Sigma Cypher Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 What do you guys build next after the steam engine and 5 research modules? I need to get fullerene to make supercoolant, and I can't make liquid H2 or LOX without supercoolant, and I can't seem to get to the 20km asteroids I need with a cargo module and steam engine + solid rocket booster so ... what am I missing? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/99458-rocket-progression-for-fullerene/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
zergologist Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 You need petrol engine Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/99458-rocket-progression-for-fullerene/#findComment-1121685 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhailRaptor Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 1 hour ago, Sigma Cypher said: I need to get fullerene to make supercoolant, and I can't make liquid H2 or LOX without supercoolant, It's been pretty well documented now that you do not need Super Coolant in any capacity to make LOX, and while it makes Liquid H2 dramatically easier and faster, it is not required there either. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/99458-rocket-progression-for-fullerene/#findComment-1121701 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnis Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 1 hour ago, PhailRaptor said: It's been pretty well documented now that you do not need Super Coolant in any capacity to make LOX, and while it makes Liquid H2 dramatically easier and faster, it is not required there either. .. provided you are willing to use the 10% packet exploit. But sure, you can make LOX without supercoolant. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/99458-rocket-progression-for-fullerene/#findComment-1121716 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirani Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 I also had the same problem. Like the other folks said you need to pass by the petroleum engine. With petroleum engine you can use oxylite or liquid oxygen. To produce oxylite you can use the machine in refinery "Oxylite refinery" or the dense pufts. To produce liquid oxygen without supercolant you can use hydrogen only. Here is my setup for this phase: Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/99458-rocket-progression-for-fullerene/#findComment-1121727 Share on other sites More sharing options...
blash365 Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 4 hours ago, Sigma Cypher said: I can't make liquid H2 or LOX without supercoolant, Yes, you can. You can even do it without the tricks that @kolyapedal employs, but it takes ages to cool down oxygen with just radiant hydrogen vents. The in-between solution is to simply establish a dense puft farm and harvest their oxylite until you have a proper LOX setup. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/99458-rocket-progression-for-fullerene/#findComment-1121729 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coolthulhu Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 Nowadays there are two separate tanks: oxylite and LOX. LOX one is unlocked with hydrogen engine. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/99458-rocket-progression-for-fullerene/#findComment-1121746 Share on other sites More sharing options...
blash365 Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 26 minutes ago, Coolthulhu said: Nowadays there are two separate tanks: oxylite and LOX. LOX one is unlocked with hydrogen engine. Omg. Then i have to go back to pufts. I just deconstructed my ranch.:( Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/99458-rocket-progression-for-fullerene/#findComment-1121753 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhailRaptor Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 18 minutes ago, blash365 said: Omg. Then i have to go back to pufts. I just deconstructed my ranch.:( Depends, do you have a Gold Volcano? You could use the.... Foundry(?) instead. Make Oxylite from piped in Oxygen, and Gold. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/99458-rocket-progression-for-fullerene/#findComment-1121761 Share on other sites More sharing options...
avc15 Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 29 minutes ago, blash365 said: Omg. Then i have to go back to pufts. I just deconstructed my ranch.:( nothing wrong with an oxylite refinery, it ramps from nothing to full production immediately without waiting for breeding cycles, doesn't waste 50% of your oxygen, but does consume 5g of gold per 1 kg of oxylite and 1200 watts. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/99458-rocket-progression-for-fullerene/#findComment-1121762 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhailRaptor Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 7 minutes ago, avc15 said: doesn't waste 50% of your oxygen Er.... Dense Pufts only have a 5% mass loss.... unless you're referring to the total they consume/convert to Oxylite? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/99458-rocket-progression-for-fullerene/#findComment-1121763 Share on other sites More sharing options...
avc15 Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 Just now, PhailRaptor said: Er.... Dense Pufts only have a 5% mass loss.... unless you're referring to the total they consume/convert to Oxylite? no, you are correct, thanks.I never use dense pufts Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/99458-rocket-progression-for-fullerene/#findComment-1121764 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ixenzo Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 1 hour ago, Coolthulhu said: LOX one is unlocked with hydrogen engine Yo, dis ain't good. In what world do people use rocket engines that burn kerosene with powder oxidizer? It's neither kerolox nor solid fuel, but in between for some reason. When gameplay and common sense clash... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/99458-rocket-progression-for-fullerene/#findComment-1121769 Share on other sites More sharing options...
blash365 Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 48 minutes ago, avc15 said: nothing wrong with an oxylite refinery, it ramps from nothing to full production immediately without waiting for breeding cycles, doesn't waste 50% of your oxygen, but does consume 5g of gold per 1 kg of oxylite and 1200 watts. True. I guess, i'll just do that for the remaining 100 space tech points. As soon as i can load my savegame without crashing that is. :/ Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/99458-rocket-progression-for-fullerene/#findComment-1121788 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coolthulhu Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 1 hour ago, Ixenzo said: When gameplay and common sense clash... It's completely, 100% fine for gameplay to clash with realism (not common sense like you said - oxidation chemistry is not common sense). Real life would be a terrible game - a boring slog with few fun minigames. The problem is, forced oxylite/LOX split isn't really good gameplay. It's down there with steam rockets being required and solid boosters existing at all despite being only useful to research petroleum rockets. Now, those are just questionable design choices. There are also objective errors like gantry control tedium and rocket detectors not having perfect detection. Now that I think about it, the rocketry upgrade, for all the fun features, will need a ton of fixes before it can be called "good". Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/99458-rocket-progression-for-fullerene/#findComment-1121808 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilalaunekuh Posted November 24, 2018 Share Posted November 24, 2018 3 hours ago, Coolthulhu said: solid boosters existing at all despite being only useful to research petroleum rockets Ok I farm my fullerene with a small early game rocket in 20 000km distance. That mean command module, solid cargo tank, solid booster and a steam engine. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/99458-rocket-progression-for-fullerene/#findComment-1121879 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigma Cypher Posted November 24, 2018 Author Share Posted November 24, 2018 Thank you all so much for the informative responses. I’m embarrassed that I didn’t think of using H2 gas to condense O2. I don’t know about the 10% packet exploit but I’ll check it out. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/99458-rocket-progression-for-fullerene/#findComment-1121897 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhailRaptor Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 8 hours ago, Sigma Cypher said: I don’t know about the 10% packet exploit but I’ll check it out. Elements cannot change phase (liquid -> gas, for example) if the mass involved is too low. So if you limit the flow with a Valve, you can prevent a liquid from evaporating into a gas. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/99458-rocket-progression-for-fullerene/#findComment-1122097 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveSatx Posted November 25, 2018 Share Posted November 25, 2018 On 11/24/2018 at 5:28 AM, avc15 said: no, you are correct, thanks.I never use dense pufts I like them for the' 'set it and forget it' aspect, i like my base pressurized to 2k and the backlog in the pipes just gets vented into the puft room.. I set it up early and basically have oxylite when i finally get to that stage. that being said I freely admit I've not passed steam yet on any save due to other mistakes *grin* Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/99458-rocket-progression-for-fullerene/#findComment-1122316 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickerooni Posted November 26, 2018 Share Posted November 26, 2018 On 11/24/2018 at 5:25 AM, Coolthulhu said: It's completely, 100% fine for gameplay to clash with realism (not common sense like you said - oxidation chemistry is not common sense). Real life would be a terrible game - a boring slog with few fun minigames. I’d play the Real Life game for the Oxygen Not Included minigame. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/99458-rocket-progression-for-fullerene/#findComment-1122505 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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