chemie Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 This came up in another post but I thought I should show it with pics So it is not quite infinite as you are limited by your geysers but you can make a lot of power; enough for many bases. Add more H2 pumps as needed for number of electros. H2 gen in back inside to avoid vacuum heating issues. not sure why H2 does not show up well in space...so here is gas overlay..bye bye oxygen with geysers like this (and yes, this is a exploit in that it takes advantage of a game mechanic in a way the developers probably did not intend so let's avoid the 8 page rants on this vs seieve heat deletion) But given where steel, blast doors and solar are, I think this is better late game power generation from space Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92385-infinite-power/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yunru Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 Nice to see what was discussed in action. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92385-infinite-power/#findComment-1053745 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafker Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 Well, I wouldn't call it exploit cause it was it is as you say a game mechanic. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92385-infinite-power/#findComment-1053862 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariilyn Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 Dumping hot materials into space is a valid, intended strategy. But there is a massive waste of precious oxygen/water going on in there. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92385-infinite-power/#findComment-1053876 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevio Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 You could probably even get some extra cooling for your base by passing all that oxygen you're producing over a radiator being heated (indirectly) by an aquatuner. I wonder how well that build handles a power blackout or a lack of water? Does the H2 pumping room get destabilized? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92385-infinite-power/#findComment-1053912 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLance Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 I would assume so, as the Hydrogen tries to fill out the room, it will try to fill the void tiles and deplete itself, but assuming you dont have a blackout etc, then it shouldnt be a problem Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92385-infinite-power/#findComment-1053923 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yunru Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 4 minutes ago, BlueLance said: I would assume so, as the Hydrogen tries to fill out the room, it will try to fill the void tiles and deplete itself, but assuming you dont have a blackout etc, then it shouldnt be a problem Nothing that can't be solved with a little automation. And some airlocks. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92385-infinite-power/#findComment-1053926 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueLance Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 True, doors etc to shut when power fails. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92385-infinite-power/#findComment-1053927 Share on other sites More sharing options...
0xFADE Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 I'd rather give the water to an oil well. You have to boil a lot of it to use up all the oil you get. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92385-infinite-power/#findComment-1053934 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotuck Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 2 hours ago, 0xFADE said: I'd rather give the water to an oil well. You have to boil a lot of it to use up all the oil you get. Agreed, you get more out of the oil and natural gas you produce then the hydrogen Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92385-infinite-power/#findComment-1053981 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurgel Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 I do not see any exploits here. Deleting gas by pumping it into space is entirely valid. And you are water-limited, so this is not overpowered either. Doing it with doors wold have been an exploit. But even for that I do not mind too much, and I use it because it is simple. Alternative would be to build a storage cavern and pump it in there until space is available, but really, this is not an accurate physics-simulation anyways. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92385-infinite-power/#findComment-1053999 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhailRaptor Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, Gurgel said: Doing it with doors wold have been an exploit. I believe the door comment was referring to closing in the oxygen side of the Electrolyzers, not to a door crushing device to delete the gas. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92385-infinite-power/#findComment-1054002 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chemie Posted June 21, 2018 Author Share Posted June 21, 2018 Easy to tie into backbone of power grid so blackout is not a problem. Or you could put a sensor in the water pipe upstream to stop things if the pipe goes empty. Yes, it wastes oxygen but if your base is at 2000g anyway, it is not wasting; it is converting. I agree the water can be used for other things. The point was more around the space void presenting lots of opportunities around power options and of course we have the exploit thread about heat deletion so this was also aimed at that (since you could dump heat into that water at almost the rate that the sieve removes heat in some cases). Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92385-infinite-power/#findComment-1054010 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurgel Posted June 21, 2018 Share Posted June 21, 2018 55 minutes ago, PhailRaptor said: I believe the door comment was referring to closing in the oxygen side of the Electrolyzers, not to a door crushing device to delete the gas. I think so too. What I meant was using a gas crusher to delete the Oxygen would have been an exploit. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92385-infinite-power/#findComment-1054023 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santhor Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 16 hours ago, chemie said: tes oxygen but if your base is at 2000g anyway, it is not wasting; it is converting. I agree the water can be used for other things. The point was more around the space void presenting lots of opportunities around power options and of course we have the exploit thread about heat deletion so this was also aimed at that (since you could dump heat into that water at almost the rate that the sieve removes heat in some cases). Truly the space void offers there some nice concepts, sadly if just looking at the efficient part will still be the oil way superior, hope they change it one day that the steam/solar gets some extra love. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92385-infinite-power/#findComment-1054422 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sevio Posted June 22, 2018 Share Posted June 22, 2018 I'm not sure if it's really the oil by itself that's too powerful. It's oil boiling where things get crazy because you turn 100% oil into petroleum (refinery has an almost 50% loss there) and 100% petroleum to gas which yields more energy than the same mass of petroleum. Petroleum power gives 1 Joule per gram and returns 62.5% mass where gas power gives 8.8 Joules per gram and returns 100% mass. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/92385-infinite-power/#findComment-1054478 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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