Neotuck Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 All artwork on the Left was done by an Art Student All artwork on the Right was done by an Artist Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/99996-art-student-vs-artist/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruhrohraggy Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 There's a 3rd one now too, which is fun. I like the little paint brush in the hat too, nice touch. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/99996-art-student-vs-artist/#findComment-1126322 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotuck Posted December 4, 2018 Author Share Posted December 4, 2018 Just now, ruhrohraggy said: There's a 3rd one now too, which is fun. When it comes to Master Artist there are 3 versions of the following art: Also Ice Sculptures have a "crude" version (or they always did and I never seen it before) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/99996-art-student-vs-artist/#findComment-1126339 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruhrohraggy Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, Neotuck said: When it comes to Master Artist there are 3 versions of the following art: Nice. We need more art. I'm surprised Klei didn't add in art from this fine RL artist. Some of those are great, and fit the bill for Klei's overall style...we should petition. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/99996-art-student-vs-artist/#findComment-1126342 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coolthulhu Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Is there a reason to ever build marble statues? They got nerfed and now they look strictly worse than regular ones. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/99996-art-student-vs-artist/#findComment-1126345 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotuck Posted December 4, 2018 Author Share Posted December 4, 2018 24 minutes ago, Coolthulhu said: Is there a reason to ever build marble statues? They got nerfed and now they look strictly worse than regular ones. well a masterpiece marble statue give 42 decor at 8 range using the same space to fit 2 normal statues for 48 decor at 8 range while using the same space with 2 metal statues for 90 decor at 8 range! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/99996-art-student-vs-artist/#findComment-1126352 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruhrohraggy Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 They don't really think through their numbers very well it seems. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/99996-art-student-vs-artist/#findComment-1126369 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasza22 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 I still keep wondering how are they building marble statues without, well... marble. How do you make marble out of sandstone anyway? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/99996-art-student-vs-artist/#findComment-1126483 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariilyn Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 7 minutes ago, Sasza22 said: I still keep wondering how are they building marble statues without, well... marble. How do you make marble out of sandstone anyway? This one can only be made out of granite or obsidian. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/99996-art-student-vs-artist/#findComment-1126487 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chemie Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 7 hours ago, Sasza22 said: I still keep wondering how are they building marble statues without, well... marble. How do you make marble out of sandstone anyway? marble is made from limestone and a whole lot of heat and pressure Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/99996-art-student-vs-artist/#findComment-1126694 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chemie Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 17 hours ago, Neotuck said: All artwork on the Left was done by an Art Student All artwork on the Right was done by an Artist glad they made it so obvious so you know what to delete and rebuild <s> does a great room require a masterpiece or just enough garbage pieces to add to 12? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/99996-art-student-vs-artist/#findComment-1126707 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotuck Posted December 4, 2018 Author Share Posted December 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, chemie said: glad they made it so obvious so you know what to delete and rebuild <s> does a great room require a masterpiece or just enough garage pieces to add to 12? Good question, I'll have to check when I get home Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/99996-art-student-vs-artist/#findComment-1126709 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurve Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 At least one 20+ decor item. Plants don't count, nor does the spawning pod. Previously even a 0 Creativity dupe could knock out a 22-decor granite statue for the requirement. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/99996-art-student-vs-artist/#findComment-1126718 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacovf Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Decor items need a UI rework, if this is the way the devs want to go. For example, make it so all non-masterpiece artwork items have a standing order to be updated, once a dupe has the required job level to do better. This shouldn't be micromanaged by the player. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/99996-art-student-vs-artist/#findComment-1126724 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotuck Posted December 4, 2018 Author Share Posted December 4, 2018 I wouldn't call it micromanagment. If you take too much player interaction out of the game then it gets too easy and dull. I usually rebuild my bases as I rise in tier anyways when I get better food, O2 production, power supply. Having to rebuild art as I rebuild my base changes very little then what I had to do before Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/99996-art-student-vs-artist/#findComment-1126732 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorsDux Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 9 hours ago, Sasza22 said: I still keep wondering how are they building marble statues without, well... marble. How do you make marble out of sandstone anyway? In general they might think of polished statues of any rock material. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/99996-art-student-vs-artist/#findComment-1126736 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coolthulhu Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 49 minutes ago, Neotuck said: If you take too much player interaction out of the game then it gets too easy and dull. Literally couldn't be more wrong. Having to manually call orders to do obvious things doesn't make the game even the slightest bit harder, but it certainly makes it duller. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/99996-art-student-vs-artist/#findComment-1126753 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotuck Posted December 4, 2018 Author Share Posted December 4, 2018 9 minutes ago, Coolthulhu said: Literally couldn't be more wrong. Having to manually call orders to do obvious things doesn't make the game even the slightest bit harder, but it certainly makes it duller. We are talking about once, maybe twice having to rebuild art It's not like having to watch stables were you have to replace a critter every 150 cycles Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/99996-art-student-vs-artist/#findComment-1126758 Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuantumFlux Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 14 hours ago, Neotuck said: It's not like having to watch stables were you have to replace a critter every 150 cycles You can automate that too: critter sensor with two autosweepers, one of them can reach an egg cracker, the other one an incubator, while both can sweep the floor. Then set up your critter sensor to below 9 (for hatches) and have it activate the sweeper with the incubator, also hook it up to the other sweeper with a NOT gate. Since the critter sensor counts eggs too, whenever an egg is laid and it would be the 9th critter the sweeper for the egg cracker activates, otherwise the egg gets incubated. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/99996-art-student-vs-artist/#findComment-1127055 Share on other sites More sharing options...
0xFADE Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 This aspect of the update is going to be trouble. No more natural talent creating nice art. Will have to build a lot of un finished art stuff till some random dupe becomes a master. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/99996-art-student-vs-artist/#findComment-1127353 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotuck Posted December 5, 2018 Author Share Posted December 5, 2018 6 minutes ago, 0xFADE said: This aspect of the update is going to be trouble. No more natural talent creating nice art. Will have to build a lot of un finished art stuff till some random dupe becomes a master. If you think about it, it makes sense Natural attributes only effects the speed of the job This is true for all other jobs Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/99996-art-student-vs-artist/#findComment-1127359 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimgaw Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 26 minutes ago, 0xFADE said: Will have to build a lot of un finished art stuff till some random dupe becomes a master. You can master a job by doing any task. Even sleeping. I've had astronauts who never touched research stations, I'm sure you can get Master Artist without creating 'failed' art. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/99996-art-student-vs-artist/#findComment-1127368 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasza22 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 I kinda expected it work like this eventually. Now we can`t build a great hall right away. Early game got more challenging in terms of morale. 50 minutes ago, 0xFADE said: Will have to build a lot of un finished art stuff till some random dupe becomes a master. That`s one way to deal with it. If you really hate removing old art to upgrade it. I`m happy i get to see all the other art variants throughout the game. Even if it`s a nerf. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/99996-art-student-vs-artist/#findComment-1127373 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senteliks Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 On 12/4/2018 at 4:05 AM, ruhrohraggy said: Nice. We need more art. I'm surprised Klei didn't add in art from this fine RL artist. Some of those are great, and fit the bill for Klei's overall style...we should petition. He already asked but stupid, laws ( that have gotten as far as you must have a mile long legal agreement in place to borrow your room mate a cup - sarcasm here) have prevented Klei from incorporating it in. There is no issue when you include a gameplay mod or fixes made by community. Because, community is using your intellectual property (source code ) to build something (of course proper credits are due to, if you want to keep stellar reputation and acknowledge community's hardwork) but ... art is different story. However, I am pretty sure Klei will allow modders to include custom art in the game, which is win win for everyone. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/99996-art-student-vs-artist/#findComment-1127417 Share on other sites More sharing options...
0xFADE Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 8 hours ago, Grimgaw said: You can master a job by doing any task. Even sleeping. I've had astronauts who never touched research stations, I'm sure you can get Master Artist without creating 'failed' art. I meant the new to come third tier of artistry which will also likely come with a healthy moral cost Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/99996-art-student-vs-artist/#findComment-1127549 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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