. If they really did remove him due to this whole controversy then I'm sorta mad about it. I also can't understand how he doesn't fit DS artstyle? No idea what people mean here. But enough about Warbucks, there are several threads just about him right now. 
  Hamlet has more unique creatures which is the biggest plus, imo. Of course the art is great but that doesn't impact gameplay at all. I dislike how pikos just spawn from certain trees but there's no indication, so you can chop them down and lose renewable source of pikos. Can't 'transplant' them somewhere else, either. I'd love to see different biomes on different islands, too. 

[Rellimarual]

40 minutes ago, Maslak said:

I don't get the whole thing. Shipyard is slightly worse way to fix ships than repair kit. Tar is okay fuel, that's it. Nautical structures are barerly useful imo, I never deploy them. Why? Moving on land is better and there is simply no lighting rod for sea. Base on the ocean just can't be built without risking it being burned down (partially). The only really useful structure is sea lab for early game if you can't deal with flooding.

I can’t agree. It seemed like I spent 25% of my time in SW grinding boards, ropes and stingers for those damn kits. The seayard is a place to chill at night (put a buoy next to it) and by morning your ship is good to go. The tar machine practically runs itself.

I also really liked the ability to transplant seaweed and coral because I always look for an island with a lake so that I can build a farm there. (If you tweak the default world settings to huge, it seems to make the islands bigger, not the overal map, and lakes are more likely that way.) 

You’re  so right about the ambient sounds, too. It’s another reason I like building on the sea. I just generally like the look and atmosphere on the water, especially with buoys at night.

[Maslak]

I kinda took the risk of mentioning see yard here because I remember the big argument that was started after the update.
Rezecib did the math and it's quicker to get materials and craft repair kit than use shipyard. Shipyard is better only for really-low HP vessels since it's repair is % based iirc. But people still argued over this.

If shipyard was able to repair unmanned vessels then it would be perfect.

[Rellimarual]

6 minutes ago, Maslak said:

I kinda took the risk of mentioning see yard here because I remember the big argument that was started after the update.
Rezecib did the math and it's quicker to get materials and craft repair kit than use shipyard. Shipyard is better only for really-low HP vessels since it's repair is % based iirc. But people still argued over this.

If shipyard was able to repair unmanned vessels then it would be perfect.

That’s probably true if you’re being hardcore and spending every second of the game doing something, but I often just hang around base for the night. I might as well get the boat fixed for free while I’m doing it (plus checking email). You get pretty sick of chopping all those trees.

[dissentist]

It is now, for sure.

 

[watermelen671]

On 2/5/2019 at 12:08 PM, melayeller said:

They still did the Home Sea Home update (although I'm not really sure when that was). 

November of 2017

Spoiler

Or was it October? I'm pretty sure it was November...

 

4 hours ago, Maslak said:

Just get a bottle lantern and chill out during night, listen to the sounds.

Oh I know the kind of "bottle" you mean.

Spoiler

 

[PanAzej]

I like Hamlet. The world feels fresh, creatures are hostile but I can live with that, because I learn pretty quick what their behaviour is and they don't instakill you or anything. And if they do - they telegraph the fact that they can do that. Huge body size, shaking ground - these are good indicators. Pigs tell you what they want - no issues there.

But I dislike the fact that I have to study the wiki every time I find a new item.

In a game in which you seemingly have to learn by trial and error, where a single day lasts 8 minutes, while the death is permanent there should be better indicators of what things should be done and what is the purpose of some items. 

For example Gnat Swarms are bullcrap - my first encounter with them was me trying to fend them off with torches/lighting stuff on fire and running into it. Nope, doesn't work. According to wiki freezing them with an Ice Staff works. Totally makes sense.

And yeah, if you wanna survive you better read everything about Hamlet's seasons and items or you're going to get negatively surprised.

You might say "Yeah, but that's Don't Starve, it's always been like this"... Yeah, I'm probably getting too old for these vidyagames

[Szczuku]

On ‎2019‎-‎02‎-‎10 at 12:39 PM, PanAzej said:

But I dislike the fact that I have to study the wiki every time I find a new item.

In a game in which you seemingly have to learn by trial and error, where a single day lasts 8 minutes, while the death is permanent there should be better indicators of what things should be done and what is the purpose of some items. 

For example Gnat Swarms are bullcrap - my first encounter with them was me trying to fend them off with torches/lighting stuff on fire and running into it. Nope, doesn't work. According to wiki freezing them with an Ice Staff works. Totally makes sense.

And yeah, if you wanna survive you better read everything about Hamlet's seasons and items or you're going to get negatively surprised.

You might say "Yeah, but that's Don't Starve, it's always been like this"... Yeah, I'm probably getting too old for these vidyagames

For me it's 50/50

Some things are pretty easy to guess:

"Gnat swarm- probably nothing good (as my reaction on every new creature is assuming that it's aggresive/harmful). Oh they left me alone and went after thunderbird. Noted"

"Staff made with pugalisk skull. It probably freezez like he does."

"Gas mask will probably fix hayfever"

And on the other hand some things you really won't guess untill you look up wiki/tutorials.

For example hanging flytrap stalks on drying racks- if it's not meat I'll never attempt to hang it on the drying rack. 

Pith hat- I was lucky enough to go by the logic of "well there's always a hat for a season so I might as well try this" and succeeded but most people seem to have trouble figuring out that pith hat fixes fog.

Eating tea pods. I'd never know that they fix hayfever if not wiki. No character quote even hints that.

And the biggest of all: Aporkalypse. I think I don't have to explain why

[voyager156]

On 26.01.2019 at 9:47 PM, Marquillotuca89 said:

Shipwrecked is a really good DLC with well-thought mechanics and adds fresh content and really different from the other two DLC's. Maybe the whole volcano thing is disappointing, but everything else is excellent.

Exactly! I like Hamlet, but in my opinion Shipwrecked is much better

[Fajarrizky94]

On 2/10/2019 at 6:39 PM, PanAzej said:

I like Hamlet. The world feels fresh, creatures are hostile but I can live with that, because I learn pretty quick what their behaviour is and they don't instakill you or anything. And if they do - they telegraph the fact that they can do that. Huge body size, shaking ground - these are good indicators. Pigs tell you what they want - no issues there.

But I dislike the fact that I have to study the wiki every time I find a new item.

In a game in which you seemingly have to learn by trial and error, where a single day lasts 8 minutes, while the death is permanent there should be better indicators of what things should be done and what is the purpose of some items. 

For example Gnat Swarms are bullcrap - my first encounter with them was me trying to fend them off with torches/lighting stuff on fire and running into it. Nope, doesn't work. According to wiki freezing them with an Ice Staff works. Totally makes sense.

And yeah, if you wanna survive you better read everything about Hamlet's seasons and items or you're going to get negatively surprised.

You might say "Yeah, but that's Don't Starve, it's always been like this"... Yeah, I'm probably getting too old for these vidyagames

other dlcs also has things that isn't obvius for the first time you see, if not more. Example : volcanoes in SW, how the hell do you know which items works best to calm the volcanoes? also the coffee plants and elephant cactus needs ASH as fertilizers, and you need to fertilize them first before digging them. In RoG there's the obelisk. How the hell do you know that they're affected by your sanity level? In DST there's misery toadstool. How the hell do people realize that to summon the misery toadstool you need a friggin CANARY that is SICK, and needs to be exploded NEAR THE TOADSTOOL? And don't even make me start on how to summon the ancient fuelweaver

[JimmyJam]

Wait i thought people hated SW... I cant keep up with this fandom sometimes lmao