DVGMedia Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 so in a recent hotfix there were qoute on quote bugs that where changed that have been within the game for years now but no one had ever said anything about due how it wasn't really a bug at all but a technique in itself that had its own pros and cons. main one I will be talking about is the dual lantern and tool equip mechanic on how it shouldn't have been removed. It was initially removed cause it was reported as a bug to developers cause it essentially made the game "easier" however that is not true. as doing this causes the player not capable to interact with their inventory while performing this so yeah you get your two handed tool and light but you arent able to eat fuel your light or equip anything while doing it while however say if you had a miners hat you don't have to worry about the inventory lock the lantern had done thus making it a viable option that should stay in since it is so small and also has pros and cons to itself thus making it a viable strategy within the games mechanics. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/75196-why-the-lantern-bug-didnt-need-to-get-fixed/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty_Mentos Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 It was never really unbalanced what he means, its oddly a perfectly balanced bug, almost like a feature, but then some rand'o guy just notices it and starts to report this issue that's not even an issue. You gotta have some skill to actually properly use this combo Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/75196-why-the-lantern-bug-didnt-need-to-get-fixed/#findComment-875951 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Tarunio Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 And you could not even eat with hot keys, it was a perfect balance. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/75196-why-the-lantern-bug-didnt-need-to-get-fixed/#findComment-875953 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fimmatek Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 Well, we could ask the developers to put it back, right? Couldn't be difficult or time-consuming. Actually, I learnt this feature not so long ago and really liked it. I'd vote for getting it back. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/75196-why-the-lantern-bug-didnt-need-to-get-fixed/#findComment-875956 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty_Mentos Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 Depends on them and the numbers of people who want it back, cuz this fix is just rediculous Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/75196-why-the-lantern-bug-didnt-need-to-get-fixed/#findComment-875965 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvidae Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 Getting some utility out of a bug doesn't mean that it's not a bug. If the developers want to make this a proper feature, they'd want to add an off-hand slot (say, either above or to the right of the existing one) and have the character say something like "my hands are full, I should put one of my tools away" when attempting to interact with the rest of the hotbar. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/75196-why-the-lantern-bug-didnt-need-to-get-fixed/#findComment-875971 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apchi Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 What are you talking about? Return bug to game? I don't like bugs. Bugs make the game look worse. I still don't understand why I can so easily catch koalefant when he stuck in the corner and keep running to the sea and why it still wasn't fixed. I mean.. it's okay, but it looks like it wasn't supposed to be like that. Anyway lantern bug fixed and It's awesome. It's not that case when "It's not a bug, It's feature". IMHO. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/75196-why-the-lantern-bug-didnt-need-to-get-fixed/#findComment-875974 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auth Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 This was the entire reason the mining helmet/moggles was made. Sacrifice rain protection/armor/warmth/cold for the ability to have light on the go as you do things. All you have to do is place your lantern on the ground and pick it back up again. Sheesh. This was not a "strategy", this was not an "advanced technique for advanced players", this was a manipulation of the game for an unintended effect of the developers, also known as "exploiting". If this was a feature it would've been recognized by Klei and wouldn't have been fixed. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/75196-why-the-lantern-bug-didnt-need-to-get-fixed/#findComment-875989 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrFurphie Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 Might I bring either @ScottHansen Or @V2C To help with this discussion? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/75196-why-the-lantern-bug-didnt-need-to-get-fixed/#findComment-875995 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty_Mentos Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 Point taken, poo-post should end now before a trainwreck happens :I Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/75196-why-the-lantern-bug-didnt-need-to-get-fixed/#findComment-876003 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mochilo Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 2017. People asking to get a glitch back. You could also just try not to get used to using glitches in your regular playstyle. That way you will not miss them when they get fixed, and you will not be, lets call it, a glitch exploiter Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/75196-why-the-lantern-bug-didnt-need-to-get-fixed/#findComment-876007 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvidae Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 2 minutes ago, mochilo said: 2017. People asking to get a glitch back. To be fair, the Overtime bug was some great stuff and I'm glad Valve re-implemented it as a server configuration option. But that's not a bug that affects gameplay, so... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/75196-why-the-lantern-bug-didnt-need-to-get-fixed/#findComment-876009 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mochilo Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 2 minutes ago, Corvidae said: To be fair, the Overtime bug was some great stuff and I'm glad Valve re-implemented it as a server configuration option. But that's not a bug that affects gameplay, so... There are more examples of bugs that became a feature later, actually. But yeah this is not the case and we don't want to give OP more arguments he could turn in his favour, do we :v Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/75196-why-the-lantern-bug-didnt-need-to-get-fixed/#findComment-876013 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corvidae Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 Just now, mochilo said: There are more examples of bugs that became a feature later, actually. But yeah this is not the case and we don't want to give OP more arguments he could turn in his favour, do we :v I actually don't mind the idea of the whole offhand lantern thing becoming a feature, but I am highly against sticking the bug back in as-is. I suppose that's the line between these sorts of things. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/75196-why-the-lantern-bug-didnt-need-to-get-fixed/#findComment-876015 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyJam Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 I didn't even know this bug existed... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/75196-why-the-lantern-bug-didnt-need-to-get-fixed/#findComment-876034 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DVGMedia Posted March 1, 2017 Author Share Posted March 1, 2017 1 hour ago, Weirdobob said: this was a manipulation of the game for an unintended effect of the developers, also known as "exploiting". its part of the game though so it should be open to usage though each has their pros and cons miner hat you have the mobility but restrict a headgear so you cant wear head armor or head warming items. moggles have the same restrictions except that you can see further than the light radius of the minerhat with the lantern tech you can opt to have special headgear with your hand item but cant use any of your inventory so i think its actually a balanced bug that should stay in and to people who say that bugs make the game look bad take a look at melee which is seen as the most fast paced competitive fighting game and the whole reason it got that title was an exploit on the games mechanics so you cant say that a bug or an exploit will make a game look bad Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/75196-why-the-lantern-bug-didnt-need-to-get-fixed/#findComment-876051 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty_Mentos Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 omg more words D: Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/75196-why-the-lantern-bug-didnt-need-to-get-fixed/#findComment-876052 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DVGMedia Posted March 1, 2017 Author Share Posted March 1, 2017 i think its because of the word "bug" why everyone thinks of this thing being so bad that it must be purged Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/75196-why-the-lantern-bug-didnt-need-to-get-fixed/#findComment-876062 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auth Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 7 minutes ago, EsaiXD said: its part of the game though so it should be open to usage though each has their pros and cons miner hat you have the mobility but restrict a headgear so you cant wear head armor or head warming items. moggles have the same restrictions except that you can see further than the light radius of the minerhat with the lantern tech you can opt to have special headgear with your hand item but cant use any of your inventory so i think its actually a balanced bug that should stay in and to people who say that bugs make the game look bad take a look at melee which is seen as the most fast paced competitive fighting game and the whole reason it got that title was an exploit on the games mechanics so you cant say that a bug or an exploit will make a game look bad That's like saying if another bug happened that let you use 3 dark swords at once it should be kept in the game because it once existed in the first place. Or if there was some exploit that gave you 800 health or instareveal the map on a server you don't host it should be open to usage on any random server you join just because it's there. Or that you should be able to have admin permissions on any server you join. Honestly, what is that logic? It's still letting you use two tools at once, which is unintended behavior. If it was intended there would be some "light slot" or something. I've never heard of it before, so therefore you're lying. Bugs and exploits do make games look bad. Just because an unintended problem becomes a feature doesn't mean it works in all games. Rocket jumping in TF2 - Started out unintended, but was ultimately balanced enough to keep in. Fine. The developers found this themselves, and ultimately decided to use it. Using aimbot in tf2 because the code can be manipulated for clients. Not ok, as deemed by the developers and others. Klei has fixed this issue because it is exactly that. An issue. That means they didn't want it in there in the first place. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/75196-why-the-lantern-bug-didnt-need-to-get-fixed/#findComment-876080 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty_Mentos Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 omg more words D: Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/75196-why-the-lantern-bug-didnt-need-to-get-fixed/#findComment-876081 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DVGMedia Posted March 1, 2017 Author Share Posted March 1, 2017 why do things have to be intended to be part of a game? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/75196-why-the-lantern-bug-didnt-need-to-get-fixed/#findComment-876084 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DVGMedia Posted March 1, 2017 Author Share Posted March 1, 2017 6 minutes ago, Weirdobob said: That's like saying if another bug happened that let you use 3 dark swords at once it should be kept in the game because it once existed in the first place. Or if there was some exploit that gave you 800 health or instareveal the map on a server you don't host it should be open to usage on any random server you join just because it's there. Or that you should be able to have admin permissions on any server you join. Honestly, what is that logic? the examples you gave are game breaking the one im trying to defend is just a simple change in playstyle that allows for more variety alot of the examples you provide is completely extraneous to what im trying to show yes there are some things that can be game breaking that should be patched out but this minor thing isnt 1 of them Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/75196-why-the-lantern-bug-didnt-need-to-get-fixed/#findComment-876085 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auth Posted March 1, 2017 Share Posted March 1, 2017 8 minutes ago, EsaiXD said: the examples you gave are game breaking the one im trying to defend is just a simple change in playstyle that allows for more variety alot of the examples you provide is completely extraneous to what im trying to show yes there are some things that can be game breaking that should be patched out but this minor thing isnt 1 of them To be honest I'm blowing it out of proportion because you're blowing it out of proportion, treating it like its some pro alternate playstyle like going demoknight instead of demoman and pulling in completely irrelevant things like whatever the hey now "melee" is. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/75196-why-the-lantern-bug-didnt-need-to-get-fixed/#findComment-876096 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DVGMedia Posted March 1, 2017 Author Share Posted March 1, 2017 8 minutes ago, Weirdobob said: To be honest I'm blowing it out of proportion because you're blowing it out of proportion, treating it like its some pro alternate playstyle like going demoknight instead of demoman and pulling in completely irrelevant things like whatever the hey now "melee" is. everything has a pro and con is what im saying yeah it may not be an intended feature but why not have it as such since seeing it as a bug is the foulest thing to do to a mechanic why dont we instead push for it to be implemented maybe not as it was but as a new? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/75196-why-the-lantern-bug-didnt-need-to-get-fixed/#findComment-876103 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Developer ImDaMisterL Posted March 1, 2017 Developer Share Posted March 1, 2017 15 minutes ago, EsaiXD said: why dont we instead push for it to be implemented Because it's an unintended exploit that Klei deliberately removed. Klei didn't remove it because someone said "it's a bug" but because they recognized it as a bug. Developers know what they intend to do with their code and what they don't intend to. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/75196-why-the-lantern-bug-didnt-need-to-get-fixed/#findComment-876127 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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