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2 minutes ago, tzionut said:

I was thinking to make vacuum whit a pump after the vent is dormant

My personal opinion: you should if you can. Using vacuum on a steam vent is not necessary, but will make things much easier. Probably you will want to get rid some temp shift plates, just because they didn't work on vacuum.

I made this one vacuum using gas pumps too. Big pump until about 200 gr/tile, then 2 small pumps. If you don't care about power usage, you can just use the big pump until vacuum.

 

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Why would you need vacuum, if the steam vent will create steam and break the vacuum? Or

Why not just surround it with Abyssalite tiles(insulated if outside temperature <20°)? That way the vent will huff and puff, steam will turn into water(~80°) and then you just use the water to produce oxygen or as a heater(I use it for Balm lily farm for example - keeps those purple weeds nice and warm).

Now if you're trying to cool that 80° water to 20°, that's a different issue(given you only have 8 dupes you probably don't need that much oxygen anyways). However, I'd still pump the 80° water somewhere and cool it(e.g. AETN), instead of using vacuum to ... keep it hot? :confused:

if its a vacuum before the steam starts again it will fill with steam and cool back to a vacuum. if he makes the chamber under it large(and it should be already) enough about 8/10 and still a vacuum the steam will cool quickly forming a pool of water that will quickly drop in temp because of the constant vacuum. a couple updates ago they made it harder to build a vacuum from scratch by removing a door exploit we used to enjoy(the dupes would crawl under the door without opening it.also the reason that doors open now when dupes go past them) he could add a mesh tile in the wall at about water level that will vent the gases and a small amount of water. steam being the lightest gas we have will force all the excess gasses out the mesh and then seal itself with the small amount of water in the tile making a vacuum after the steam cools

if it was stored in a vacuum chamber large enough to hold an entire activation period and a little extra room. it would start to freeze solid during the off time. but you don't actually wanna do that 50% dig loss.

 

23 minutes ago, Slvrsrfr said:

make it cold

 

 

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you only have 8 dupes you probably don't need that much oxygen anyways

Yes I kipped only 8 dupes, but only flatulent dupes, so making vacuum is difficult but not impossible.

I just tried to condense the 110 steam to water, Not to cool it. For free cooling is easier whit wizworts and co2, The Co2 turn to liquid and go in contact whit hot water then vaporizes again, same process until the water is on your desired temperature then you can pump it.

I am just amazed that germ isn't dying.

9 hours ago, martosss said:

Why would you need vacuum, if the steam vent will create steam and break the vacuum? Or

Why not just surround it with Abyssalite tiles(insulated if outside temperature <20°)? That way the vent will huff and puff, steam will turn into water(~80°) and then you just use the water to produce oxygen or as a heater(I use it for Balm lily farm for example - keeps those purple weeds nice and warm).

The big reason is that, if you have properly insulated your Geyser chamber/tank, any new Steam that gets added isn't going to condense into water.  The heat simply has nowhere to go.  This results in the pressure inside the chamber going over 5 kg/tile of atmosphere, at which point the Geyser will be overpressure and unable to emit anymore Steam.  This causes a loss of expected production.

One of the simpler, if not necessarily easier, methods is to create a Wheezewort chamber full of Hydrogen, using Metal Tiles and Tempshift Plates, to form a heat deletion zone joined to the chamber.  This will pull heat out of the Steam into the Hydrogen for the Wheezeworts to delete.  But doing this, you have to be careful not to overwhelm your Wheezeworts.  The easiest way to do that is to ensure that the only possible atmosphere in the Geyser chamber is the Steam itself.  As it cools, it will condense, and between Active periods will maintain vacuum, allowing the Wheezeworts to "catch up" to the heat produced by the Geyser.  You won't cool the water, but you will ensure that you get the maximum production from the Geyser, since it can't go overpressure.

Can't you just leave a bit bigger room and let it output all the steam inside, without vacuum, without anything ... just put a water pump and use the hot water that's slowly coming from the steam. As long as the room is something like 10x10 it should be enough to keep it from overpressurizing?

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he easiest way to do that is to ensure that the only possible atmosphere in the Geyser chamber is the Steam itself.  As it cools, it will condense, and between Active periods will maintain vacuum, allowing the Wheezeworts to "catch up" to the heat produced by the Geyser.  You won't cool the water, but you will ensure that you get the maximum production from the Geyser, since it can't go overpressure.

In my case the geyser finish his dormant period before i make vacuum, so i have polluted oxygen at 96.7 degrees on top (where the stubborn germ is) between 0 and 12 kg of steam between (no over presure because the top of the geyser have aprox 1 k of polluted oxygen/ tile) and on botom some nat gas (from my flatulent dupes), some chlorine and lots of CO2.

On top i did't have time to put enough hydrogen before the vent went active and my weezeworts ane stiff  for the moment. 

I make i little exposure for the heat to dissipate. 

13 hours ago, martosss said:

Why would you need vacuum, if the steam vent will create steam and break the vacuum?

Some people want to cool down their water from vents, but some other (like me and @tzionut) want to just condense them. A vacuum will helps to maximize cooling power to condense steam without cooling the water. I've been trying to get 99C water from steam vent but failed, my best record only 95C water. Most cases it is around 92C - 95C.

 

8 hours ago, abud said:

Some people want to cool down their water from vents, but some other (like me and @tzionut) want to just condense them. A vacuum will helps to maximize cooling power to condense steam without cooling the water. I've been trying to get 99C water from steam vent but failed, my best record only 95C water. Most cases it is around 92C - 95C.

Is that because of the 5 degree jump/drop at phase transitions?

8 minutes ago, malloc said:

Is that because of the 5 degree jump/drop at phase transitions?

Most likely, however in theory you could use the 95 degree water to precool the new steam before it hits a condensor surface/object. Thus reducing the amount of Weezeworts (example of cooling source), you need and raising the output water temp to closer to 99.

However, it is hard.

1 hour ago, malloc said:

Is that because of the 5 degree jump/drop at phase transitions?

Yup

1 hour ago, Hellshound38 said:

in theory you could use the 95 degree water to precool the new steam

I've been trying many things to achieve this but looks like too hard for me without occasionally breaking some pipes or accidentally eating some cooling power. In the end, I just humbly accept 92C-95C.

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Just let it live, it is one germ.

I checked again after 20 cycles and I must inform you that the germ is finally dead. The tragic accident  was happened when, encouraged by Nativel, he tried to fight against my flatulent dupes. A natural gas fart pushed it in the insignificant chlorine spot where he sleep for eternity. Rest in peace my little germ.

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