[Game Update] - 234418

[Cheerio]

• Exosuit Dock should no longer fail to charge a suit if the attached pipe is empty
• Morbs should now be trappable
• Oil Well meter should now work
• Plants should no longer look offset when using Rotated Farm Tiles
• Increased Polymer Press conversion rate
• Decor Overlay should no longer reveal items in the fog of war
• Ruin doors should now properly reveal fog of war when opened
• Fixed a bug where the research screen could scroll infinitely

 

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[Lifegrow]

Excellent work on the updates, out of interest what are the new values of the polymer press?

*Edit* Nevermind, I just checked - 500g/s really? Do you mind making my steam geysers give me 100kg/s too whilst you're at it  

Edited September 26, 2017 by Lifegrow

[Risu]

The suit locker's conduit consumer is still missing a capacity to keep it from making 400 kg oxygen bottles.
And it's still costing 600W and 5 kg of water to make 1 kg of oil, making every oil product completely unreasonable to make.

Which by the way means the best case scenario for the oil refinery is that the power spent on the oil input is 6240W. Add to that the 480W from the refinery itself, you spend 1344W per 1 kg of petrol. It just keeps compounding from there.
 

Edited September 26, 2017 by Risu

[Michi01]

29 minutes ago, Cheerio said:

Increased Polymer Press conversion rate

It also only needs 240 W now (it used to be 480 W, I'm not misremembering that, right?).
Heat production is the same, idk about CO2 and steam but those don't really matter.

Edited September 26, 2017 by Michi01

[Speadge]

Hey @Cheerio,

since yesterday i get a crash on the very same cycle just after loading (1/2 cycle into the game) (cycle 348)

happened with

234175
234293
234418

so i uploaded my last few tries hoping you could have a look into it or at least tell how to avoid it.
since im having oil refining running, i am not sure if it hast sth to do with the new features or else - but it sucks that i cant continue playing after all.

heres hope you could give me some feedback on this.

Thanks

 

 

Edited September 26, 2017 by Speadge

[goboking]

2 hours ago, Michi01 said:

It also only needs 240 W now (it used to be 480 W, I'm not misremembering that, right?).
Heat production is the same, idk about CO2 and steam but those don't really matter.

Speak for yourself.  I have no use for steam and every watt spent to dispose of the stuff is a wasted watt. 

[Lifegrow]

1 hour ago, turbonl64 said:

I think the quantity (of the polymer press, not the sarcastic request) is fair given all the trouble you have to go through. Remember that a single plastic tile still costs 100kg. That's 200s to produce enough plastic for one single plastic tile, and given the game encourages you to build these as it gives a 50% speed increase, compared to normal tiles only giving 25%,  it will take a long while to get any effect out of it.

The "sarcastic request" was in response to the usual dumbing down of the game to accommodate whining members of the community  

Yes it was a much lower throughput before, however again - it made it felt like a late game resource, something to strive towards, something to build up an infrastructure to support. Now you could build your entire base out of plastic by only tapping into one small pocket of oil if you so desire - converting oil to plastic at a 1:1.7 ratio doesn't seem right to me. Meh, whatever - personally I like a challenge.

[Botaxalim]

This oil-plastic is too much engineering for contain the waste output they produce, can we get output pipe?

, making specialize room for them thus require dupe labor is too complicated ,

and end product its not wise balance for end game stuff

suit not needing plastic , its end game stuff there, but we can built it on early on

Animal trapper its useless when the time we already reach end game and trap all hatch without it

 

[Reaniel]

You still can't drop off slickter in the new patch, and the game crashes when you trap a morb.

Both bugs reported.

[Lifegrow]

Just now, turbonl64 said:

Given all the oil usually is near the bottom of the map, I don't see how plastic is not a late game resource. Also again: one polymer press will only be able to produce 300kg per cycle. That's 3 plastic tiles. These polymer presses neither are easy to manage with the heat they produce, so there's a challenge in that as well. Finally, although the oil fields are abundant on their own, ultimately if oil wells are left ignored they will dry up. And tapping into oiil wells is very costly concerning water. Regardless of the ratio, that is for me a proper challenge. Accepting the challenge and going through the effort should atleast give an appropiate reward, else plastic will generally be left alone. In the current state the game is, I would not even bother with plastic on a new game. Although I mentioned the game tries to encourage you to use it, it can be fully ignored and is perhaps advisable to do so.

 

(That being said, I'll probably swill produce tons of it just to get my high tech polymer base.)

I can only assume you've not really played with the new oil-related tech yet then... It's incredibly easy to cool if you exploit the gasses the machines output. I.e. condensing the steam that the press creates is instant water cooling, without having to deliver any water. 2-3 wheezeworts below a floor of granite tiles would suffice quite nicely actually. 

As regards oil being "late game" because you have to dig for it.... come on now. A one ladder shaft dug out 3 tiles wide and you're there in 15 cycles max. 

[The Plum Gate]

3 hours ago, Speadge said:

 

since yesterday i get a crash on the very same cycle just after loading (1/2 cycle into the game) (cycle 348)

happened with

234175
234293
234418

so i uploaded my last few tries hoping you could have a look into it or at least tell how to avoid it.
since im having oil refining running, i am not sure if it hast sth to do with the new features or else - but it sucks that i cant continue playing after all.

If you can get into debug mode, try destroying / deconstructing your oil well, and the oil refinery. This may not be the definitive solution, but it may help isolate the issue. 

[Lifegrow]

1 minute ago, turbonl64 said:

I can only assume you are assuming too much . My set up is a polymer inside an ice biome, filled with hydrogen, 4 wheezeworts and a radiator filled with oil. Is it easy concerning concept? Of course, but that's just about everything in ONI. But, I had to sacrifice 4 wheeze worts which I otherwise am using to cool off my base and I had to set up pipes all the way from my electrolyzers to said ice biome. That's troublesome. Yes the notion troublesome is subjective, but compared to basically anything else in ONI, that is troublesome.

As regards because you have to dig for it: sure, I'll let my dupes dig a hole while neglecting ev-er-y-thing else. I do not think your primary concern when a new game starts, is plastic. Before all other needs are forfilled, it's already late game. Plastic is not a priority among having oxygen and food, it's not a priority among power, it's not among plumbing, it's not among ventilating. If you look at all of your available buildings on the tech tree, oil and affiliated structures will probably be the very last things you are going to use. In my eyes, that's end game.

Also does not disprove my point that plastic is not enough of a reward at the current moment.

Ice biome? Hydrogen? Radiator? Madness.

Granite floor, 3 wheezeworts, whatever gas is in the room (other than maybe chlorine), a pump and you're done  Trickle your freshly condensed water over your press at one end of your granite floor, collect it at the other end. CO2 pipe connected to a high pressure vent within the same room can keep the room pressurised too..

Seriously over-engineering a problem does not make it troublesome - flawed designs do.

This crap is easy to set up, but so many people have deemed it "hard" that folks are starting to believe it  

As regards finding your oil, if you're digging a 3 wide hole you're only at most utilizing 3 dupes as a general rule - providing your storages are set to sweep only. It's a perfect early game strategy as it's also your CO2 sink in one functional hole  

 

[Risu]

This math is somewhat amusing. It costs 271999.991W and 1666.666 kg of water to make a plastic tile.
 

[Lifegrow]

2 minutes ago, Risu said:

This math is somewhat amusing. It costs 271999.991W and 1666.666 kg of water to make a plastic tile.
 

Based on using oil exclusively pumped from an oil reservoir? (i.e. the capping/pressurising)

[trukogre]

6 minutes ago, Risu said:

This math is somewhat amusing. It costs 271999.991W and 1666.666 kg of water to make a plastic tile.
 

I don't know why you insist on assuming that everything made from oil comes from an oil well.  I take a different approach.  I assume that oil wells as currently implemented are set to values that make them useless, and all my oil comes from slicksters.  I measure all oil products in slickster farts.  How many slicksterfarts to power a pet. generator for a cycle?  How many slicksterfarts per plastic tile?  If you say it fast it sounds German and very technical.  it reminds me of Slartibartfast, also.  What a guy he was.

[Risu]

1 hour ago, trukogre said:

I don't know why you insist on assuming that everything made from oil comes from an oil well.  I take a different approach.  I assume that oil wells as currently implemented are set to values that make them useless, and all my oil comes from slicksters.  I measure all oil products in slickster farts.  How many slicksterfarts to power a pet. generator for a cycle?  How many slicksterfarts per plastic tile?  If you say it fast it sounds German and very technical.  it reminds me of Slartibartfast, also.  What a guy he was.

Using only slicksters the power cost of a plastic tile is 71999.99904W and theoretically 266.667 farts.
Theoretically 2880 farts to run the generator for a cycle.
 

Edited September 27, 2017 by Risu
Forgot to adjust for output mass

[SchlauFuchs]

2880? All the slicksters int the colony together would not run a generator a cycle then...

Devs, tune please!

[Risu]

3 minutes ago, SchlauFuchs said:

2880? All the slicksters int the colony together would not run a generator a cycle then...

Devs, tune please!

It'd realistically be less as the mass in each fart is relative. That number is the absolute max.
 

[Lifegrow]

@Cheerio - The "FULL INFO" tab for diseases... absolutely beautiful. Any chance there could be more info or different terminology for "Breath Change" - it's a bit of a vague term imo.

[GrindThisGame]

On 9/26/2017 at 5:56 PM, trukogre said:

How many slicksterfarts to power a pet. generator for a cycle

I bet this sentence has never been used before in the history of humans.

[trukogre]

2 hours ago, GrindThisGame said:

I bet this sentence has never been used before in the history of humans.

Originality is nice but it's not everything. If the revision to oil wells had happened a bit quicker this whole conversation would never have happened, so let's not forget to give Providence her due.

[Kolascay]

Klei seems pretty obsessed with oil/tar recently. I wonder why... (images of deep-sea drilling and dead fish carcasses emerge from background)

[minespatch]

10 minutes ago, Master Jand said:

Klei seems pretty obsessed with oil/tar recently. I wonder why... (images of deep-sea drilling and dead fish carcasses emerge from background)

First mushrooms, now tar. Weird.