BiddoBams Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 So, I want to take a crack at making some basic documentation and tips on the monsters you'll currently face in the Forge! Some of the information here could be subject to speculation and if you have any changes you recommend, please let me know. Pit Pigs Spoiler Targeting Priority: Medium These are the basic minions that spawn during the early wave. Pretty easy to deal with, even with 1-2 people at a time fighting them. However focusing them down as a team will make quick work of them. They will usually waddle over to the nearest player to do a basic attack, they will also charge towards their target from a distance to deal some somewhat decent damage. Crocommanders formerly Crocoviles Spoiler Targeting Priority: High These dweebs are no joke. They will spawn with other minions and perform various moves to inspire and buff them. The more notable being the battle standards which can buff nearby ALL enemies defence. Take the battle standards down as soon as they appear by clicking on them. Get rid of these guys as soon as possible to make sure they don't make the current fights a hassle. Focus them down. They can also perform a ranged spitting attack, which can pick you off from a distance. Be cautious! Battle Standards Spoiler Spawned by the Crocommanders, these standards give buffs to every enemy on the battlefield. They usually break in around 2 hits, so you'd want to focus these above all else. You can tell which and when enemies are receiving buffs because of the glowing signs below their feet. Defence This standard will empower the defence of all enemies on the arena, making them take considerably less damage. The Boarrior will summon these and multiple pit pigs during his battle. The defence buff appears to make enemies take 50% less damage, and it doesn't stack. Damage This standard will make enemies hit harder. Stay clear of the heavy hitters when this banner is in play. Healing This standard will heal all enemies. Take this thing down as soon as it comes up, less you want most of your work undone. Unknown if its gradual healing over time or done via chunks. (the sprites are not exactly the ones in the game, i just whipped them together via tex files) Snortoise formerly Tortank Spoiler Targeting Priority: Low Besides the silly name, these guys aint much of a threat, especially to the range classes. They will slowly meander around towards their target and do a aoe spike attack. After they take damage they can retreat into their shell to avoid all damage taken, but this phase can be skipped by using any kind of stun ability. HOWEVER: When low on HP, these guys will do a devastating spin attack, chasing you around like mental and doing a lot of damage, even killing you if not prepared. Move in a triangle or circular formation since they will always spin towards the direction you're going. When they're in this phase, focus them down since they're a much bigger threat and lower on HP. If they spawn along side other baddies, take these guys out last (if theres like 2), since they don't pose much of a threat when in their slow moving stage. Scorpeon formerly Scourgion formerly Venomeer Spoiler Targeting Priority: High Big evil horrible scorpions, -shudder-. These guys are jerks. They have quite high HP for their size and numbers but nothing a bit of focus fire cant take of. Their attacks are simple yet devastating; they have their basic melee attack like every other however at range they can lob a poison projectile with a large splash zone that can be really hazardous. Try not to group up around these guys from a range and if you do get poisoned, get to the healing flowers ASAP, as it removes debuffs. Boarilla Spoiler Targeting Priority: Medium Hes big and hes angry. This guy hits like a truck, can take hits like a truck and is the size of a truck. Their behaviour is very aggressive. They will focus down their target (usually the person who attacks them or debuffs them) by leaping at them and doing some quite strong swipes, all doing massive amounts of damage. They can be avoided with some finesse and speed boosting armour. These guys never come alone, so make sure you have one guy kiting this guy around whilst the rest of you get rid of his minions ASAP. And when theres two? Pick one and focus it whilst someone else kites the other. Dont try to fight both. Just dont. They will retreat into their armour after taking damage just like the Tortanks, which gives you good time to pull yourselves together. They are suspectable to sleep however can break out of the petrified state VERY fast. Grand Forge Boarrior Spoiler Targeting Priority: Dont panic! This is the big one, hes got two CURVED SWORDS (they look like horns hes yanked out of the head of a great beast... woa nice detail there klei) and hits like a freight train going full speed towards the glass factory. Hes got a myriad of attacks, all that open up as the battle with him progress: Hes got his basic swipe attacks that hit twice, dont get your squishes caught in this He can do a spin attack to damage and knock around anyone near him He can also shove his doomhorns in the ground and yank them up, rending the arena in a trail of fire in his direction. Avoid this at all cost! He will clang his hooks together, spawning banners and pit pigs (possibly time based) (thanks @Zeklo) You want to make sure you fight this guy alone, so get a guy to kite him whilst the rest of you clean up his mess he brings. After that, just focus attacks on him, utilise the healing staffs sleeping aura and healing between bouts and you can topple this giant ham shank in no time. That's all I got for now, to be honest I've only reached the Boar boy a few times, so I'm a bit patchy on some aspects. Please post your feedback and such as I'd love to tweak this! Huge thanks to Instant Noodles for the sprites from this post. Todo: Damage values and HP values, numbers, people! More info on the Boarrior An assessment of tactics More info on which banners do what Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Developer ImDaMisterL Posted October 24, 2017 Developer Share Posted October 24, 2017 Awesome, keep up the awesome work! Thanks for this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeklo Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 I kinda disagree with Venomeer being a higher priority than Boarilla. While Venomeer poison is dangerous they're incredibly slow. Boarilla's speed on the other hand makes them able to harass easily. If you're the last person alive against Venomeer you can drag them away and revive people-not so much the case with Boarilla. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minespatch Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 Venomeer can be wiped out with a few strikes from infernal staff but damn the Boarilla's really bulky.I had a harder time with the Boarilla. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Hastings Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 So I was digging in files.. and I can't find HP value of the final boss O_O After one of the best matches I had with some skilled players (we died of course) I felt like he had only 978,500 HP left... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiddoBams Posted October 24, 2017 Author Share Posted October 24, 2017 4 hours ago, ImDaMisterL said: Awesome, keep up the awesome work! Thanks for this! Thank you 2 hours ago, Zeklo said: I kinda disagree with Venomeer being a higher priority than Boarilla. While Venomeer poison is dangerous they're incredibly slow. Boarilla's speed on the other hand makes them able to harass easily. If you're the last person alive against Venomeer you can drag them away and revive people-not so much the case with Boarilla. I put them as high priority since they're pretty easy to take down, compared to the Boarillas 10,000,000 hp. Easier to focus on the big guys with less dudes scrambling around attempting to poison you Ofc everything here is subject to change, as time goes on 1 hour ago, minespatch said: Venomeer can be wiped out with a few strikes from infernal staff but damn the Boarilla's really bulky.I had a harder time with the Boarilla. Good to know! But yeah, everything in this mode feels like it's bulky as heck. Hence why I put the Venomeers as high targeting priority. Sure the Boarilla is more dangerous but the Venomeers can be dispatched easily even without full focus. (I haven't had a single match so far where everyone worked together ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeklo Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 Not quite sure if it's a one time deal thing or not, but after hitting boarrior lots they clanked their sickles together and banners & pit pigs spawned. Might fall more into waves than the mob itself, but thought I'd bring it up anyway since I'm not sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiddoBams Posted October 24, 2017 Author Share Posted October 24, 2017 4 minutes ago, Zeklo said: Not quite sure if it's a one time deal thing or not, but after hitting boarrior lots they clanked their sickles together and banners & pit pigs spawned. Might fall more into waves than the mob itself, but thought I'd bring it up anyway since I'm not sure. Waves or not, that's pretty important, I'll update the op! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItsPizzaTime Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 11 hours ago, Ashkain said: Todo: More info on the Boarrior Another thing that's pretty brutal, at very low HP (I'm assuming around 25%) he gains a combo attack that carries whoever he is hitting a decent distance backwards and it deals tremendous damage if he lands all his hits. With the best tank armor it does well more than half Wolfgangs HP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fimmatek Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 11 hours ago, Ashkain said: The more notable being the battle standards which can buff nearby enemies defence. As to my experiences, not only nearby, but all enemies get buffed if there is a standard. I often had situations where we were on one side of the arena with all the mobs and a single battle standard left on the other side caused us deal much less damage. Nice summary, well done Ashkain! On a side note, I don't think we'll ever get exact hp values, as the files of this event seem to be quite hidden. I guess it's because this time real rewards depend on the game and that's why Klei doesn't want us to take advantage of this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlZalph Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 26 minutes ago, fimmatek said: I don't think we'll ever get exact hp values, as the files of this event seem to be quite hidden. They're not hidden, they just aren't there. Klei opted to do the server-client model wherein their servers have the files but our clients do not. We don't get any of the AI logic, game logic, etc. Just the bare parts needed for us to render and have things sent to the server properly for weapon events and such. This also allows them to make any tuning and fixes as needed on their end without needing to push any patches to the Steam servers, and likewise requiring us to update as well- this requires them to still restart the servers on their end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeklo Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 So is the flame uproot literally unavoidable? I was the designated "runner", and even with all speed items I couldn't get out of its range quick enough. EDIT: Got my first Boarrior kill today! Looks like the Pit Pig summon is based on their health, and thankfully a one time thing. They'll also start charging after players followed by an attack. Luckily my team, despite being randos, were amazing with their interrupts. EDIT: Third kill in, and I'm just now realizing he also has what looks to be a chain-combo of three attacks. Honestly kinda hard to tell when you're in the heat of battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiddoBams Posted October 27, 2017 Author Share Posted October 27, 2017 I've updated the OP with all known info on the battle standards. If we could get some values that'd be super however I can't find anything in the code, so in game research would need to be done! I'll try to get some next time I play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhOostNight Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 thanks a lot for the info, I was wondering when the slurtoise start their spinning, and it was the one I was focus first when they appear to prevent them from spinning all at the same time. Well, how wrong I was I've got to the boarrior a couple of times, but never beat it, I have always someone on the team that is lagging, or someone who leaves, or that random guy that attack both boarilla at the same time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeklo Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 So I was trying to pay extra attention to when the Battle Standards were up. The shield one seems to half incoming damage to enemies—this doesn't stack if there are two of them up. People can feel free to confirm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiddoBams Posted October 28, 2017 Author Share Posted October 28, 2017 59 minutes ago, Zeklo said: So I was trying to pay extra attention to when the Battle Standards were up. The shield one seems to half incoming damage to enemies—this doesn't stack if there are two of them up. People can feel free to confirm. Just hopped on, I can confirm this! Just need to know if the buff is always active, or only active when they have those marks under their feet (though, those marks look like teeth so they're probably tied to the damage buff) Either way, thanks for the help! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xedlord Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 On Tuesday, October 24, 2017 at 11:12 AM, Ashkain said: Slurtoise (i think?) formerly Tortank *Snortoise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiddoBams Posted October 28, 2017 Author Share Posted October 28, 2017 Just now, Xedlord said: *Snortoise Thanks. I knew I messed one of the new names up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xedlord Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Just now, Ashkain said: Thanks. I knew I messed one of the new names up Your welcome! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeklo Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 Pit Boar - 25 dmgCrocommanders - 40 dmgSnortoises - 50 dmgScorpeon - 70 dmg(Acid might deal like 5 on impact, 70 in DOT. Kind of hard to tell)Boarilla - 150 dmgBoarrior - 200 dmg HP is gonna be a lot harder to nail. Probably gonna need a match dedicated solely to that, and even then it'll be difficult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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