This is the game I would've made long ago if people cared....

[Developous]

I cannot prove this except if you trust me in the first place. For many years, I've had this crazy hazmat fad trying to make a game that is based on that in a positive way. But the problem wasn't the game - but how uncaring everyone else was. There was nobody that cared except for their own wealth and power.

Now the game has arrived, and my reputation is at stake. Oxygen not included, had a person just pointed out such a revolutionary game even by basis of alternate concepts, and this game would've been one of the first profitable creations of my legacy. All it would've taken is a few people to point out not to make mechanics based on the equipment but on the atmosphere, a bit more support for my ideals, and a few well-supported lessons, and this game would've been in my hands.

I've had this hazmat fad ever since I began realizing just how corrupt most game companies really are. It came slowly at first, but about 5 years ago, it had culminated in a rejected game called hazmatica. If only my parents, when I got my first pc... had sold a few of my games. But they didn't and nobody guided me down the path of business.

So, realizing the corruption, I was forced down the path of defining myself as the highest exception to the usual rules and regulations. And now, with that info, who would you place your faith and respect in? The mods/admins who only care about their bottom line, or someone who's ascended to attacking the foundations of belief itself, governed by sound principles over law and authority?

I'd estimate I had an idea like this for at least 5 years. And yes, I'm old enough to remember when there was no internet.

[Beowulfe]

EDIT: Are you advertising your project, or requesting to take over the creative development of Oxygen Not Included? I can't tell. If it's the latter, continue reading. If it's the former, most of this post won't apply, but this isn't the place for an advertisement post anyway.

 

Hate to tell you this - but ideas are a dime a dozen. Development, creation, and forming that idea into something tangible is the difficult part. Even if you did have a similar idea (which, to my understanding, it only sounds similar on the most superficial of levels), you haven't taken the steps to develop that into a game, nor do you have the backing to do so.

Do you honestly believe you have more knowledge, ability, and experience than the development team? Are you truly that naive?

One of the most valuable experiences in life is learning that when you believe you know everything there is to know, you have more to learn than ever.

 

I'm not saying this to be mean, but to hopefully make you understand that there's a lot more to the development process than an idea - and one of the most important aspects of that development is working with a team. Immediately requesting that you take over the suggestion/creative development side of a project without any showing of experience or open discussion with that very team isn't the best approach to take. In fact, most of your post (especially your poll choices) come across as relatively hostile towards that very team you'd be working with.

[Donke60]

3 hours ago, Developous said:

I cannot prove this except if you trust me in the first place. For many years, I've had this crazy hazmat fad trying to make a game that is based on that in a positive way. But the problem wasn't the game - but how uncaring everyone else was. There was nobody that cared except for their own wealth and power.

Now the game has arrived, and my reputation is at stake. Oxygen not included, had a person just pointed out such a revolutionary game even by basis of alternate concepts, and this game would've been one of the first profitable creations of my legacy. All it would've taken is a few people to point out not to make mechanics based on the equipment but on the atmosphere, a bit more support for my ideals, and a few well-supported lessons, and this game would've been in my hands.

I've had this hazmat fad ever since I began realizing just how corrupt most game companies really are. It came slowly at first, but about 5 years ago, it had culminated in a rejected game called hazmatica. If only my parents, when I got my first pc... had sold a few of my games. But they didn't and nobody guided me down the path of business.

So, realizing the corruption, I was forced down the path of defining myself as the highest exception to the usual rules and regulations. And now, with that info, who would you place your faith and respect in? The mods/admins who only care about their bottom line, or someone who's ascended to attacking the foundations of belief itself, governed by sound principles over law and authority?

I'd estimate I had an idea like this for at least 5 years. And yes, I'm old enough to remember when there was no internet.

You could've of still made the game if people didn't care. You could of lead yourself down the path of buisness for it is up to you to make the choices that will make your life be what it will be or what is even if you don't realize it. I honestly have no idea why you decided to put your idea for your "game" here I don't think this is the place for it . It sounds like your blaming this game for taking your games ideas. Which is impossible and you can still make your game you well just have to make it better or make it anyway to give yourself closure. I'm sorry but blaming others for your misfortune when they have very little to do with it is rather silly.

 

[Lifegrow]

14 minutes ago, Beowulfe said:

Hate to tell you this - but ideas are a dime a dozen.

Drops mic. Leaves.

[Lifegrow]

Actually my previous post might have been too gentle, what the hell even is this thread?  

[Donke60]

3 hours ago, Lifegrow said:

Actually my previous post might have been too gentle, what the hell even is this thread?  

You tell me and I'll give you a dime.

[ohhi]

Quote

Will you let me take charge of suggestions?

Are you looking for a moderator role or you desperately want your suggestions 100% developed into the game?

If it's the latter, then please see: https://www.kleientertainment.com/careers

[minespatch]

3 hours ago, Beowulfe said:

Hate to tell you this - but ideas are a dime a dozen.

3 hours ago, Lifegrow said:

Drops mic. Leaves.

Cue the "supa hot fire" audio.

 

[Saturnus]

@Developous I am in fact head of development for my company. It's not software or game related but consumer electronics, so in most cases development is a far more expensive and longer process than for software and games. Everyone, literally everyone, has ideas, some are good, some are bad but even the best ideas themselves are worthless unless there is someone who sees the potential and is willing to develop the idea into a tangible result. It seems to me you failed to recognize the potential of your own idea (which I can assure you many had before you) and failed to take step to develop it into something tangible. You may excuse this any way you like, that you didn't have the resources or others didn't see the potential but that is all your own failings. If you believe strongly enough in your idea, you plan a strategy and you work to get the resources you need. This may involve having to convince others of the value of your idea, if that is hard then you have not worked hard enough on fleshing out and demonstrating the value of your idea.

[AlexRou]

https://store.unity.com/download?ref=personal

https://unity3d.com/learn/tutorials/topics/interface-essentials

https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa288436(v=vs.71).aspx

 

https://www.blender.org/download/

https://cgcookie.com/course/blender-basics/

 

https://www.gimp.org/downloads/

https://www.gimp.org/tutorials/

 

http://incompetech.com/music/royalty-free/

https://www.freesound.org/

 

https://www.youtube.com/user/periodicvideos

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCoxcjq-8xIDTYp3uz647V5A

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9-y-6csu5WGm29I7JiwpnA

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAL3JXZSzSm8AlZyD3nQdBA

https://www.youtube.com/user/enyay

 

If you really think your ideas are that good, go make your own game, every tool/resource you need is available legally for free. The only thing you ever need is time and a computer with internet. Everything else can be obtained from google.

If you truly believe in your ideas, this is the only way to show people that they work. No one is going to even listen to someone who suggest 10000 ideas for a game he didn't even play/buy and just watch a few youtube videos. Even if you played the game, it is hard for you to express your ideas in a way people understand. So the only way for you to get your point across is to make a game and show people exactly what do you mean.

You also need to go study basic chemistry/physics and how things work in general as you have shown to lack a understanding of the world which is why many of your ideas does not make sense to people. Whenever you have an idea, first go google how would it work in the real world before you start doing anything. If you want to make a game with your own rules/laws then you can ignore how the world works, but for suggesting ideas to a game that is not yours, you need to play by the rules of the game. If the game is realistic then make sure your idea make sense in the real world. If the game has people turning coal into gold then follow the rules of that game. If you're only going to watch a few youtube videos you won't get a proper understanding of the rules and how things work. You also won't see the same problems as someone that actually played the game. Even if you copied what someone did in a youtube video it will not help you with ideas unless you understand why. The important thing is you need to figure things out on your own to truly understand why it is being done that way, what is the problem you are trying to solve. Only by understanding the rules of the game will your ideas start to make sense.

[minespatch]

5 hours ago, Developous said:

I cannot prove this except if you trust me in the first place. 

If you're making the thread, you might want to ask a mod to move it to Off-topic like @ImDaMisterL or @LadyD

[PVD]

What's a problem? Create game, I'll play one more. Want to join dev team? Pm them. Want to create a mod? C# .dll is always open to you. Want to do nothing and only to speak? Okay, you are doing well

[Developous]

I wasn't asking to make the game, I was asking to mod the suggestions area. Sorry for that confusion.

[Kasuha]

29 minutes ago, Developous said:

I was asking to mod the suggestions area.

These forums belong to Klei. It's up to their decision who they'll make a mod. Asking forum visitors and making a public poll about it has no sense in my opinion. If you want to become a mod, show Klei how mature and responsible you are.

 

[3tamatulg]

This is satire, right?

[Calahan]

Speaking as someone who has been a moderator on several forums over the past decade. One of the most guaranteed ways of making sure you will never be asked to be a moderator, is to ask to be a moderator. If an official announcement is posted asking for volunteers for the position of moderator, then that is completely different of course. But making a thread out of the blue asking to be a moderator (which I have seen many times) is generally considered a huge red flag in terms of someone's moderator credentials.

In which case making a thread asking for the community to support your desire to be a moderator (which I have never seen before), and asking people to trust you to, by the sounds of it, run an important sub-forum (which is totally crazy given, amongst many other things, that you've only been a member of the community for ~3 weeks) is.... I'm not sure what it is actually. But at the least it's a huge red flag adorned with all the bells and whistles in the shop while being accompanied by a three piece marching band. For obvious reasons I am reminded of the early Simpsons episode where Homer goes to buy an RV and the guy checks his credit rating.

IMO the presence of this thread alone is enough to cast overwhelming doubt on your suitability to ever be a moderator. Plus I have never known anyone who has created a "I want to be a moderator" thread to actually be entrusted with such a position. Ever. And this thread is far worse than that in terms of being a red flag. So whatever your chances of becoming a moderator were before you made this thread, have been reduced to zero simply by the act of creating it. 

All IMO of course (but as I said a the start, I have been a forum moderator on and off, mostly on, for a number of years, so I'm speaking with some experience of how forum moderators are generally, and generally not, selected. And I highly doubt Klei's forums operate in a totally different manner to other reputable forums, so the same MO likely applies here).

 

1 hour ago, Kasuha said:

If you want to become a mod, show Klei how mature and responsible you are.

That ship sailed when this thread was created

[Developous]

I guess you don't understand how valuable golden intents really are. In this case, while your right about trust, there's practically no risk whatsoever based on that nature. I would find it unthinkable to think on the bad side of the equation, so, Calahan, your concerns, while rather valid, are not exactly a red flag - but possibly a yellow flag. Which means caution is advisable. But that's the catch - just asking indicates that I want to respect this society.

So, why have suspicion in the first place? It makes absolutely no sense to me, especially knowing how golden my intents are.

But my nature, that's the dangerous part - is defined by the exceptions in everything. So, the real question is whether you can stand the pain or not.

[Donke60]

3 hours ago, Developous said:

I guess you don't understand how valuable golden intents really are. In this case, while your right about trust, there's practically no risk whatsoever based on that nature. I would find it unthinkable to think on the bad side of the equation, so, Calahan, your concerns, while rather valid, are not exactly a red flag - but possibly a yellow flag. Which means caution is advisable. But that's the catch - just asking indicates that I want to respect this society.

So, why have suspicion in the first place? It makes absolutely no sense to me, especially knowing how golden my intents are.

But my nature, that's the dangerous part - is defined by the exceptions in everything. So, the real question is whether you can stand the pain or not.

Just because your asking nicely doesn't mean your get the job. You could be the nicest person in the world but that doesn't mean your get what you want.
We have suspicions because you haven't been on the forums long and come out of the blue asking to be a mod in a rather confusing way.

Then the last part idk understand you can say what you want with grace and high-class all you want on how respectable and how pure your intent is but if no one can understand you it falls on deaf ears. Since you are asking to be a moderator the question is rather.

• Can you handle the responsibility
• Will you  abuse your power
• Do you have experience 

The question of do "we" think your make a good mod doesn't mean anything cause we don't make the decision
@ImDaMisterL or @tehMugwump will you handle this if you can?

[Developous]

1. I can easily handle the responsibility. In fact, I'm so powerful intellectually that I can even back this society with the evolution of regulations. The dawn of valid principles. That way, not even intellectuals can challenge us and be justified - on grounds higher than even the justice system of this community.

But that's the catch. I don't like responsibility. I am more a behind the scenes kind of guy. I only ask this because this is one of my dream games, a virtual utopia for me.

2. This depends on your impressions of what's abusive or not. While I am adamant on my sense of freedoms, even if their disrespectful, the key here is a battle of valid principles. So, the most likely form of abuse, and the only real big reason I could abuse such, is due to how firm I am with my principles.

So, don't ask if I'm abusive, but ask whether we're on the same mental wavelength instead. I'm like a siphon, willing to accept anything, but that bottom piece is the catch - very thin!

3. Sorry, not really. And yes, I know that's a disaster just waiting to happen.

[Last Templar]

Guys give the guy a break, Developous made a thread and although he seems a bit confused to me he has never insulted anyone, nor do I have the feeling he neads to be moderated, the mods have been tagged enough in this thread and I am sure they will take action if they feel it is necessary.

[AlexRou]

@Developous I think you need to find a friend that you can ask "does this post make sense" before posting anything. Not trying to be mean or anything but every post you've made, sometimes it can take multiple back and forth replies before someone even starts to understand what are you talking about.

If you could really find such a friend, it would help reduce most of the frustration you and the readers have and help people understand what are you trying to get across. 

[ImDaMisterL]

First, let me explain some things to you. From your poll options, you seem to think mods have a say in what Klei ends up doing or not doing. That is not true. Us mods were just a few chosen individuals that Klei trusted enough to help take care of these forums we've participated in and loved for a while. Moderators aren't any more special than a user like you or anyone else, the only difference is that we have a few more control over the forums themselves.

To sum it up, as a mod I can't say what goes into the game or not, even if I really (dis)like something.

Secondly, as far as I know these forums do not have the option to assign moderators to certain subforums, so you couldn't possibly only moderate ONI Suggestions and Feedback, but all subforums that currently exist.

1 hour ago, Developous said:

just asking indicates that I want to respect this society.

Not necessarily, you could simply be trying to get a higher amount of forum control to abuse certain features, it's hard to know.

1 hour ago, Developous said:

especially knowing how golden my intents are.

Although not a requirement, that's why usually old community members are made into mods, because thanks to their participation and activity Klei sees they actually have good intentions, while it's harder to tell from new members. I'm definitely not saying you have bad intentions, just that it's hard to tell if that's true or not at the moment.

39 minutes ago, Developous said:

But that's the catch. I don't like responsibility, I am more a behind the scenes kind of guy

Sorry to say, but being a moderator comes with a lot of that. All mods, even if not active anymore, were really active in the beginning. It's kind of weird to ask to be a mod if you don't want to have the work of a mod. People will reach out to you, and wanting or not, you just won't be able to stay behind the scenes.

39 minutes ago, Developous said:

is due to how firm I am with my principles.

The guidelines are the golden rules of the forums, if a post doesn't go acording to your principles but it doesn't break anything in the guidelines then you should by no means act against it.

[Calahan]

1 hour ago, Developous said:

I guess you don't understand how valuable golden intents really are. In this case, while your right about trust, there's practically no risk whatsoever based on that nature. I would find it unthinkable to think on the bad side of the equation, so, Calahan, your concerns, while rather valid, are not exactly a red flag - but possibly a yellow flag. Which means caution is advisable. But that's the catch - just asking indicates that I want to respect this society.

So, why have suspicion in the first place? It makes absolutely no sense to me, especially knowing how golden my intents are.

But my nature, that's the dangerous part - is defined by the exceptions in everything. So, the real question is whether you can stand the pain or not.

You are right I do not understand how valuable golden intents are, entirely because I have no idea what a golden intent is, and a Google search provides no hits. So it's quite understandable for someone to not know about a random term you use, and by the looks of it is either a term only you use, you made up, or a term you are confusing with something else ("good intentions" perhaps?). Or all of the above.

The points I raised are absolutely red flags, and if you don't think that's true then it just illustrates my points further. It also strongly suggests you have never been a moderator, as again if you had been you would understand the red flags (and getting redder) you are raising in every post you've made on this thread.

You say that asking to be a moderator is a sign that you want to respect the community. And maybe that is the way it appears to you. But it doesn't work that way. Usually quite the opposite actually. Plus how you appear to yourself is not important in this regard, and is probably even irrelevant. As all that matters is how you appear to other people, and how you are coming across to other people in this community. So here is an abridged version of how you are coming across in this thread from the communities perspective.

"Hello I am totally new to your community, but I think I would be the perfect person to be given an important job. It is actually my dream job. So I would like the community to please vote positively to indicate your trust in me, and to help me get the important job I want"

The above does not make a good impression on others, and no amount of words or golden intents (whatever they are) is going to alter this impression. Words are just words, and anyone can say them, and people often do say them for personal gain. You have no long established history of being helpful in the community (to put it mildly), so there is no way of knowing if you are just trying to gain a position of authority for personal gain. Hence caution and suspicion as to your motives. (and as I said, words are just words, and indicate little). 

As such suspicion is not only warranted, but also absolutely necessary. Plus you say there is no risk, when in fact there is significant risk. Since you are asking for a position of authority, and depending on what tools the moderators on this forum have access to, you are asking to be given the power to, amongst other things, delete posts / threads, ban users, erase users, edit other users posts, and other possible powers besides. As such a rogue moderator could do untold damage to a forum and the community (edit - and maybe even the development of the game) in a very short amount of time, which is why the position is usually only given to long established members / pillars of a community, who have earned the trust of both the community and those who own / manage it. Neither of these apply to you, or to any new member. Since lets not forget you are a total stranger to the community. No, not just a total stranger, but a total stranger who is suddenly asking to be given a position of authority. If you don't see why all this doesn't deserve caution and entails significant risk, and as I've said, why it instantly raises numerous red flags (and counting), then I guess you have a few things to learn, and probably not just in relation to moderating / forum management.

I will bow-out here I think as I have said all I need to say, and I suspect further discussion with the OP on my part is likely to go nowhere productive.

[Lifegrow]

It's times like this that I wish, so much - with all my heart - that the term "political correctness" was never coined.

This thread should have been locked, archived, and buried a long time ago and treated as the blatant cavalcade of nonsense that it so clearly is. 

Jeepers creepers guys, i'm all for freedom of speech, but get a grip  

[Last Templar]

Americans and freedom of speech, no offense meant, but there are also words such as tolerance and respect......